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dude i have no idea kirby. My gut actually says you're town LOL.
Im prolly going to change my mind again anyway. I never really read all of what chrom was saying because i dont have time. Patience.
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chrom, didnt you kinda say one of his reasons checked out and made sense for him being scum?
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Chrom is tunneling like a madman. He doesn't accept anything else than kirby is scum.
If you say not-kirby is scum, Chrom says: "WHY THE FUCK? MAKE A CASE"
If you say kirby is scum, Crom says NOTHING
Which is bullshit. Look at everybody that says kirby is scum, Chrom is just ignoring them.
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Kirbys list post corresponds so much with my own musings that hes likely town.
maybe both of these guys are town.
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On July 15 2013 04:39 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 04:37 Umasi wrote:
But was he establishing his innocence to NOT GET LYNCHED or to PUSH TOWN AGENDA
And then was he not getting lynched because he's a scared townie who doesn't want to be lynched, or a scum who doesn't want to be lynched?
I think it's pretty obvious, going to be honest.
If there was a case on you when you first entered the thread, what would you do?
Totally forgot to respond to this
if there was a case on me when I first entered the thread, I'd be extraordinarily CONFUSED
because there can't possibly be a case right from the very beginning. No one was making cases on Cloud before he entered, we just called him a lurker.
If I enter the thread and there is a case on me, gonna be honest, I totally fucking ignore it. People were voting me quite frequently in the past game I played, I just looked at it, said "yeah you guys all think I'm scummy got it" and then kept playing. I didn't go "ohohoho I must skillfully deflect this pressure so that they believe me"
I just talk so much and am so open that they have no choice but to believe me
Super didn't enter the thread with a case on him, he entered, I commented, he responded, and THEN I started pressuring him a bit, although I thought he was super suspicious since the first fucking post.
He didn't enter and scumhunt, he entered, didn't scumhunt, got pressured, threw out half assed reads, and then did basically nothing.
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On July 15 2013 06:12 Koshi wrote:
Chrom is tunneling like a madman. He doesn't accept anything else than kirby is scum.
If you say not-kirby is scum, Chrom says: "WHY THE FUCK? MAKE A CASE"
If you say kirby is scum, Crom says NOTHING
Which is bullshit. Look at everybody that says kirby is scum, Chrom is just ignoring them.
Koshi, that's useless
Of course he ignores them if they say Kirby is scum, he doesn't need to convince them -.-
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C'mon man, we got 3 more hours. Read my filter, read chromatically's reasons on me. He's missing the target, just like he missed on xzavier last game.
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On July 15 2013 06:08 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 06:05 hzflank wrote:On July 15 2013 05:59 Chromatically wrote:On July 15 2013 05:56 hzflank wrote:
If you look at Chrom's defense of Super, almost every point was that it was bad play rather than scum play. When you make that many consecutive defenses and call them all bad play then alarm bells should be ringing. Why would this make you think that he's scum? Is your entire reasoning for him being scum that he's bad? No, I have made it clear why I think he is scum. Your entire reasoning for him being town is that he is bad. I do not buy it. The way that he writes makes him come across as a reasonable player. He has even made a couple of good posts recently, but he did not make them until he very much had to do so. If I could understand a reason for his early play that does not rely on him being bad then I would be willing to strongly reconsider my vote, but no matter how many times I go over it I just cannot get there. MY ENTIRE REASON FOR HIM BEING TOWN IS THAT THERE'S NOT A LOT SUGGESTING THAT HE'S SCUM EVERY ONE OF YOUR REASONS FOR HIM BEING SCUM IS JUST SAYING THAT HE'S BAD What in particular makes you think that he is scum and not bad town?
CHROM
WHAT IS STOPPING KIRBY FROM BEING BAD TOWN TOO?
WHAT IF HE DIDN'T PRESSURE CORRECTLY BECAUSE HE'S BAD AND DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO PRESSURE
YOU CAN'T JUST SAY THAT THEY'RE BAD AND CALL IT QUITS
NO ONE WOULD EVER GET LYNCHED THEN BECAUSE WE'RE ALL FUCKING AWFUL
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On July 15 2013 06:13 Umasi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 06:12 Koshi wrote:
Chrom is tunneling like a madman. He doesn't accept anything else than kirby is scum.
