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Nightcat99
Profile Joined December 2010
United States239 Posts
July 15 2013 21:17 GMT
#1301
[/QUOTE]

Voting for Kirby to secure a lynch is understandable.

It is not understandable to want to lynch Kirby day 2, if the only reason that you wanted to lynch him day 1 was to secure the lynch.[/QUOTE]

now that i think about it , i guess i was being narrow minded . i must be thinking well if hes not the best target day 1 and i dont have any target for day 2 then hes the day 2 target, but i guess that logic is flauted.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
July 15 2013 21:18 GMT
#1302
Rainbows: You could've at least posted "we should be lynching Super" a few times or something. The whole "tribunal" was totally unsure and pretty much randomly decided, there was no reason not to at least try to move them.

But if not you, who do you think is the scummiest besides Gotard?

Nightcat99
Profile Joined December 2010
United States239 Posts
July 15 2013 21:19 GMT
#1303
sorry for that misuse of quotation , but i guess you guys know what i was quoting i will use preview from now on. lol
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
July 15 2013 21:21 GMT
#1304
I still don't buy voting to ensure a lynch when the votes are 5-4. The lynch was totally in flux at that point.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 15 2013 21:27 GMT
#1305
On July 16 2013 02:44 Koshi wrote:
When I said Super scummy I am quoting somebody that said that I said that Umasi and Chroma are super scummy, as in really scummy. While I just replied to somebody asking my 2 fav lynches.


That's still inconsistent with wanting to sheep.

On July 16 2013 02:44 Koshi wrote:
For the other thing I would like to refer to my previous post.
You can see in my log that I wasn't really invested yet in this game. You can see that on page 2 of my filter 5 messages in that page I was still pretty not caring about this game. But after the defense of Superfluous by Chroma I got attached for some reason, I wanted to pressure Chroma and the result is the clusterfuck we had yesterday.


So to put it simply: you went from thinking that Kirby was scum to thinking that he was town because Chrom defended Super.

Okay, that's all I wanted to know for now, thanks.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 15 2013 21:33 GMT
#1306
My case on kirby super has always been that kirby was worth saving more than super. There was a post that I made during lynch that was titles "Why we should save kirby over super"

If you compare what Superfluous did with what Xzavier did, or what Kirby defense Kirby case did.

Kirby on Day 2 or Super on Day 2? I wanted Kirby.


The only thing that you can blame me for is being too fast on the Kirby or Super lynch. I was already pushing one of those 2 around 6 hours before deadline? But I thought I was 4 hours at that time.
I had a good night of sleep.
Hurricane Sponge
Profile Joined March 2010
868 Posts
July 15 2013 21:35 GMT
#1307
On July 16 2013 06:33 Koshi wrote:
My case on kirby super has always been that kirby was worth saving more than super. There was a post that I made during lynch that was titles "Why we should save kirby over super"

If you compare what Superfluous did with what Xzavier did, or what Kirby defense Kirby case did.

Kirby on Day 2 or Super on Day 2? I wanted Kirby.


The only thing that you can blame me for is being too fast on the Kirby or Super lynch. I was already pushing one of those 2 around 6 hours before deadline? But I thought I was 4 hours at that time.


I can vouch for the bolded, actually. I also thought the deadline was a couple hours before it actually was until the mod posted otherwise.
Nightcat99
Profile Joined December 2010
United States239 Posts
July 15 2013 21:36 GMT
#1308
On July 16 2013 06:21 Chromatically wrote:
I still don't buy voting to ensure a lynch when the votes are 5-4. The lynch was totally in flux at that point.



i could have swore that i through it was 4 , 6 but regardless, i was on a deadline to vote, i guess i shall apologize again for my lack of commitment for the beginning of the game.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 15 2013 21:36 GMT
#1309
Yeah I forgot about that.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 15 2013 21:37 GMT
#1310
EBWOP: the deadline time mixup, that is.
Xzavier
Profile Joined January 2013
United States393 Posts
July 15 2013 22:03 GMT
#1311
i remember asking people to check the Tribunal after it was just the three of them, what i mostly wanted to know was who tried to join them, nobody came out and directly said as such, but when the list of votes they controlled came out somebody knew was on the list:

Nightcat, a hardcore lurker at the time.

now he was not invited to join this team, i dont recall him asking to either, i just remember him following the wishes of it.(However indirectly as it may be) This blinks scummy on my scumdar.

