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On July 24 2013 12:33 FirmTofu wrote:
Yeah, TAA and I totally planned his idiotic claim together. I orchestrated it to make both of us look like scum so that we could be lynched in quick succession. What a great fucking idea! Actually, that's exactly what it seems like.On July 24 2013 07:52 FirmTofu wrote:
I'm not going to make a quoted point-by-point post about cDg because my scumread is not as strong as the other two.
His conversation with Oats made me think he was scummy because of how irrational his approach was. I still don't understand why you would check yourself for sanity when it barely tells you anything. You should be checking others, not yourself. You can figure out whether you're sane based on their flips and you get a plethora of useful information.
While I think getmoript may be lying about his claim, I think he is more likely to be a VT pushing a strong scum read in TAA.
I cannot think of a single good reason why cDg would claim as town given a getmoript claim unless he started to speculate upon roles.
That being said, I would much prefer to lynch jrkirby or TG today. I think we should hold of on lynching potential blues unless we are certain that one of them is scum.
That last line. Explain what you meant by potential blues? Considering TAA had yet to claim @ that point. Is there some reason you knew that TAA was potentially blue?
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On July 24 2013 13:34 FirmTofu wrote:
Thus, we can conclude that TAA's post is bad, but not 100% alignment indicative. It's bad play, sure, but I don't think you can say that it implicates him beyond reasonable doubt. What implicates him is the redcheck itself. Like I've had getmoript in my scum column most of the game. But once the cop claim happens, that's it. There's like no good reason scum fakes that (unless like I said getmoript and oats are both scum which is super unlikely).
On July 24 2013 13:17 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 12:54 JarJarDrinks wrote:On July 24 2013 12:33 FirmTofu wrote:
Yeah, TAA and I totally planned his idiotic claim together. I orchestrated it to make both of us look like scum so that we could be lynched in quick succession. What a great fucking idea! Actually, that's exactly what it seems like. On July 24 2013 07:52 FirmTofu wrote:
I'm not going to make a quoted point-by-point post about cDg because my scumread is not as strong as the other two.
His conversation with Oats made me think he was scummy because of how irrational his approach was. I still don't understand why you would check yourself for sanity when it barely tells you anything. You should be checking others, not yourself. You can figure out whether you're sane based on their flips and you get a plethora of useful information.
While I think getmoript may be lying about his claim, I think he is more likely to be a VT pushing a strong scum read in TAA.
I cannot think of a single good reason why cDg would claim as town given a getmoript claim unless he started to speculate upon roles.
That being said, I would much prefer to lynch jrkirby or TG today. I think we should hold of on lynching potential blues unless we are certain that one of them is scum.
That last line. Explain what you meant by potential blues? Considering TAA had yet to claim @ that point. Is there some reason you knew that TAA was potentially blue? No, I didn't know TAA was potentially blue. TAA was null-scum at that time, but not in my top 3 scumreads(Close, but not quite there). When he claimed blue, specifically roleblocker, I knew he had to be axed.
You said "we should hold of on lynching potential blues" when trying to talk people out of voting TAA even though we had no reason to think he was blue @ the time. Tell me how this isn't a slip.
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On July 24 2013 13:55 Oatsmaster wrote:Does this look fucking weird just to me? That's exactly what I've been saying. Thread sentiment after getmoripts claim was obviously Lynch TAA. Tofu says "I think we should hold of on lynching potential blues". He seems to have had foreknowledge that TAA was gonna claim.
I say scumslip.
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On July 24 2013 14:12 getmoript wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 14:01 JarJarDrinks wrote:On July 24 2013 13:55 Oatsmaster wrote: Remember, TAA hadn't claimed yet, so I didn't know he was blue. Does this look fucking weird just to me? That's exactly what I've been saying. Thread sentiment after getmoripts claim was obviously Lynch TAA. Tofu says "I think we should hold of on lynching potential blues". He seems to have had foreknowledge that TAA was gonna claim. I say scumslip. When I read it initially after your comment on it, I thought he was talking about Corazan. I was rather surprised by his first response to your questions. I can see it from both sides and it's possible it is a slip, but I don't think it's as damning as you make it out to be. It's not something I wouild lynch based on solely. But I've thought he was scum for a while for reasons already stated. Add to that his reaction to your claim and I think you can easily put him in the red column whether that was a slip or not.
