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On July 15 2013 03:19 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 03:16 Rainbows wrote:On July 15 2013 03:15 StiMaDDict wrote:
@Rainbow: Explain your unvote on Gotard please. Has your scumread on him changed or do you feel as if you need to change your vote due to majority voting system. I think he's scum. Just not the scum we're lynching today. Since he's voting JrKirby, I feel like Super is the better lynch. You're voting purely based on preflip associations, which you just said were bad?
Both dudes on the block are scummy, Super just has less redeeming qualities.Pre-flip associations are bad. Very bad. Though as a mortal, I do bad things all the time.
The problem I'm facing is figuring out which wagon is scum. My town reads are all over these two guys (and if my town reads are scum, GJ dudes, fuck these bad townies). Super just makes big paragraphs and has a ton of excuses blah blah blah. I have no qualms with lynching either of these guys, I may as well spin around and play pin-the-tail-on-the-scum at this point.
Hurray for Day 1's, the only reason I'm rather 'meh' as town is because I have no information from the start. As scum I know all the things and am never wrong because my objective is to kill town. Fun Fact: I love playing scum :p
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On July 15 2013 03:25 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 03:21 Koshi wrote:
Can we get a Super lynch going? Chromatically could you please consider this? Don't you think that Kirby is better for town if both Kirby and Super are at this point equally scum? Kirby posts much better than Super, if Kirby is scum I feel like it will be easier to catch him later on than Super.
I see that you guys (StiM, Croma) are thinking that I am scum. It's fine by me, we can discuss it later, I am not going to stop posting, I am during Europe times online A LOT, you can keep grilling me. This is blatantly untrue. Super actually posts scumreads with reasoning. Kirby does not.
Well, you refer to his read on hz or Xzavier? Because I don't like those AT ALL.
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On July 15 2013 03:28 Rainbows wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 03:19 Chromatically wrote:On July 15 2013 03:16 Rainbows wrote:On July 15 2013 03:15 StiMaDDict wrote:
@Rainbow: Explain your unvote on Gotard please. Has your scumread on him changed or do you feel as if you need to change your vote due to majority voting system. I think he's scum. Just not the scum we're lynching today. Since he's voting JrKirby, I feel like Super is the better lynch. You're voting purely based on preflip associations, which you just said were bad? Both dudes on the block are scummy, Super just has less redeeming qualities.Pre-flip associations are bad. Very bad. Though as a mortal, I do bad things all the time. The problem I'm facing is figuring out which wagon is scum. My town reads are all over these two guys (and if my town reads are scum, GJ dudes, fuck these bad townies). Super just makes big paragraphs and has a ton of excuses blah blah blah. I have no qualms with lynching either of these guys, I may as well spin around and play pin-the-tail-on-the-scum at this point. Hurray for Day 1's, the only reason I'm rather 'meh' as town is because I have no information from the start. As scum I know all the things and am never wrong because my objective is to kill town. Fun Fact: I love playing scum :p
Tell me your own reasoning, why is Super scum?
You too, Koshi,
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On July 15 2013 02:53 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 13:38 jrkirby wrote:
I don't think he's town. I think he's stupid, and have a nullread. Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 01:47 jrkirby wrote:
And when I'm talking to someone to try to help them calm down, I'm going to phrase it from a "we're both town" perspective. Doing it any other way is going to backfire. Then why did you call him stupid? This is the most damning point that I have seen against you. You treat Stim as though you have a town read on him and then call him stupid and claim to have a null read. You now say that you were trying to help him calm down. Yet you called him stupid. When in your life have you ever gotten someone to calm down by calling them stupid? Why did you call Stim stupid?
You're right, I shouldn't have called him stupid. I dislike it when players get really angry, doing irrational things, and I made a mistake. That wasn't the best thing to say at the time. But partially I said it because it was a) honest, and b) people were asking me my opinion on him.
