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Hey guys.
By the end of Day 1 I thought both super and Kirby were probably town and wanted to lynch one because nobody wanted to lynch Gotard. Just because I think they might be town doesn't mean they shouldn't be lynched. I don't know their alignment, nor does any other townie. I'd have preferred to lynch somebody else but even with the Tribunal shit going down it didn't look like It'd happen.
So, I gave very little shits who was lynched. It's day 1. Tomorrow shit gets real.
If I were scum I'd know the alignments of both these guys and have a strong stance and just never really waver from it. Hz, I'm blatantly thinking about the game and trying to figure out who was town/scum. I thought Kirby was prolly town, yes, but i don't know he's town. Super was scummier objectively imo, but it seemed a lot like he just played 'follow the cop' a lot on epicmafia or something. I jumped around terribly. It doesn't mean I'm mafia -- it means I don't know wtf anyone is in this game.
It would have been hell of a lot less suspicious to just jump on either candidate (provided super is town as well) and just sit there.
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Thanks Rainbows. I never accused you of being mafia btw, as the night phase is not really the time to make strong accusations.
I can see that your mind was jumping around (the quotes I posted make that obvious), but my concern is that you did not care who gets lynched. My mind was jumping around too, and I was not willing to let a no lynch happen, but it was still important to me that we lynch the person who is most likely to flip scum.
We were in different positions though as I had a wagon on my read, and we are probably both new to the majority vote system. I can see how you would do that from a town perspective. I just do not like it when people do not care who gets lynched (due to prior experience).
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On July 15 2013 18:50 Gotard wrote:Hi Onegu. Nice to see ya! Chromatically - For me he looks more like a town that mafia. He tends to put himself in a headlights by creating wagons and defending them really strongly with no fear (but sometimes he's tunneling himself like when he was pressuring Stim). In 'The Super Case' he brought good points and made some more room for discussion. Would he make such a strong defense to save his scum buddy? I don't thing so because after Super flipping scum he would be in a big trouble. Pushing lynch isn't scummy if you have good points and your target barely shows and signs of life innocence. Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 15:57 Onegu wrote:
Scumteam
Hurricane
Koshi
Rainbow/gotard
I am really confidant in my hurricane read btw, he made sure he led the council and could make sure we never got off a town/town bandwagon. Alot of his posts just seem like he wants town cred, unlike last game. Hurricane ensured lynch that day. Everyone agreed that both of them are super scummy. I think leadership like that is useful when you need majority to lynch. His posts are super pro town in general and leading town like that even in wrong direction isn't scummy to me. Koshi - reading comprehension... I will address him later after reading his filter.
~catching up since last night before I leave again~
This really sums up my thoughts on both Chrom and Hurricane.
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On July 16 2013 01:57 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
I thought it was valuable for Town to control the lynch. I wanted to undermine the mafia's ability to switch votes at the last second.
That's fine, but also very risky on day 1. I had town reads on Umasi and Rainbows too, but I did not trust them.
It might be worth discussing how to avoid this in future. For example, perhaps we could ask everyone to lock in their votes an hour before deadline, and no one is allowed to change as long as there is a majority. If there is not a majority then it gives us say 45 minutes to discuss it, and then we lock in a lynch with 15 minutes to go.
Thoughts?
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On July 16 2013 04:45 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2013 01:57 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
I thought it was valuable for Town to control the lynch. I wanted to undermine the mafia's ability to switch votes at the last second.
That's fine, but also very risky on day 1. I had town reads on Umasi and Rainbows too, but I did not trust them. It might be worth discussing how to avoid this in future. For example, perhaps we could ask everyone to lock in their votes an hour before deadline, and no one is allowed to change as long as there is a majority. If there is not a majority then it gives us say 45 minutes to discuss it, and then we lock in a lynch with 15 minutes to go. Thoughts?
This would be the ideal solution. I didn't see a majority at the time of the Tribunal's formation, so I decided to make a play to ensure there was a lynch. Your proposal is a better option.
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Okay, here's what I've got. I can't be here at deadline so I'm going to post it now.
Scum are in the group of Xzav, Rainbows, Nightcat, Gotard, Super. Everyone else is too town.
Koshi is town. He's posting too much and drawing too much attention to be mafia. I thought it was weird how he changed from "we should follow others" to a STRONG Super read, but if you look at his filter it feels very natural. He gradually moves and becomes more and more entrenched as time goes along, which is pretty town. Scum would be much more likely to just say "I think Super is scum" and then stay on his lynch and push it a little. There's no reason to do this and draw all that attention as scum when you could easily just artificially put a vote on Super.