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On July 24 2013 22:23 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 22:21 FiveTouch wrote:
It literally causes no chaos, other than the chaos you're making it create.
It's a random, stupid throwaway comment that can be ignored, and then it's just one more silly post to ignore.
And it doesn't show those things at all. It only shows those things if he's genuinely serious and pursues it, of which there is no evidence. Come on Cora, you're pulling a TAA from Day 1. Well you guys have been talking about lynching Oats all game, how come you haven't done it yet? Seriously, the reason that we are in this situation is because everyone talks so much about who they are going to vote for, yet they don't do it. I'm not going to hipster vote because it's majority lynch. I'm down with lynching TAA now, and then Oats later. Unless someone wants to reverse that order. On July 24 2013 22:27 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 22:25 FiveTouch wrote:
Because we don't think he's mafia anymore.
The reason we're in this situation is that almost the whole town lurked for Day 1, not because people talked too much about who they were going to vote for.
Why anyone would even consider lynching Oats today is completely beyond me. So we are voting TAA, thats what it looks like. And even if so, what are we going to do for the next 18 or so hours? Twiddle our thumbs?
Yeah, I don't think I read Oats as too scummy anymore. And like it doesn't even matter if I did think he was scummy. TAA has to be the lynch today. It sucks that our decision is already made, but we can still talk about other stuff. Especially since we have a vig that can take a shot tonight (and probably should since he's likely dead either way).
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On July 24 2013 22:40 FiveTouch wrote:
Got pretty high hopes for TAA actually being the scum roleblocker and our vigi shot going through ^_^ I dont think scum has a roleblocker.
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On July 24 2013 22:42 FiveTouch wrote:
I think scum are very likely to have a roleblocker. I thought we pretty much established that scum blocking TG made no sense and had to be town. The fact that there was only one roleblock (unless someone hasn't spoke up) makes it very unlikely that there's a scum roleblocker.
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On July 24 2013 22:45 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 22:41 JarJarDrinks wrote:On July 24 2013 22:40 FiveTouch wrote:
Got pretty high hopes for TAA actually being the scum roleblocker and our vigi shot going through ^_^ I dont think scum has a roleblocker. So you think tangang was lieing or blocked by town? Blocked by town. I have very little doubt that's what happened.
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On July 24 2013 22:48 FiveTouch wrote:
Jarjar, are you the town roleblocker? Lol, do u think I'd make it so obvious that I knew that town blocked TG? It's just the only thing that logically makes sense.
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On July 24 2013 23:02 Oatsmaster wrote:
FT is the town RB. So whoever he's blocked has kept it to himself?
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On July 25 2013 08:34 FiveTouch wrote:
That's not even ironic >.> Either is rain on your wedding day. Or anything else about the song. Except the title.
Next kill should be Tofu IMO. Dude had some of the worst posts of the thread yesterday, including what I'm pretty sure was a scumslip. And he was pretty scummy before that. Not sure why he isn't @ the top of peoples lists.
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On July 25 2013 15:12 getmoript wrote:
Guess that means we might be dead tonight, eh other head? I would think you'd have expected this regardless. Kill U , RB the vig makes sense. Doesn't matter now I guess. Maybe we have a medic.
