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hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 14 2013 22:19 GMT
#801
On July 15 2013 06:47 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2013 05:56 hzflank wrote:
On July 15 2013 05:46 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
I'd be on board for a gotard hammer if someone can make a good case that mafia are on this wagon pushing for a mislynch.


You don't think that Mafia are on that wagon? From my position you are on the scummy wagon.

I am reading Gotard again. I did not think that the cases against him were strong, but on the other hand Gotard's filter after 24 hours was horrible. The problem that I have with reading his more recent posts is that I am struggling to separate an alignment read from a personality read. I think Gotard could very well be scum, but I still think that Super is more likely.

If you look at Chrom's defense of Super, almost every point was that it was bad play rather than scum play. When you make that many consecutive defenses and call them all bad play then alarm bells should be ringing.


Elaborate on this if you can, hz.


Gotard is scummy. Stim is still at least in the top 5 of my scum list. Nightcat is a lurker who just randomly added his vote. Chrom is neutral at best. At best that wagon has 2 scummy, 2 neutral and 2 townie players on it.

The other wagon has Umasi, who I think is townie. Xzavier who is neutral (too much lurking, his posts are not good enough to make up for that that much lurking) and Koshi. Some other people have been calling Koshi scum recently, but I have him as neutral.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
July 14 2013 22:19 GMT
#802
On July 15 2013 07:06 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2013 07:01 Chromatically wrote:
On July 15 2013 06:53 Koshi wrote:
On July 14 2013 04:45 Superfluous wrote:
Maybe I didn't make it clear enough in my posts, but my reasons for Hzflank and xzavier were not only because of association. I am suspicious of Hzflank because he had posts which didn't contribute or add anything (he defended it by saying it's his style of getting discussion started) and because he posted early on then didn't post much afterwards. Xzavier didn't post at all, then showed up and basically agreed with what had been said. He also said I was his biggest scum read but wasn't ready yet to vote for me. It struck me the wrong WAY, and I interpreted it as he was waiting for a reason to lynch me, not that he wasn't going to at all. Again, my interpretation here, but I already listed these reasons in previous posts just want to make it clearer.



On July 14 2013 04:51 Superfluous wrote:
I'm pointing out Sponge as a possibility as he has seemed to be clear from suspicion after jrkirby's early pressure. Xzavier is my biggest scum read atm for the reasons listed. I have a gut feeling and really have not liked the tone in his posts.



Look at ALL THE REASONS SUPER GIVES.


WOOOOWWWWOWWW

You sure suddenly have very strong feelings about Super when he wasn't even a scumread not too long ago. There's no way you honestly believe that those are his only reasons.

I control-F'd "Xzavier" in his filter and here's the reasons I found:
1) Xzav lurked before suddenly jumping on him JEEZ THIS IS SCUMMY
2) Xzav read him as scum SO DID UMASI
3) Xzav hasn't contributed YES HE DID? READ THE ENTIRE XZAV POST WHERE HE ALSO MENTIONS SUPER
4) Xzav lurked and then sheeped thread sentiment by voting for him SHEEPED WHO? UMASI?
5) Gut read CRAZYYYYYYYYY

I personally agree with points 3 and 4, that's why I don't like Xzav. I find it hard to believe that you honestly missed all of these posts.

I capslocked my response.
I quoted all 3 posts of Super about Xzavier
You were able to find 5 points?

I am having a feeling that you are all-in on this Kirby vs Super lynch? Chrom, you are going to look very bad when Super turns red. You realise that?

Why are you suddenly defending Xzavier? We're discussing Super, not Xzavier. It doesn't even matter if his points are good (even though 3 and 4 are), it just matters that they exist and come from a town POV.