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On July 15 2013 03:27 jrkirby wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 02:51 Chromatically wrote:On July 15 2013 02:48 jrkirby wrote:On July 15 2013 02:38 Chromatically wrote:
Well, what information did you get from it? We got that he claims to have a post that he would've posted on the condition that he's scum, but he won't post it. He clearly admitted it. And there's an obvious scum reasoning behind that: He didn't actually have something to post, because he IS scum. That isn't to say there isn't neutral motivations, as he already posted one. We also got to see how he defends himself. Apparently he does it in a calm rational manner, and provides clear (if somewhat dubious) reasoning for his actions. If you don't have anything new to ask me, I'm going to read his filter now. So it sounds like you got a scummy feel from the situation. However, you never show any signs of this. Why wouldn't you pressure vote him? Why wouldn't you keep pressuring him? Why wouldn't you ask others for reads on him?These are all things that townies would do to develop and push their reads, but you never show any interest in Sponge after this. You show no signs at all that you actually care about Sponge's alignment. It actually might have been a good idea for me to put a pressure vote on him. I'm not the greatest player, but that sounds like that would've been a good idea. Too bad I didn't think of that earlier. I didn't keep pressuring him because I didn't have anything to pressure him on. I guess I should've asked for others' reads on him too. This is all good advice, wish I had thought of it earlier myself. Thanks.
You didn't have anything to pressure him on?!? What about what you literally just told me?
We got that he claims to have a post that he would've posted on the condition that he's scum, but he won't post it. He clearly admitted it. And there's an obvious scum reasoning behind that: He didn't actually have something to post, because he IS scum. That isn't to say there isn't neutral motivations, as he already posted one. We also got to see how he defends himself. Apparently he does it in a calm rational manner, and provides clear (if somewhat dubious) reasoning for his actions.
A townie would post their scumread in the thread with their reasoning. You DID have something to pressure him on, but you DIDN'T.
You guys aren't really going to let this slide, right?
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On July 15 2013 03:08 Gotard wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 02:03 jrkirby wrote:Gotard is really sheeping with his vote on me. In one post, he says I "confuse him a little" before anyone has voted me. Then he votes me saying: Jrkirby looks like a better lynch than Superfluous right now. What? You think that you can just sheep me because of the two biggest bandwagons, you like this one better? You think you don't need to do anything, and it's just fine to jump on whatever BW you see fit? Because that is NOT ok. You better pick up your play, because that is scum. He reiterates a couple of things other people have said, and doesn't even get all of it, and misinterprets even basic things: His post claiming that hzflank is mafia was awkward and then he defended himself saying that it was only a joke/pressure combo. That was like the third post of the day, and I was quoting things that happened before the game even started. If you thought there was a chance that it was completely serious, then you weren't paying much attention. On top of that, he's barely posted, hasn't posted an original scumread, and has pressured no one. Guys, I think we found scum. Vote: Gotard Since the majority of votes is required to lynch someone you need to jump on wagons or make really strong case for other to follow and some people are just better than me at doing that. What do you mean by saying "You think you don't need to do anything, and it's just fine to jump on whatever BW you see fit". You can say stuff like that about 50% of the players in this game... And this bandwagon of course fits me because I find you scummy. "That was like the third post of the day, and I was quoting things that happened before the game even started. If you thought there was a chance that it was completely serious, then you weren't paying much attention.". Then what was the point of that post? To confuse people? To make fake content? I don't see how that post was pro town in any way. It was simply useless. "On top of that, he's barely posted, hasn't posted an original scumread, and has pressured no one.". It's hard to post "original scumread" when you are in EU timezone and game is the most active when you sleep. Do you want me to talk to myself? rotfl. (That was a little scummy excuse T_T). I do what I can do which is more passive play.
These are just excuses. Read filters, hunt scum. Don't look for where the votes are, reiterate what everyone else has said, and then vote the same way.