There's also a little bit of "too mental to be mafia" with his self vote stunt. Martyring stuff like that isn't necessarily townie, but it would just be a REALLY bold move as mafia.
His pressure on me before and after the lynch, and his general actions after the lynch are townie. He's been hardcore pushing his read on me, and what he's saying makes sense from a town POV (for the most part). He's mostly tunneling me, which would be possible to fake as scum, but he's a central figure in the discussion now and it doesn't seem like scum at all.
Super still feels townieish to me. It's mostly a gut read, but his posting feels open and honest to me. He's given some reads at this point that feel natural to me. I don't think that scum would randomly start talking about the cop like he did. I also think that yesterday was town-town wagons because of the general amount of apathy and unjustified voting that went around.
Xzavier just hasn't done anything to make me feel that he's town. I hate that he gave a really long list of reads and didn't actually come to any conclusions on whether people were town or not, the entire purpose of a list of reads. The rest of his posting actually looks fine to me though. He's mostly here by process of elimination.
Rainbows' big problem is his apathy about the lynch. hz's already pointed it out, but it makes no sense from a town perspective. First, he posts this:
On July 15 2013 06:24 Rainbows wrote:
Okay so here's my thing.
Kirby is town. His list post and recent activity feels townie.
Super might be scum. Lynch him. But I think both might be town here.
If I'm right I believe Koshi/Gotard/plus one lurker are scumteam.
Id love to explain but again, working atm. Im trying to shoot off what im thinking as we go but it sucks i cant quote here. Will probably be voting super again later.
"Both might be town, but Super is scummier."
Then this:
On July 15 2013 07:32 Rainbows wrote:
I feel as if we should lynch both days 1 and 2.
This doesn't make sense with what he just said at all.
He then sheeps onto the Kirby wagon with no resistance at all. He doesn't even protest at all.
On July 16 2013 03:58 Rainbows wrote:
Hey guys.
By the end of Day 1 I thought both super and Kirby were probably town and wanted to lynch one because nobody wanted to lynch Gotard. Just because I think they might be town doesn't mean they shouldn't be lynched. I don't know their alignment, nor does any other townie. I'd have preferred to lynch somebody else but even with the Tribunal shit going down it didn't look like It'd happen.
So, I gave very little shits who was lynched. It's day 1. Tomorrow shit gets real.
If I were scum I'd know the alignments of both these guys and have a strong stance and just never really waver from it. Hz, I'm blatantly thinking about the game and trying to figure out who was town/scum. I thought Kirby was prolly town, yes, but i don't know he's town. Super was scummier objectively imo, but it seemed a lot like he just played 'follow the cop' a lot on epicmafia or something. I jumped around terribly. It doesn't mean I'm mafia -- it means I don't know wtf anyone is in this game.
It would have been hell of a lot less suspicious to just jump on either candidate (provided super is town as well) and just sit there.
It is possible that it comes from town, yes, but that doesn't remove the scumminess of it. If he thought that Kirby had a better chance of flipping town, I would expect ANY townie to give at least minimal resistance. No resistance was given at all.
Also, where on earth did this attitude go?
On July 13 2013 07:29 Rainbows wrote:
I demolished a game as scum and troll claimed cop and ppl still believed me. my first town game i called out scum d1 ezpz. Last game i had 2 of 3 scum on my list of 3, but nobody believed me.
thats my history.
He went from "calling out scum d1 ez" to "I gave very little shits who was lynched, it's day 1, I don't know wtf anyone is in this game" when he was pressured about it.
Gotard has already been talked about a lot. His problem is that he gives out WAY to many townreads and, more importantly, defends too many people.
For example, the Stim thing. He first posts this about Stim:
2) StiMaDDict - bad town. It would be too easy if he's mafia.
But then when I talk to him about it, here's what he says:
On July 13 2013 20:51 Gotard wrote:
Because it's obvious that he's mad that you think that he's mafia. I don't see any reasoning behind his posts except for being mad. Why would he write posts like that if he's mafia?
On July 13 2013 21:35 Gotard wrote:
But there was no reason for him to get mad if he's mafia.
On July 13 2013 22:41 Gotard wrote:
Yeah he looks bad or i should say useless for town. But you need to ask yourself "What would he gain with posts like that as mafia?". Bad town not mafia.
On July 13 2013 22:52 Gotard wrote:
So what he need to do to prove himself innocence? You are tunneling him too hard. You need to see the difference between someone being bad and scummy. I don't see any reason to rage like that if you are mafia.
Why didn't he mention any of this in his original post? Why is he so confident that Stim is town if his reason is that "It would be too easy if he's mafia"? This whole time, I was explaining why it would be beneficial for Stim to ragequit, be he was ADAMANT that Stim was town. He was extremely, unusually confident in this townread for no reason.