On July 25 2013 15:40 getmoript wrote:We'd better sign our shit or this is going to get confusing. Are you thinking newbie/afk scumteam? JJD: I'm really bad at reading him. And that's even considering I've played scum with him. Posts like this: Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 06:30 JarJarDrinks wrote:
##unvote
##vote TAA
Part of me thinks this a way for getmoript to save oats but I'll trade 1 for 2. Like....so unbelievably ridiculous. Too ridiculous to be scum in my opinion. I'm pretty sure scum would be a little more wary of attacking us when we were the towniest motherfuckers in thread all game. No real point in arguing this since you're confirmed town now but I don't think anyone would have labled you the "towniest motherfuckers" before your claim.
On July 25 2013 15:44 getmoript wrote:
lol JJD has attacked like everybody throughout the game yeah, that's just completely untrue
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On July 25 2013 17:41 FiveTouch wrote:
No scum roleblocker eh JJD? Still wrapping my head around it. I guess best explaination is TG is town and mafia is retarded.
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On July 25 2013 21:45 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Tofu Though I guess I'm in the minority here. I don't like a TG shot. Gonna reread cora and jkirby.
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On July 25 2013 21:52 Onegu wrote:
Ive played 3 games with tofu and all of them were town though, have you played with him as scum? pretty sure this is my first game w/ him.
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On July 25 2013 22:29 FiveTouch wrote:
Well, there we go then. There exists the possibility that Firm is playing a really really stupid mafia game and defended a scummy redcheck when the rest of the town wanted to lynch him, but I wouldn't bet on it, would you? I think he freaked out about the redcheck and didn't really think through just how inevitable the lynch was. And as has been stated: He originally said "Let's not lynch potential blues" even though TAA wasn't a potential blue yet. Then as soon as TAA becomes a potential blue, he's like "OMG scumz". By then he probably realized there was no saving him.
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On July 25 2013 22:59 FiveTouch wrote:
There's no evidence that Firm freaked out about anything. Freak out might not be the best term. But I think he totally went into "gotta save my scumbuddy" mode.
Here's FirmTofus first post acknowledging the redclaim
On July 24 2013 07:16 FirmTofu wrote:
Wait, so let me get this straight. getmoript and Corazon are both claiming cop?
Are people told whether they are naive/paranoid/sane/insane when they receive their roles?
How useful is a cop's accusation when we cannot trust their sanity?
I don't think lynching TAA based solely on getmoript's claim is the best course of action. If we think TAA is scummy AND we have getmoript's claim to back it up, I don't mind lynching him.
Back to scumhunting. I'm going to ignore the cop claims for now because in NW, I tried to setup speculate and that fucked me over. I don't want to simply assume that two cops can't exist.
My scumreads are TG, jrkirby, and TAA.
TG claimed he was roleblocked. This is not alignment indicative. He was scummy yesterday and nothing has changed to sway my opinion in the other direction.
I will talk more about jrkirby and TAA in a few additional posts.
- He makes sure to make the point about not being able to trust a cop claim because of sanity.
- He then says we shouldn't lynch based only on the claim, we should only lynch if we think TAA is scummy also.
- He then lists his scumreads and TAA is one of them
So doesn't that mean we should lynch TAA? He's obviously scummy since he's one of his scumreads and we have getmoript's claim to back it up.
On July 25 2013 23:07 TanGeng wrote:
I'm still convinced that Tofu was talking about Corazon when mentioning blues. Notice who he said his scumreads were in the post above. You really think he was talking about someone else when he wrote this?On July 24 2013 07:52 FirmTofu wrote:
That being said, I would much prefer to lynch jrkirby or TG today. I think we should hold of on lynching potential blues unless we are certain that one of them is scum.
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On July 25 2013 23:48 TanGeng wrote:
I think TAA was supposed to be Corazon...
Tofu corrects it later. Because Getmoript jumped on Tofu immediately for that. See if you can follow the thread and find it. Oh I missed this.
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Point taken. But like, the town sentiment @ the time was that TAA was getting lynched so it just felt like he was saying that we should lynch elsewhere. But yeah, it does make sense that he was just explaining why he didn't want to vote Corazon. That part of my case doesn't look so good now I admit.
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