EPTStiM calling out lurkers for last-second votes. The irony is clogging my pores.
Newbie Mini Mafia XLIV - Page 38
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Hurricane Sponge
868 Posts
StiM calling out lurkers for last-second votes. The irony is clogging my pores. | ||
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jrkirby
United States1510 Posts
So, reads: hzflank and chromatically seem town. Koshi, xzavier seem a bit scummy, not a bad choice. cloud-9 is probably going to get replaced, no info on him. nightcat might come back and be worth something, I wish he had realized he couldn't commit to this. Nullread. Rainbows sounds pretty town to me too. Hurricane is someone you should take a close look at, it's hard to tell. He might not be the best lynch tomorrow. Umasi i don't have a good read on, neither stim. Gotard would be an excellent lynch tomorrow if I die. | ||
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Hurricane Sponge
868 Posts
On July 15 2013 05:50 jrkirby wrote: Well, superfluous is probably going to vote me, and I'll die. So, reads: hzflank and chromatically seem town. Koshi, xzavier seem a bit scummy, not a bad choice. cloud-9 is probably going to get replaced, no info on him. nightcat might come back and be worth something, I wish he had realized he couldn't commit to this. Nullread. Rainbows sounds pretty town to me too. Hurricane is someone you should take a close look at, it's hard to tell. He might not be the best lynch tomorrow. Umasi i don't have a good read on, neither stim. Gotard would be an excellent lynch tomorrow if I die. Oh no! A list post!  ucks for cover from the Rage of Chromaggus* | ||
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Hurricane Sponge
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Umasi
United States1399 Posts
I've /find and searched for VT and Vet on pages 35,36,37 and found no one claiming anything, am I just missing something? If someone would spell it out for me that'd be nice or just tell me it's not important so I can ignore it. I think that Superfluous and Kirby are about equal in terms of scumminess. Will hold of on questioning Nightcat because he said he would explain, if he never explains, wham bam slam etc etc | ||
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Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
On July 15 2013 05:13 Xzavier wrote: him [super] sticking to his "gut-read" is damning the town. he needs to vote on a bandwagon or we run the possibility of a no-lynch which by far benefits scum the most, we NEED to get a lynch off. jkirby also throwing his vote away is worrying me, but atleast hes made a case on the person he has voted for. I don't understand this. You think that Super is scummy for not being on a wagon. You are willing to ignore Kirby not being on a wagon. The fact that he's made a case is irrelevant, he's still "benefitting scum" just as much by not being on a wagon. | ||
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jrkirby
United States1510 Posts
On July 15 2013 05:52 Umasi wrote: can I just ask what people are talking about with someone claimed vet or vt or whatever the fuck I've /find and searched for VT and Vet on pages 35,36,37 and found no one claiming anything, am I just missing something? If someone would spell it out for me that'd be nice or just tell me it's not important so I can ignore it. I think that Superfluous and Kirby are about equal in terms of scumminess. Will hold of on questioning Nightcat because he said he would explain, if he never explains, wham bam slam etc etc Stim said something about hi getting replaced, and said he was VT, or vanilla town. Super misread as Veteran | ||
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Umasi
United States1399 Posts
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Umasi
United States1399 Posts
On July 15 2013 05:54 jrkirby wrote: Stim said something about hi getting replaced, and said he was VT, or vanilla town. Super misread as Veteran k thanks | ||
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jrkirby
United States1510 Posts
On July 15 2013 05:53 Chromatically wrote: I don't understand this. You think that Super is scummy for not being on a wagon. You are willing to ignore Kirby not being on a wagon. The fact that he's made a case is irrelevant, he's still "benefitting scum" just as much by not being on a wagon. Super didn't make a real case, that's the difference. Besides, now I am on a wagon, voting for super if anyone missed it. | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
On July 15 2013 05:46 Hurricane Sponge wrote: I'd be on board for a gotard hammer if someone can make a good case that mafia are on this wagon pushing for a mislynch. You don't think that Mafia are on that wagon? From my position you are on the scummy wagon. I am reading Gotard again. I did not think that the cases against him were strong, but on the other hand Gotard's filter after 24 hours was horrible. The problem that I have with reading his more recent posts is that I am struggling to separate an alignment read from a personality read. I think Gotard could very well be scum, but I still think that Super is more likely. If you look at Chrom's defense of Super, almost every point was that it was bad play rather than scum play. When you make that many consecutive defenses and call them all bad play then alarm bells should be ringing. | ||
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Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