Super has 7 posts about Xzav. Here are the two:
On July 14 2013 04:29 Superfluous wrote:
Going back through the posts, I'm a little alarmed at Hurricane Sponge's change of tone.In this post he disagrees with my opinion and says it casts suspicion on me, but doesnt state that I'm a huge scumread or anything. Here I interpreted his post as acknowledging that while we disagree, I was still trying to state my opinion and reasons for having that view. He then says some weird things here though. For instance, he says that he agrees with others' view of me who had semi-defended me, and in the same list puts me as the only scum read. I realize his view may have changed, but it strikes me especially considering in the second post I listed he acknowledged the possibility of a bandwagon on me just because of differing opinions. We also have a mutual disagreement on reads as well. I don't see how hzflank and xzavier have contributed substantially more than me. While knowing everyone's scum reads is good, I don't like it when people show up, say their scum reads, then expect other people to act on them.

As for Stim I think he's more likely bad town then mafia. Then again everyone else is saying the same thing, so could be mafia excuse for not lynching him.

On July 14 2013 04:45 Superfluous wrote:
Maybe I didn't make it clear enough in my posts, but my reasons for Hzflank and xzavier were not only because of association. I am suspicious of Hzflank because he had posts which didn't contribute or add anything (he defended it by saying it's his style of getting discussion started) and because he posted early on then didn't post much afterwards. Xzavier didn't post at all, then showed up and basically agreed with what had been said. He also said I was his biggest scum read but wasn't ready yet to vote for me. It struck me the wrong WAY, and I interpreted it as he was waiting for a reason to lynch me, not that he wasn't going to at all. Again, my interpretation here, but I already listed these reasons in previous posts just want to make it clearer.

Hurricane Sponge
Profile Joined March 2010
868 Posts
July 14 2013 22:20 GMT
#803
On July 15 2013 07:16 Koshi wrote:
Then why is Chroma defending him so hard? He is even making up fucking reasons.

Show nested quote +
1) Xzav lurked before suddenly jumping on him
2) Xzav read him as scum
3) Xzav hasn't contributed
4) Xzav lurked and then sheeped thread sentiment by voting for him
5) Gut read


I am laughing so hard when I read these reasons after reading the super log over and over.


Because he believes very strongly in his read. This is the towniest thing since Lord Patrick Townington went to townville. He doesn't have a self-preservation instinct because he's town, and not under suspicion. He can throw himself around with abandon like this because he has mental freedom scum does not possess.

Attacking Chrom will get you nowhere with me. Focus on the subjects.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
July 14 2013 22:22 GMT
#804
On July 15 2013 07:16 Koshi wrote:
Then why is Chroma defending him so hard? He is even making up fucking reasons.

Show nested quote +
1) Xzav lurked before suddenly jumping on him
2) Xzav read him as scum
3) Xzav hasn't contributed
4) Xzav lurked and then sheeped thread sentiment by voting for him
5) Gut read


I am laughing so hard when I read these reasons after reading the super log over and over.

WHAT

WHAT
Hurricane Sponge
Profile Joined March 2010
868 Posts
July 14 2013 22:22 GMT
#805
On July 15 2013 07:19 hzflank wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2013 06:47 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
On July 15 2013 05:56 hzflank wrote:
On July 15 2013 05:46 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
I'd be on board for a gotard hammer if someone can make a good case that mafia are on this wagon pushing for a mislynch.


You don't think that Mafia are on that wagon? From my position you are on the scummy wagon.

I am reading Gotard again. I did not think that the cases against him were strong, but on the other hand Gotard's filter after 24 hours was horrible. The problem that I have with reading his more recent posts is that I am struggling to separate an alignment read from a personality read. I think Gotard could very well be scum, but I still think that Super is more likely.

If you look at Chrom's defense of Super, almost every point was that it was bad play rather than scum play. When you make that many consecutive defenses and call them all bad play then alarm bells should be ringing.


Elaborate on this if you can, hz.


Gotard is scummy. Stim is still at least in the top 5 of my scum list. Nightcat is a lurker who just randomly added his vote. Chrom is neutral at best. At best that wagon has 2 scummy, 2 neutral and 2 townie players on it.

The other wagon has Umasi, who I think is townie. Xzavier who is neutral (too much lurking, his posts are not good enough to make up for that that much lurking) and Koshi. Some other people have been calling Koshi scum recently, but I have him as neutral.