He also defended me and Umasi from Koshi a little for no reason. He then sheeped onto Kirby with a little justification, and then sailed through the lynch.
On July 16 2013 02:44 Gotard wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 07:46 Koshi wrote:On July 15 2013 07:43 Chromatically wrote:
I would consolidate if it is literally the only way to avoid a no lynch. THIS IS BULLSHIT TOWN WE ARE GOING TO GET SO MUCH INFO WHEN WE LYNCH THERE ARE ONLY 3 FUCKING SCUMS. A MISSLYNCH IS NOT BAD. ARE YOU PEOPLE KIDDING ME? WE ALL AGREED THAT LYNCHING WAS GOOD. AND NOW CHROM WANTS TO PROTECT SUPER SO MADLY THAT A NO LYNHC IS OK? WE AGREE THAT THEY BOTH LOOK SCUM. FUCK THIS Getting mad after misreading. Emotional plays like that indicates bad town to me. Unless he wants to fake being mad after I defended Stim.
His case on Koshi called him "bad town" (...) instead of mafia, so why post it at all? Town is looking to find mafia. If he's going to case Koshi without actually thinking he's mafia, then he's just posting for the sake of posting - aka scum.
Nightcat is who I'd really like to lynch tomorrow. His posting is essentially all fluff. Look at this post for example:
On July 14 2013 07:30 Nightcat99 wrote:
Just want to give an update on my situation, I am quiet busy today but i will catch up on everything before the first day ends. Since I will be home on Sunday about 2 pm est as long as the plane doesn't screw me over again.
I would like to vote after I reread everything again that,s nt on my tiny phone screen but as far as stim's situation , I feel that he's either a bad mafia or a angry townie , so either way not worth a vote now because now everyone will put an watchful eye on him.
This is pretty much the only read he's given apart from just sheeping the wagons (and a random town read), but it says literally nothing at all. He comes in a while after Stim has stopped being a topic of discussion and gives his thoughts as "he's either town or mafia" (like everyone else thought at that time). And then doesn't vote him of course because no one else is.
He randomly votes Kirby with no explanation, saying he'll explain later, but then he switches onto Super with literally NO explanation at all.
On July 15 2013 07:54 Nightcat99 wrote:
hi guys i just got back home and i am reading through the filters for jrkiby and super, i might have mis judge jirkiby plus it seems like he wont get enough vote to be lynch, since i am a supporter of lynch one person a day i am going to jump on the super wagon for now but i will read through everything first and i will difently till the end of the voting period, so i will be able to read any message from now.
I also wanted to apoloygize for my absents, i really dont go on trips that often and from the one this game was looking, i wasnt expecting it to start before i come back, but i will be here everyday from now one and be much more active.
#unvote jrkirby
#vote: superfluous
He doesn't even say that one of the cases convinced him, it's just that "I might have misjudged Kirby" with no reasoning why. The votes were 5-4 at the time in favor of Super, so the "consolidation" reason is quite obviously made up.
He later sheeps the "tribunal" in switching back to Kirby, but offers no resistance at all. Despite wanting to lynch Super for unknown reasons, he doesn't try to convince anyone to vote him.
What really tipped me off to him was what he posted right before the night post came up. Sadly, it was edited out, but here's essentially what it said:
We should've lynched Kirby day 2 instead.
Why on EARTH wouldn't you post that BEFORE the deadline instead? If you honestly think that, you should try to get people to switch off of Kirby.
The way he posted it, however, the only explanation is that he's trying to distance himself from the lynch by showing that he wasn't really in support of it.
On July 15 2013 09:26 Nightcat99 wrote:
Superfluous (4): hzlank, Koshi, Xzavier, jrkirby
jrkirby (7): StiMaDDict, Chromatically, Gotard, Hurricane Sponge, umasi, Rainbows, nightcat99
Xzavier (1): Superfluous
first of all, theres got to be some scum that jump on the jrkirby wagon because he was super helpful and its a good move to have him removed. super's vote on xzavier made no sense that wouldn't change anything, stim's last mintue vote.. i dotn even know whos playing but if it was stim then that last minute post seemed a bit mroe townie then scum. i dont feel like hurricane and umasi is scum but gotard and chrom is someone we shall look at . and about the votes that stayed on super.
those are more likely to be townie then not.
If he was super helpful, why wouldn't you resist his lynch? Why wouldn't you talk about this before the lynch actually occured?
More importantly, he doesn't even have a reason why he was "super helpful" apart from the fact that he was "active". I don't know about you, but I don't consider people to be "super helpful" if they're active right before they get lynched. This just reads like more distancing: "Kirby was SUPER helpful, I didn't REALLY support his lynch".