If you say not-kirby is scum, Chrom says: "WHY THE FUCK? MAKE A CASE"
If you say kirby is scum, Crom says NOTHING
Which is bullshit. Look at everybody that says kirby is scum, Chrom is just ignoring them. Koshi, that's useless Of course he ignores them if they say Kirby is scum, he doesn't need to convince them -.-
lol? look at any other game. Sheeping is not allowed. My last post in the Nuclear Mafia game is " Guys I will follow you on X because I believe you". The answer that I got "Don't sheep, make your case if you follow".
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On July 15 2013 06:12 Xzavier wrote:
chrom, didnt you kinda say one of his reasons checked out and made sense for him being scum?
Yes, one of them was okay, compared to the large number of good reasons on Kirby,
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No Koshi, you're complaining about Chrom for no reason.
not the points that you bring up, but why are you even bringing them up
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On July 15 2013 06:14 Umasi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 06:08 Chromatically wrote:On July 15 2013 06:05 hzflank wrote:On July 15 2013 05:59 Chromatically wrote:On July 15 2013 05:56 hzflank wrote:
If you look at Chrom's defense of Super, almost every point was that it was bad play rather than scum play. When you make that many consecutive defenses and call them all bad play then alarm bells should be ringing. Why would this make you think that he's scum? Is your entire reasoning for him being scum that he's bad? No, I have made it clear why I think he is scum. Your entire reasoning for him being town is that he is bad. I do not buy it. The way that he writes makes him come across as a reasonable player. He has even made a couple of good posts recently, but he did not make them until he very much had to do so. If I could understand a reason for his early play that does not rely on him being bad then I would be willing to strongly reconsider my vote, but no matter how many times I go over it I just cannot get there. MY ENTIRE REASON FOR HIM BEING TOWN IS THAT THERE'S NOT A LOT SUGGESTING THAT HE'S SCUM EVERY ONE OF YOUR REASONS FOR HIM BEING SCUM IS JUST SAYING THAT HE'S BAD What in particular makes you think that he is scum and not bad town? CHROM WHAT IS STOPPING KIRBY FROM BEING BAD TOWN TOO? WHAT IF HE DIDN'T PRESSURE CORRECTLY BECAUSE HE'S BAD AND DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO PRESSURE YOU CAN'T JUST SAY THAT THEY'RE BAD AND CALL IT QUITS NO ONE WOULD EVER GET LYNCHED THEN BECAUSE WE'RE ALL FUCKING AWFUL
Because Kirby isn't being bad, he's being scum. He's trying to look like he's contributing while doing nothing.
No one "doesn't know how to pressure". It consists of saying what you're thinking. If he was really town, and really had a scumread on Sponge, he would have brought it up to the thread.
He didn't have any scumreads at all (before the wagon on him). If he was town, he would have at least some suspicions, even if they're bad, because he's trying to scumhunt.
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I don't fucking buy that, Chrom. I don't fucking see why he's different than Super.