Mmmmmmmmm nope. I like Chrom's answer better:

On July 15 2013 05:48 Chromatically wrote:
The three scummiest people in the game (Kirby, Koshi, Xzav) are on the Super wagon.

jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 14 2013 22:22 GMT
#806
Yeah, if super flips scum, which I hope, I'd be really suspicious of chrom. But I don't think you should vote him if I die tonight.

Chrom: If I died tonight and flip town, who would you want next? If I hypothetically flipped scum, what then?

Anyone else who wants to answer these questions would be appreciated, But I'd specifically like it from chrom, because he's been pushing my lynch the hardest.
Hurricane Sponge
Profile Joined March 2010
868 Posts
July 14 2013 22:24 GMT
#807
@ Umasi
@ Rainbows


We three control this lynch. I think everyone else is entrenched (via either conviction or inactivity). If you agree, we need to establish some things between the three of us.

First, do we all agree that both of the current wagons are acceptable lynch candidates?
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
July 14 2013 22:25 GMT
#808
On July 15 2013 07:22 jrkirby wrote:
Yeah, if super flips scum, which I hope, I'd be really suspicious of chrom. But I don't think you should vote him if I die tonight.

Chrom: If I died tonight and flip town, who would you want next? If I hypothetically flipped scum, what then?

Anyone else who wants to answer these questions would be appreciated, But I'd specifically like it from chrom, because he's been pushing my lynch the hardest.

I haven't thought about you flipping town, I'd have to see how the voting goes. I don't really want to devote thought to it

I'd like to see how the voting goes if you flip scum too, but Koshi would pretty much be a for sure lynch.

It's not particularly relevant at all now, it can be discussed after the flip.
Rainbows
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany1217 Posts
July 14 2013 22:26 GMT
#809
Acceptable yes. Im really unsure of who to vote but super seems best imo.

Both might be town.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 14 2013 22:26 GMT
#810
On July 15 2013 07:20 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2013 07:16 Koshi wrote:
Then why is Chroma defending him so hard? He is even making up fucking reasons.

1) Xzav lurked before suddenly jumping on him
2) Xzav read him as scum
3) Xzav hasn't contributed
4) Xzav lurked and then sheeped thread sentiment by voting for him
5) Gut read


I am laughing so hard when I read these reasons after reading the super log over and over.


Because he believes very strongly in his read. This is the towniest thing since Lord Patrick Townington went to townville. He doesn't have a self-preservation instinct because he's town, and not under suspicion. He can throw himself around with abandon like this because he has mental freedom scum does not possess.

Attacking Chrom will get you nowhere with me. Focus on the subjects.


Chrom's whole defense of Super was that town should put self-preservation first.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 14 2013 22:27 GMT
#811
EBWOP:

Perhaps not Chrom's whole defense of Super, but a big part of it.

Either way, Chrom does have self-preservation instinct.
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
July 14 2013 22:28 GMT
#812
VOTE COUNT:

hzlank (0):
jrkirby
Superfluous (6): Umasi, hzlank, Koshi, Rainbows, Xzavier, jrkirby
StiMaDDict (0): Chromatically, Umasi, StiMaDDict
jrkirby (4): StiMaDDict, Chromatically, Hurricane Sponge, Gotard, Nightcat99, Rainbows
Gotard (0): Rainbows, jrkirby
Xzavier (1): Superfluous

Voting is mandatory. Only votes in the voting thread will be counted! The voting thread can be found here.

Not voting:
cloud-9

Deadline is in ~ 1,5 hours. With 13 alive it takes 7 votes to lynch!

♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Hurricane Sponge
Profile Joined March 2010
868 Posts
July 14 2013 22:30 GMT
#813
On July 15 2013 07:26 Rainbows wrote:
Acceptable yes. Im really unsure of who to vote but super seems best imo.

Both might be town.


You mentioned that, and that's why this is sort of an unholy alliance. Even though the odds are staggeringly in your favor, I would actually be more inclined to believe they were both scum rather than both town. I feel like I have a decent eye for town-on-town crime, although to be fair, kirby and super haven't been sniping at each other NEARLY enough for my taste.