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On July 15 2013 03:30 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 03:28 Rainbows wrote:On July 15 2013 03:19 Chromatically wrote:On July 15 2013 03:16 Rainbows wrote:On July 15 2013 03:15 StiMaDDict wrote:
@Rainbow: Explain your unvote on Gotard please. Has your scumread on him changed or do you feel as if you need to change your vote due to majority voting system. I think he's scum. Just not the scum we're lynching today. Since he's voting JrKirby, I feel like Super is the better lynch. You're voting purely based on preflip associations, which you just said were bad? Both dudes on the block are scummy, Super just has less redeeming qualities.Pre-flip associations are bad. Very bad. Though as a mortal, I do bad things all the time. The problem I'm facing is figuring out which wagon is scum. My town reads are all over these two guys (and if my town reads are scum, GJ dudes, fuck these bad townies). Super just makes big paragraphs and has a ton of excuses blah blah blah. I have no qualms with lynching either of these guys, I may as well spin around and play pin-the-tail-on-the-scum at this point. Hurray for Day 1's, the only reason I'm rather 'meh' as town is because I have no information from the start. As scum I know all the things and am never wrong because my objective is to kill town. Fun Fact: I love playing scum :p Tell me your own reasoning, why is Super scum? You too, Koshi,
I have no interest in doing so. I am also bored with the fact that we need to keep making our own giant posts to get completely ignored by your tunneling on Kirby.
If you don't agree with me that both players look scummy atm but Kirby might be easier to read in Day 2 because he posts more and is more aggressive. Then we don't have much to discuss.
If there are 6 votes on Kirby expect me to give the 7th.
But for now I believe Super is the best choice.
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On July 15 2013 03:35 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 03:27 jrkirby wrote:On July 15 2013 02:51 Chromatically wrote:On July 15 2013 02:48 jrkirby wrote:On July 15 2013 02:38 Chromatically wrote:
Well, what information did you get from it? We got that he claims to have a post that he would've posted on the condition that he's scum, but he won't post it. He clearly admitted it. And there's an obvious scum reasoning behind that: He didn't actually have something to post, because he IS scum. That isn't to say there isn't neutral motivations, as he already posted one. We also got to see how he defends himself. Apparently he does it in a calm rational manner, and provides clear (if somewhat dubious) reasoning for his actions. If you don't have anything new to ask me, I'm going to read his filter now. So it sounds like you got a scummy feel from the situation. However, you never show any signs of this. Why wouldn't you pressure vote him? Why wouldn't you keep pressuring him? Why wouldn't you ask others for reads on him?These are all things that townies would do to develop and push their reads, but you never show any interest in Sponge after this. You show no signs at all that you actually care about Sponge's alignment. It actually might have been a good idea for me to put a pressure vote on him. I'm not the greatest player, but that sounds like that would've been a good idea. Too bad I didn't think of that earlier. I didn't keep pressuring him because I didn't have anything to pressure him on. I guess I should've asked for others' reads on him too. This is all good advice, wish I had thought of it earlier myself. Thanks. You didn't have anything to pressure him on?!? What about what you literally just told me? Show nested quote +
We got that he claims to have a post that he would've posted on the condition that he's scum, but he won't post it. He clearly admitted it. And there's an obvious scum reasoning behind that: He didn't actually have something to post, because he IS scum. That isn't to say there isn't neutral motivations, as he already posted one. We also got to see how he defends himself. Apparently he does it in a calm rational manner, and provides clear (if somewhat dubious) reasoning for his actions.
A townie would post their scumread in the thread with their reasoning. You DID have something to pressure him on, but you DIDN'T. You guys aren't really going to let this slide, right?
I didn't have anything ELSE to pressure him on.
And I didn't want to completely tunnel him either.
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On July 14 2013 06:52 hzflank wrote:
To conclude, Super's priorities seem to be
1) Stay Alive
2) Find a person to vote for
3) Find justifications for voting
That is how scum plays and that is not how town plays.
##Vote: Superfluous
Okay I have a decent amount of things to say starting with responding to this. As I said was at a concert last night etc.