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On July 15 2013 06:19 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 06:14 Umasi wrote:On July 15 2013 06:08 Chromatically wrote:On July 15 2013 06:05 hzflank wrote:On July 15 2013 05:59 Chromatically wrote:On July 15 2013 05:56 hzflank wrote:
If you look at Chrom's defense of Super, almost every point was that it was bad play rather than scum play. When you make that many consecutive defenses and call them all bad play then alarm bells should be ringing. Why would this make you think that he's scum? Is your entire reasoning for him being scum that he's bad? No, I have made it clear why I think he is scum. Your entire reasoning for him being town is that he is bad. I do not buy it. The way that he writes makes him come across as a reasonable player. He has even made a couple of good posts recently, but he did not make them until he very much had to do so. If I could understand a reason for his early play that does not rely on him being bad then I would be willing to strongly reconsider my vote, but no matter how many times I go over it I just cannot get there. MY ENTIRE REASON FOR HIM BEING TOWN IS THAT THERE'S NOT A LOT SUGGESTING THAT HE'S SCUM EVERY ONE OF YOUR REASONS FOR HIM BEING SCUM IS JUST SAYING THAT HE'S BAD What in particular makes you think that he is scum and not bad town? CHROM WHAT IS STOPPING KIRBY FROM BEING BAD TOWN TOO? WHAT IF HE DIDN'T PRESSURE CORRECTLY BECAUSE HE'S BAD AND DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO PRESSURE YOU CAN'T JUST SAY THAT THEY'RE BAD AND CALL IT QUITS NO ONE WOULD EVER GET LYNCHED THEN BECAUSE WE'RE ALL FUCKING AWFUL Because Kirby isn't being bad, he's being scum. He's trying to look like he's contributing while doing nothing. No one "doesn't know how to pressure". It consists of saying what you're thinking. If he was really town, and really had a scumread on Sponge, he would have brought it up to the thread. He didn't have any scumreads at all (before the wagon on him). If he was town, he would have at least some suspicions, even if they're bad, because he's trying to scumhunt.
On July 13 2013 09:22 jrkirby wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 09:14 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On July 13 2013 09:10 Chromatically wrote:On July 13 2013 08:57 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On July 13 2013 08:54 Chromatically wrote:On July 13 2013 08:42 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On July 13 2013 08:33 Chromatically wrote:On July 13 2013 08:03 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
The following was written on the contingency I got Town in my role PM. I generally don't like early Day 1 town conversations because it's 100% fluff and teasing and clouds the filters. Necessary evil? Perhaps. But let's try to kick this game into overdrive early, shall we?
Why did you include this? Are you saying you wouldn't have posted this if you were scum? Correct. I would not have posted this particular post as scum. On July 13 2013 08:46 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On July 13 2013 08:43 Rainbows wrote:On July 13 2013 08:41 Umasi wrote:On July 13 2013 08:33 Chromatically wrote:On July 13 2013 08:03 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
The following was written on the contingency I got Town in my role PM. I generally don't like early Day 1 town conversations because it's 100% fluff and teasing and clouds the filters. Necessary evil? Perhaps. But let's try to kick this game into overdrive early, shall we?
Why did you include this? Are you saying you wouldn't have posted this if you were scum? On July 13 2013 08:20 Rainbows wrote:
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This post is scummy. Gives a reason for jkirbys post and then casts doubt on it. U scum? I'd be very interested in hearing your explanation as to why you honestly think this is scummy. I certainly wouldn't post that if I were scum, it is nothing but a good thing for town. Why WOULD he want to post that as scum? to look town. Scum love to spew general pro town thingsvto get ez town cred.. This is correct. In general, these sorts of posts should result in a null read in a veteran game. But Early Day 1, when it's generally assumed nothing interesting is happening, seemed like a good time to get PSA's out of the way for a newbie crowd. The info is valuable, but it should not get me town cred. It's more important to me that there's a town consensus on the actual content of the post, not my alignment. (Plenty of time for that later.) You obviously think that your post was pro town, right? That's why you shouldn't have posted it as scum. But then you say that you shouldn't get town cred from it, indicating that you don't think it's pro town. ? Pro town in a newbie game, yes. Probably wouldn't have posted it in a Veteran game unless I really felt the Day 1 conversation stagnating early. I think all my posts are pro-town. Otherwise, why would I post them? (That should apply to everyone but those with a severe inferiority complex.) That doesn't answer the point. The point is that your logic is inconsistant. You say that you wouldn't have posted this as scum. Why? You think that the post is valuable enough to town that scum wouldn't want to post it. You think that only a townie would post it. However, you say that you shouldn't get a town read for it, even though you think that only town would post it. I'm not in the business of telling people I'm town. I'm going to scumhunt and try to win this game, and a byproduct of that should be that people will view me as town. Put another way: I don't believe posting specifically with the goal of acquiring towncred is particularly helpful in anything but circumstances where I could be mislynched. I'm prioritizing getting the Town ducks in a row here in the early going so we can move on to the scumhunt, not establishing my Townie-ness. Interestingly, people (Chrom and jrkirby) have seemed more interested in analyzing why I posted rather than what I posted. Can I infer by this that we largely agree with what I have said? Pretty much what you said was: meta is bad, this is the meta that I might accidentally do. That's fine, neither particularly good nor bad imo. But you claimed that you would only post it on the condition that you were town. You admit to having a post that you would post on the condition that you're scum (which I think is foolish), but you won't show it to us, and that's just a tiny bit suspicious.