On July 15 2013 08:19 Nightcat99 wrote:
Show nested quote +
can you make a case defending why you would not vote for JrKirby at this time?

Can you tell me why you think Superfluous is the better lynch target?


no i cannot make a case to not vote for jrkirby because i stated that i want to make sure to have 1 person lynch, when i came back it seem super was the more likely target but since you guys disagree.

##UNVOTE
##VOTE JRKIRBY


being given the option of switching his vote for a simple reason of "since you guys disagree" and not making a case or updating any reads is bad, because its a super easy for scum to hide without drawing any attention to himself. his entire reason for voting is "the person whos more likely to be lynched" thats a roundabout way of describing a scums voting pattern. they want to blend in and not stick out. So throwing his vote early and the person more likely to be lynched is a great way to lurk successfully.

My scumdar says Scum on nightcat right now

______
now im happy with how hurricane reacted to me saying keep your circle small and that further solidifies my stupidly massive town read on him(sponge) (scum would want to try to control as many votes as possible, they would already control the "holes" in there town circle) so the people saying that one of the three is scum, its not him: The points brought up against rainbow has totally shattered the confidence of my town read on him, his actions are nonsensical. I think that Usami is town still as he has played a far more pro-town game and has cut out almost all of his spam (from games iv previously played with him) while i know meta is bad to use for a case in newbie games, but i feel like a scum wouldnt try so hard to improve his town play as they would replicate it. This is another reason for my Umasi read after all of that.

if we are assuming scum tried to get one player onto the "tribunal" they were either succesful and got Rainbows on it, or used it as an excuse for nightcat to sheep his vote.
Mafia :D
Hurricane Sponge
Profile Joined March 2010
868 Posts
July 15 2013 22:12 GMT
#1312
On July 16 2013 07:03 Xzavier wrote:
i remember asking people to check the Tribunal after it was just the three of them, what i mostly wanted to know was who tried to join them, nobody came out and directly said as such, but when the list of votes they controlled came out somebody knew was on the list:

Nightcat, a hardcore lurker at the time.

now he was not invited to join this team, i dont recall him asking to either, i just remember him following the wishes of it.(However indirectly as it may be) This blinks scummy on my scumdar.

Show nested quote +
On July 15 2013 08:19 Nightcat99 wrote:
can you make a case defending why you would not vote for JrKirby at this time?

Can you tell me why you think Superfluous is the better lynch target?


no i cannot make a case to not vote for jrkirby because i stated that i want to make sure to have 1 person lynch, when i came back it seem super was the more likely target but since you guys disagree.

##UNVOTE
##VOTE JRKIRBY


being given the option of switching his vote for a simple reason of "since you guys disagree" and not making a case or updating any reads is bad, because its a super easy for scum to hide without drawing any attention to himself. his entire reason for voting is "the person whos more likely to be lynched" thats a roundabout way of describing a scums voting pattern. they want to blend in and not stick out. So throwing his vote early and the person more likely to be lynched is a great way to lurk successfully.

My scumdar says Scum on nightcat right now

______
now im happy with how hurricane reacted to me saying keep your circle small and that further solidifies my stupidly massive town read on him(sponge) (scum would want to try to control as many votes as possible, they would already control the "holes" in there town circle) so the people saying that one of the three is scum, its not him: The points brought up against rainbow has totally shattered the confidence of my town read on him, his actions are nonsensical. I think that Usami is town still as he has played a far more pro-town game and has cut out almost all of his spam (from games iv previously played with him) while i know meta is bad to use for a case in newbie games, but i feel like a scum wouldnt try so hard to improve his town play as they would replicate it. This is another reason for my Umasi read after all of that.

if we are assuming scum tried to get one player onto the "tribunal" they were either succesful and got Rainbows on it, or used it as an excuse for nightcat to sheep his vote.


Good analysis, but I don't think Scum tried to get one of their own onto the Tribunal. That would only make sense if it were a Scum-Town lynch. I'm leaning toward thinking Super was Town, which makes yesterday a Town-Town lynch. Why would scum care how we shuffled our votes on the titanic? They're just happy a lynch is happening.