Regardless, this is good news. Now we just need Umasi to confirm he finds both players scummy, and we can decide this lynch.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
July 14 2013 22:30 GMT
#814
On July 15 2013 07:26 hzflank wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2013 07:20 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
On July 15 2013 07:16 Koshi wrote:
Then why is Chroma defending him so hard? He is even making up fucking reasons.

1) Xzav lurked before suddenly jumping on him
2) Xzav read him as scum
3) Xzav hasn't contributed
4) Xzav lurked and then sheeped thread sentiment by voting for him
5) Gut read


I am laughing so hard when I read these reasons after reading the super log over and over.


Because he believes very strongly in his read. This is the towniest thing since Lord Patrick Townington went to townville. He doesn't have a self-preservation instinct because he's town, and not under suspicion. He can throw himself around with abandon like this because he has mental freedom scum does not possess.

Attacking Chrom will get you nowhere with me. Focus on the subjects.


Chrom's whole defense of Super was that town should put self-preservation first.

You're not this bad.

You were calling Super scum for wanting to stay alive. I am saying that that's not scummy.

It's even in a guide posted at the top of the forum.
Superfluous
Profile Joined December 2011
United States70 Posts
July 14 2013 22:31 GMT
#815
Koshi why are you pushing SO HARD on Chrom for thinking I'm town? he keeps listing his reasons, which you can agree or disagree with, but what you're doing isn't good for town at all. You're just causing divisions and not even asking me much of anything, who's the person that is supposedly mafia in your eyes. You haven't listed any arguments that have convinced Chrom. You even quoted my posts and bolded what you thought were reasons but skipped some reasons as well. Just because I don't make huge-walls of text doesn't mean I didn't list legitimate reasons. For instance you skipped bolding
. It struck me the wrong way, and I interpreted it as he was waiting for a reason to lynch me, not that he wasn't going to at all.
. At this point gut feelings play a major role in reads.
"Popularity Leads to Intimacy"
Rainbows
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany1217 Posts
July 14 2013 22:32 GMT
#816
I feel as if we should lynch both days 1 and 2.
Rainbows
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany1217 Posts
July 14 2013 22:34 GMT
#817
oh hi super give us list reads plx and good ones
Hurricane Sponge
Profile Joined March 2010
868 Posts
July 14 2013 22:34 GMT
#818
@ Superfluous

Please post your reads in the event you are lynched today.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 14 2013 22:36 GMT
#819
On July 15 2013 07:30 Chromatically wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2013 07:26 hzflank wrote:
On July 15 2013 07:20 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
On July 15 2013 07:16 Koshi wrote:
Then why is Chroma defending him so hard? He is even making up fucking reasons.

1) Xzav lurked before suddenly jumping on him
2) Xzav read him as scum
3) Xzav hasn't contributed
4) Xzav lurked and then sheeped thread sentiment by voting for him
5) Gut read


I am laughing so hard when I read these reasons after reading the super log over and over.


Because he believes very strongly in his read. This is the towniest thing since Lord Patrick Townington went to townville. He doesn't have a self-preservation instinct because he's town, and not under suspicion. He can throw himself around with abandon like this because he has mental freedom scum does not possess.

Attacking Chrom will get you nowhere with me. Focus on the subjects.


Chrom's whole defense of Super was that town should put self-preservation first.

You're not this bad.

You were calling Super scum for wanting to stay alive. I am saying that that's not scummy.

It's even in a guide posted at the top of the forum.


I could probably find 3 guides that say the opposite, and you could probably find yet another 3 to back up your point. Not to mention that the guide you posted was not about self-preservation.

And you know full well that I was not calling Super scum because he wanted to stay alive. I am calling Super scum because staying alive was more important to him than scum-hunting. There is a big difference.
Umasi
Profile Joined October 2012
United States1399 Posts
July 14 2013 22:37 GMT
#820
On July 15 2013 07:24 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
@ Umasi
@ Rainbows


We three control this lynch. I think everyone else is entrenched (via either conviction or inactivity). If you agree, we need to establish some things between the three of us.

First, do we all agree that both of the current wagons are acceptable lynch candidates?


Not finished reading, want to reply before I forget
Yes, I accept that they are both absolutely acceptable lynch targets
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