You aren't even reading my filter, man.
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Okay so here's my thing.
Kirby is town. His list post and recent activity feels townie.
Super might be scum. Lynch him. But I think both might be town here.
If I'm right I believe Koshi/Gotard/plus one lurker are scumteam.
Id love to explain but again, working atm. Im trying to shoot off what im thinking as we go but it sucks i cant quote here. Will probably be voting super again later.
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What don't you understand?
Here's another way: Kirby's posting has scum motivation, Super's doesn't. Kirby has been posting a lot of fluff and "light pressure". This makes him look active and contributory while doing nothing. Super has been posting bad reads and defenses, which can just as easily come from bad town as scum. Kirby's been wishy-washy in his reads, showing that he's not really scumhunting and that he's leaving himself an out. Super has mostly stuck to his reads.
There's still the situation of Kirby's attitude towards Stim, which is still incriminating.
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On July 15 2013 06:23 jrkirby wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 06:19 Chromatically wrote:On July 15 2013 06:14 Umasi wrote:On July 15 2013 06:08 Chromatically wrote:On July 15 2013 06:05 hzflank wrote:On July 15 2013 05:59 Chromatically wrote:On July 15 2013 05:56 hzflank wrote:
If you look at Chrom's defense of Super, almost every point was that it was bad play rather than scum play. When you make that many consecutive defenses and call them all bad play then alarm bells should be ringing. Why would this make you think that he's scum? Is your entire reasoning for him being scum that he's bad? No, I have made it clear why I think he is scum. Your entire reasoning for him being town is that he is bad. I do not buy it. The way that he writes makes him come across as a reasonable player. He has even made a couple of good posts recently, but he did not make them until he very much had to do so. If I could understand a reason for his early play that does not rely on him being bad then I would be willing to strongly reconsider my vote, but no matter how many times I go over it I just cannot get there. MY ENTIRE REASON FOR HIM BEING TOWN IS THAT THERE'S NOT A LOT SUGGESTING THAT HE'S SCUM EVERY ONE OF YOUR REASONS FOR HIM BEING SCUM IS JUST SAYING THAT HE'S BAD What in particular makes you think that he is scum and not bad town? CHROM WHAT IS STOPPING KIRBY FROM BEING BAD TOWN TOO? WHAT IF HE DIDN'T PRESSURE CORRECTLY BECAUSE HE'S BAD AND DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO PRESSURE YOU CAN'T JUST SAY THAT THEY'RE BAD AND CALL IT QUITS NO ONE WOULD EVER GET LYNCHED THEN BECAUSE WE'RE ALL FUCKING AWFUL Because Kirby isn't being bad, he's being scum. He's trying to look like he's contributing while doing nothing. No one "doesn't know how to pressure". It consists of saying what you're thinking. If he was really town, and really had a scumread on Sponge, he would have brought it up to the thread. He didn't have any scumreads at all (before the wagon on him). If he was town, he would have at least some suspicions, even if they're bad, because he's trying to scumhunt. Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 09:22 jrkirby wrote:On July 13 2013 09:14 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On July 13 2013 09:10 Chromatically wrote:On July 13 2013 08:57 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On July 13 2013 08:54 Chromatically wrote:On July 13 2013 08:42 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On July 13 2013 08:33 Chromatically wrote:On July 13 2013 08:03 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
The following was written on the contingency I got Town in my role PM. I generally don't like early Day 1 town conversations because it's 100% fluff and teasing and clouds the filters. Necessary evil? Perhaps. But let's try to kick this game into overdrive early, shall we?