To me, apathy yesterday would be a much stronger correlation with scumminess (a point that can be taken in tandem with your analysis).
Xzavier
Profile Joined January 2013
United States393 Posts
July 15 2013 22:19 GMT
#1313
if we assume rainbows is scum, i think" try to join" might be the wrong word, it just kinda "happened" the way it was formed. so ofc he would take his seat on the titanic and ride it wherever you steered. This of course still applies either way (town town or scum town)
Mafia :D
Hurricane Sponge
Profile Joined March 2010
868 Posts
July 15 2013 22:20 GMT
#1314
I'd like to hear people's thoughts on a matter regarding last night's Near-Lynch of Superfluous:

Superfluous' vote stayed on Xzavier all day, even in the face of his own impending lynch. Any sane person looking to save themselves would have put that vote onto Kirby at some point late in the day, whether they were Town or Scum. I've tried to logic it out, but I can't come up with anything that seem plausible.

Can anyone come up with reasons for Town and / or for Scum to behave like this?
Nightcat99
Profile Joined December 2010
United States239 Posts
July 15 2013 22:24 GMT
#1315
it seems like i am getting a lot of heat for my early lurking but i feel that i have explain and apologize for that enough. so i will just do my best from this point on and show my activity level and not make any more rash decision.
Xzavier
Profile Joined January 2013
United States393 Posts
July 15 2013 22:24 GMT
#1316
your gonna hate me saying this, but the tribunal didnt forcefully control the vote as a democracy, it was mostly you at the head with Umasi contributing and rainbow contradicting.

On July 16 2013 07:20 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
I'd like to hear people's thoughts on a matter regarding last night's Near-Lynch of Superfluous:

Superfluous' vote stayed on Xzavier all day, even in the face of his own impending lynch. Any sane person looking to save themselves would have put that vote onto Kirby at some point late in the day, whether they were Town or Scum. I've tried to logic it out, but I can't come up with anything that seem plausible.

Can anyone come up with reasons for Town and / or for Scum to behave like this?



mabye just giving up? but as it played out that doesnt seem to be the case. Mabye it was to avoid looking like scum and panicking to do everythign possible to stay alive, but if that was the case he would have been doing his best to make strong cases against me, but he made a case against another person.

i see no logic.

yeah, i got nothing to.
Mafia :D
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 15 2013 22:25 GMT
#1317
On July 16 2013 07:20 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
I'd like to hear people's thoughts on a matter regarding last night's Near-Lynch of Superfluous:

Superfluous' vote stayed on Xzavier all day, even in the face of his own impending lynch. Any sane person looking to save themselves would have put that vote onto Kirby at some point late in the day, whether they were Town or Scum. I've tried to logic it out, but I can't come up with anything that seem plausible.

Can anyone come up with reasons for Town and / or for Scum to behave like this?


Nope. Unless he knew for sure that they were both town, which is impossible.

I guess the most likely reason would be that he thought a no-lynch was best in the situation. I do not think that is completely alignment indicative, but it does line up with the feeling I am getting that it was town-town.

Super himself has not actually posted since though. He has given me no reason to think that he is town, yet the rest of the thread has made it look more like town-town than town-scum.
Xzavier
Profile Joined January 2013
United States393 Posts
July 15 2013 22:27 GMT
#1318
On July 16 2013 07:24 Nightcat99 wrote:
it seems like i am getting a lot of heat for my early lurking but i feel that i have explain and apologize for that enough. so i will just do my best from this point on and show my activity level and not make any more rash decision.


scumhunting is the core of any town player, They dive filters and try to find scum.

Surviving until the end is how scum win, no matter what play they make being the last one alive is the goal.

Of course town wants to surivive as well, which is what makes this into an actual game, but the more you scumhunt (logically) the more townie you appear to be, For town scumhunting accomplishes both of their goals, so dont think "how can i make this up to you" because the answer is finding scum and winning the game.

Also scum wants to appease the town and basically take the mindset of "how can i correct my mistakes"



dont just be active, scumhunt.
Mafia :D
Hurricane Sponge
Profile Joined March 2010
868 Posts
July 15 2013 22:28 GMT
#1319
I'm demoting Superfluous to 'Lurker' until he proves me otherwise.

Hint: You don't want to be a Lurker.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 15 2013 22:43 GMT
#1320
Do night actions have to be submitted 1 hour before the night ends?

I want to know if I can post freely for an hour, or if I should wait right until the end of the night.
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