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I won't be back at a computer until after deadline, so I can't write anything big.
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Reminder: Night 1 ends in ~ 4 hours. Please remember to submit all night actions to both Blazinghand and me before the deadline.
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I did not catch anything that was edited out. Can anyone else remember and confirm what was in Nightcat's edited post?
I am not saying that Chrom is lying, just that for all I know he might of misinterpreted it. If Chrom's interpretation is accurate then I can see why it was edited.
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We're lynching Gotard tomorrow btw guise.
Chrom, your case on me is bad. It boils down to me lynching the guy you wanted, and not really caring. Nobody wanted to lynch Gotard so I lynched the other dude. I can't really oppose the lynch when all I can do is watch and write little snippets from my phone at work.
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On July 16 2013 05:23 Rainbows wrote:
We're lynching Gotard tomorrow btw guise.
Chrom, your case on me is bad. It boils down to me lynching the guy you wanted, and not really caring. Nobody wanted to lynch Gotard so I lynched the other dude. I can't really oppose the lynch when all I can do is watch and write little snippets from my phone at work.
Wait until the deadline before posting any sort of big case, though. We do not want the scum to see our reactions to proposed day 2 lynches until after the night actions are in.
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my edit post was something about i dont feel kirby was the best target and gg to him and hope to see him next game , dont remember exactly but nothing important
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nm i dont think you want to heard it from me lol
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On July 16 2013 05:33 Nightcat99 wrote:
my edit post was something about i dont feel kirby was the best target and gg to him and hope to see him next game , dont remember exactly but nothing important
Did you mention lynching Kirby day 2?
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ok i guess i will explained a bit , first off the edited post was more of a good bye post to kirby, cause due to his last sec respond, i had a uneasy feeling that he might not be the best choice but it was way too late.
as far as why my respond to stim was late, that cause i was doing a lot of catching up during the weekend and didnt get a chance to respond after it was way off topic. so that was essentially my fault and i do apologize for that. As far as voting on kirby , i would be lieing if i say that one of the reason that i voted was because i want to ensure a lynch first day and he was the most likely target and since i was a bit busy before i just jumped on the wagon.
Reason that i wanted to switch was one because i reread the post after i got home and i feel like the gut feeling i got from kirby gone away and consider theres only two lynchable target super's suggestion of no lynch is an option seems more fishy to me then anything.
I did switch again at the end because of a bit of pressure but i did stated that i dont feel like kirby was the best option way before that although i must admit that i dont have much of a solid read on either.
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On July 16 2013 05:48 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2013 05:33 Nightcat99 wrote:
my edit post was something about i dont feel kirby was the best target and gg to him and hope to see him next game , dont remember exactly but nothing important Did you mention lynching Kirby day 2?
i might have said i feel like he would be a better target for day 2 depending on how super turn out but because of the timing i was posting its really just meant to be a good bye post.
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To be honest through , i am super confused on how you guys get so much info on the first day , if its because about pregame meta that you are on, i didnt read too much into it, because i dont feel like rereading a whole entire other game and since i wasnt in those games, listen to your opinion and not drawing my own seem like a unsensible decision.
I was really expecting the game to pick up after a few days where there are a few people lynched at random and a feel NK to be able to get any real reads.
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On July 16 2013 06:00 Nightcat99 wrote:
as far as why my respond to stim was late, that cause i was doing a lot of catching up during the weekend and didnt get a chance to respond after it was way off topic. so that was essentially my fault and i do apologize for that. As far as voting on kirby , i would be lieing if i say that one of the reason that i voted was because i want to ensure a lynch first day and he was the most likely target and since i was a bit busy before i just jumped on the wagon.
EBWOP
What i meant to say is , i would be lieing if say that one of the reasont hat i voted wasn't
lol
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On July 16 2013 06:07 Nightcat99 wrote:
To be honest through , i am super confused on how you guys get so much info on the first day
I was like that in my first game too. Once you play a little more then you will understand.
On July 16 2013 06:02 Nightcat99 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2013 05:48 hzflank wrote:On July 16 2013 05:33 Nightcat99 wrote:
my edit post was something about i dont feel kirby was the best target and gg to him and hope to see him next game , dont remember exactly but nothing important Did you mention lynching Kirby day 2? i might have said i feel like he would be a better target for day 2 depending on how super turn out but because of the timing i was posting its really just meant to be a good bye post.
Voting for Kirby to secure a lynch is understandable.
It is not understandable to want to lynch Kirby day 2, if the only reason that you wanted to lynch him day 1 was to secure the lynch.
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I am going to bed now.
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