Firstly I agree with Chroma's response to this, these are everyone's priorities especially early on. Mafia and town play very similarly because they both want to be viewed as town (obviously). Not only that, but you are are completely wrong about the last two points anyway. If you look at my posts I pretty explicitly state that I have reads but that I didn't feel confident enough to vote yet. The reason I voted was because I didn't want to get modkilled for not voting b/c I was exhausted from real life activity and ended up sleeping until like 4 pm. How can you say one of my main priorities is finding a person to vote for when my very first post brought up the idea of no lynching. My reads on you and Xzavier have been half based on your actual writing and half based on gut, and I don't quite expect to be able to convince everyone else to vote for either of you yet. Especially when Xzavier has barely posted anything.
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On July 15 2013 03:39 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 03:30 Chromatically wrote:On July 15 2013 03:28 Rainbows wrote:On July 15 2013 03:19 Chromatically wrote:On July 15 2013 03:16 Rainbows wrote:On July 15 2013 03:15 StiMaDDict wrote:
@Rainbow: Explain your unvote on Gotard please. Has your scumread on him changed or do you feel as if you need to change your vote due to majority voting system. I think he's scum. Just not the scum we're lynching today. Since he's voting JrKirby, I feel like Super is the better lynch. You're voting purely based on preflip associations, which you just said were bad? Both dudes on the block are scummy, Super just has less redeeming qualities.Pre-flip associations are bad. Very bad. Though as a mortal, I do bad things all the time. The problem I'm facing is figuring out which wagon is scum. My town reads are all over these two guys (and if my town reads are scum, GJ dudes, fuck these bad townies). Super just makes big paragraphs and has a ton of excuses blah blah blah. I have no qualms with lynching either of these guys, I may as well spin around and play pin-the-tail-on-the-scum at this point. Hurray for Day 1's, the only reason I'm rather 'meh' as town is because I have no information from the start. As scum I know all the things and am never wrong because my objective is to kill town. Fun Fact: I love playing scum :p Tell me your own reasoning, why is Super scum? You too, Koshi, I have no interest in doing so. I am also bored with the fact that we need to keep making our own giant posts to get completely ignored by your tunneling on Kirby. If you don't agree with me that both players look scummy atm but Kirby might be easier to read in Day 2 because he posts more and is more aggressive. Then we don't have much to discuss. If there are 6 votes on Kirby expect me to give the 7th. But for now I believe Super is the best choice.
You have no interest in finding scum? I didn't ask you for a giant post, I asked why you thought that Super is scum. I assumed that you'd have reasoning for it, since that's what you're pushing.
This is probably the 5th time that someone has thrown "tunneling" out there to discredit me. I'm not tunneling. I'm not ignoring evidence that disproves my point, I'm not ignoring other candidates for no reason, and I have very good reasons for pushing Kirby.
I'm interested in why you think that Super is scum because I don't see it.
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Sponge had really awesome pro town walls of texts pressuring him would be weird to me.
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On July 15 2013 02:25 jrkirby wrote:Xzavier also looks scummy to me. While he hasn't voted yet, he did say: Soon after it's clear we both have a BW on us. Pretty much sheeping to me. And it's only a couple hours for the deadline, so I wouldn't be surprised if he BW's someone without much discussion or reason. Also most of his posts have been about his schedule, instead of about the game. If THAT isn't fluff, what is?
Still catching up on the thread this morning~~
but what if I told you that xzavier thinks you two are scummiest
because you two
are fucking scummiest
I don't like how he's been working as often as blazinghand eats dinner, but some things honestly can't be helped.