Why did you include this? Are you saying you wouldn't have posted this if you were scum? Correct. I would not have posted this particular post as scum. On July 13 2013 08:46 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On July 13 2013 08:43 Rainbows wrote:On July 13 2013 08:41 Umasi wrote:On July 13 2013 08:33 Chromatically wrote:
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Why did you include this? Are you saying you wouldn't have posted this if you were scum?
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I'd be very interested in hearing your explanation as to why you honestly think this is scummy. I certainly wouldn't post that if I were scum, it is nothing but a good thing for town. Why WOULD he want to post that as scum? to look town. Scum love to spew general pro town thingsvto get ez town cred.. This is correct. In general, these sorts of posts should result in a null read in a veteran game. But Early Day 1, when it's generally assumed nothing interesting is happening, seemed like a good time to get PSA's out of the way for a newbie crowd. The info is valuable, but it should not get me town cred. It's more important to me that there's a town consensus on the actual content of the post, not my alignment. (Plenty of time for that later.) You obviously think that your post was pro town, right? That's why you shouldn't have posted it as scum. But then you say that you shouldn't get town cred from it, indicating that you don't think it's pro town. ? Pro town in a newbie game, yes. Probably wouldn't have posted it in a Veteran game unless I really felt the Day 1 conversation stagnating early. I think all my posts are pro-town. Otherwise, why would I post them? (That should apply to everyone but those with a severe inferiority complex.) That doesn't answer the point. The point is that your logic is inconsistant. You say that you wouldn't have posted this as scum. Why? You think that the post is valuable enough to town that scum wouldn't want to post it. You think that only a townie would post it. However, you say that you shouldn't get a town read for it, even though you think that only town would post it. I'm not in the business of telling people I'm town. I'm going to scumhunt and try to win this game, and a byproduct of that should be that people will view me as town. Put another way: I don't believe posting specifically with the goal of acquiring towncred is particularly helpful in anything but circumstances where I could be mislynched. I'm prioritizing getting the Town ducks in a row here in the early going so we can move on to the scumhunt, not establishing my Townie-ness. Interestingly, people (Chrom and jrkirby) have seemed more interested in analyzing why I posted rather than what I posted. Can I infer by this that we largely agree with what I have said? Pretty much what you said was: meta is bad, this is the meta that I might accidentally do. That's fine, neither particularly good nor bad imo. But you claimed that you would only post it on the condition that you were town. You admit to having a post that you would post on the condition that you're scum (which I think is foolish), but you won't show it to us, and that's just a tiny bit suspicious. You aren't even reading my filter, man.
I actually quoted that in my case, if you were reading mine.
Saying something is a "tiny bit suspicious" doesn't constitute a scumread, it constitutes a weak suspicion that you can go with or back out of at any time.
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On July 15 2013 06:28 Chromatically wrote:
I actually quoted that in my case, if you were reading mine.
Saying something is a "tiny bit suspicious" doesn't constitute a scumread, it constitutes a weak suspicion that you can go with or back out of at any time.
Well I'm sorry if I didn't commit 100% to something 3 hours into day 1. That's just not the way I play.
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+ Show Spoiler +On July 15 2013 06:07 Koshi wrote:Superflous timelineEntrance with post that no lynch is an option. 1h20m laterApologizing for being gone, defending his previous post in 8 lines. Mentions he has no reads, but cloud didn't post anythinh 2h20m laterapalogising for saying cloud was afk. (in 4 lines) Biggest scumread is HZ, because Umasi is town and HZ commented on Umasi. Mentions NightCat to be town, Xzavier is scum because Xzavier says Super is scum (Remember Umasi was allowed to do so) 11hours later3rd time sucking up to Umasi. mentions Koshi and Gotard are town. 4h 30min laterSuper is alarmed that H.Sponge is disagreeing with him. But maybe Sponge is scummy? Super not making a case but he mentions some things. Eventually a couple times apologizing as well. Super goes to a concert and votes Xzavier. Why the fuck Xzavier? Super his first and second post are about not lynching on the first day and now he starts a vote train. I think because he thinks days take 24hours? Conclusion: This isn't town play. this is surviving. Surviving because he is blue or scum? I say scum because of that last vote.
Comments on this Chrom? Isn't this exactly what Super did? Read his filter after reading this.
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