On July 15 2013 05:56 hzflank wrote: If you look at Chrom's defense of Super, almost every point was that it was bad play rather than scum play. When you make that many consecutive defenses and call them all bad play then alarm bells should be ringing. Why would this make you think that he's scum? Is your entire reasoning for him being scum that he's bad? | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25553 Posts
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Umasi
United States1399 Posts
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Xzavier
United States393 Posts
Its sooooo fucking risky though and could easily end up in a no-lynch if the slightest thing goes wrong(if i understand correctly, like last 5 min we all switch to gotard) Chromatically, i think your case has alot of valid points, and while only a few of the origional points show scum, most of the points you disproved to be bad play, not town. Nobody wants a game involving bad logic, ect. Sure it might not mean scum, but you dont want to try to convince somebody who doesnt understand logic. It just could get messy. Thats an example. Your case convinced me you were town chrom, and it also forced me to open my eyes and do a bit of my own investigating, but attacking somebody who said he would be away for a good amount of time out of desperation with 20+ hours left before lynch seems like the better scum option, being as the town option could proove his innocents by scumhunting and making reasonable cases. he did neither. It also made me lose alot of confidence in my scumread on him, but its still the biggest scumread i have after that. On July 15 2013 05:53 Chromatically wrote: I don't understand this. You think that Super is scummy for not being on a wagon. You are willing to ignore Kirby not being on a wagon. The fact that he's made a case is irrelevant, he's still "benefitting scum" just as much by not being on a wagon. your taking alot of my smaller points and saying "You think hes scum for this" as if thats the only reason i think hes scum, alot of the things your bringing up at stuff taht says "look into this guy" and if i get enough of those, i call it "scummy" my larger point as i think sponge pointed out was him voting me out of nowhere and then making a case on a different person. That just doesnt make logic connect from a town POV. and that alone wouldnt be enough for me, but add all the little sprinkles your quoting in and it moves him to my #1 scumread. Kirby is certianly on my list of scumreads so dont except me to say i think hes town or someshit, But i think hes more likely to be town than super, this being why im voting for super. | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
On July 15 2013 05:59 Chromatically wrote: Why would this make you think that he's scum? Is your entire reasoning for him being scum that he's bad? No, I have made it clear why I think he is scum. Your entire reasoning for him being town is that he is bad. I do not buy it. The way that he writes makes him come across as a reasonable player. He has even made a couple of good posts recently, but he did not make them until he very much had to do so. If I could understand a reason for his early play that does not rely on him being bad then I would be willing to strongly reconsider my vote, but no matter how many times I go over it I just cannot get there. | ||
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jrkirby
United States1510 Posts
That's a really, really, shitty reason. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
Entrance with post that no lynch is an option. 1h20m later Apologizing for being gone, defending his previous post in 8 lines. Mentions he has no reads, but cloud didn't post anythinh 2h20m later apalogising for saying cloud was afk. (in 4 lines) Biggest scumread is HZ, because Umasi is town and HZ commented on Umasi. Mentions NightCat to be town, Xzavier is scum because Xzavier says Super is scum (Remember Umasi was allowed to do so) 11hours later 3rd time sucking up to Umasi. mentions Koshi and Gotard are town. 4h 30min later Super is alarmed that H.Sponge is disagreeing with him. But maybe Sponge is scummy? Super not making a case but he mentions some things. Eventually a couple times apologizing as well. 1h later Super goes to a concert and votes Xzavier. Why the fuck Xzavier? Super his first and second post are about not lynching on the first day and now he starts a vote train. I think because he thinks days take 24hours? Conclusion: This isn't town play. this is surviving. Surviving because he is blue or scum? I say scum because of that last vote. | ||
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jrkirby
United States1510 Posts
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Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
On July 15 2013 06:05 hzflank wrote: No, I have made it clear why I think he is scum. Your entire reasoning for him being town is that he is bad. I do not buy it. The way that he writes makes him come across as a reasonable player. He has even made a couple of good posts recently, but he did not make them until he very much had to do so. If I could understand a reason for his early play that does not rely on him being bad then I would be willing to strongly reconsider my vote, but no matter how many times I go over it I just cannot get there. MY ENTIRE REASON FOR HIM BEING TOWN IS THAT THERE'S NOT A LOT SUGGESTING THAT HE'S SCUM EVERY ONE OF YOUR REASONS FOR HIM BEING SCUM IS JUST SAYING THAT HE'S BAD What in particular makes you think that he is scum and not bad town? | ||
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