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On July 15 2013 03:40 jrkirby wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 03:35 Chromatically wrote:On July 15 2013 03:27 jrkirby wrote:On July 15 2013 02:51 Chromatically wrote:On July 15 2013 02:48 jrkirby wrote:On July 15 2013 02:38 Chromatically wrote:
Well, what information did you get from it? We got that he claims to have a post that he would've posted on the condition that he's scum, but he won't post it. He clearly admitted it. And there's an obvious scum reasoning behind that: He didn't actually have something to post, because he IS scum. That isn't to say there isn't neutral motivations, as he already posted one. We also got to see how he defends himself. Apparently he does it in a calm rational manner, and provides clear (if somewhat dubious) reasoning for his actions. If you don't have anything new to ask me, I'm going to read his filter now. So it sounds like you got a scummy feel from the situation. However, you never show any signs of this. Why wouldn't you pressure vote him? Why wouldn't you keep pressuring him? Why wouldn't you ask others for reads on him?These are all things that townies would do to develop and push their reads, but you never show any interest in Sponge after this. You show no signs at all that you actually care about Sponge's alignment. It actually might have been a good idea for me to put a pressure vote on him. I'm not the greatest player, but that sounds like that would've been a good idea. Too bad I didn't think of that earlier. I didn't keep pressuring him because I didn't have anything to pressure him on. I guess I should've asked for others' reads on him too. This is all good advice, wish I had thought of it earlier myself. Thanks. You didn't have anything to pressure him on?!? What about what you literally just told me?
We got that he claims to have a post that he would've posted on the condition that he's scum, but he won't post it. He clearly admitted it. And there's an obvious scum reasoning behind that: He didn't actually have something to post, because he IS scum. That isn't to say there isn't neutral motivations, as he already posted one. We also got to see how he defends himself. Apparently he does it in a calm rational manner, and provides clear (if somewhat dubious) reasoning for his actions.
A townie would post their scumread in the thread with their reasoning. You DID have something to pressure him on, but you DIDN'T. You guys aren't really going to let this slide, right? I didn't have anything ELSE to pressure him on. And I didn't want to completely tunnel him either.
If he was your scumread, you would want to pressure him with this and bring it to town's attention.
I'm going to stop this conversation because it's not going to go anywhere from here. I think you're scum, you disagree.
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Does anyone have defense for Gotard? Rainbows, you unvoted him to vote... no one? I don't understand. It doesn't sound like you've stopped thinking he's scum, you just unvoted him.
Can someone else read Gotard's filter and tell me why he's not scum?
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On July 15 2013 03:45 Superfluous wrote:
Firstly I agree with Chroma's response to this, these are everyone's priorities especially early on.
I do not and will not agree with this, and I expect that most other people will not agree, either. When the game starts, at the beginning of day 1, the first priority for scum is to not get lynched. The first priority for town is to create an atmosphere in which good reads can be made. The second priority for town is to hunt for scum and try to strengthen their reads. Staying alive barely even registers on the list of things to do.
You admit that the first thing that you did was try to stay alive. I suppose you have to now as you cannot backtrack on that. It is my opinion that having such priorities makes you scum.
I do not want to tunnel you over a single point, so I will call that a big red mark and wait to see what you post before the deadline. I see no point in pressuring you directly on this issue as you are just going to claim philosophical differences, which I consider a weak defense when your philosophy is terrible.
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On July 15 2013 03:54 jrkirby wrote:
Does anyone have defense for Gotard? Rainbows, you unvoted him to vote... no one? I don't understand. It doesn't sound like you've stopped thinking he's scum, you just unvoted him.
Can someone else read Gotard's filter and tell me why he's not scum?
I can,
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Staying alive is not important at all. Vanilla Townies are here to post as much as they can, make as much sense as they can, do as much scumreading as they can. And then die with full glory in the night.
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hm~still not positive who I want dead more t.t
(caught up now)
Jrkirby, what do you think about the case on Superfluous? You've hardly mentioned him ever.
Superfluous, same to you, what do you think about the case on Jrkirby?
Please don't say something noncommittal like "oh third party probably herpaderp" We don't even know if there is a third party, I don't accept that as a read at this stage in the game
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On July 15 2013 04:01 Koshi wrote:
Staying alive is not important at all. Vanilla Townies are here to post as much as they can, make as much sense as they can, do as much scumreading as they can. And then die with full glory in the night.
Unfortunately I have no fucking clue what to make of Koshi, and it doesn't really matter atm because everyone falls behind Super and Kirby on the priority list
maybe kinda scummy
but I want to keep him around so he can spout phrases like that more often.
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Koshi's play also really jumps out at me. He doesn't seem to be interested in sharing his logic, and when he does it just feels like "well we should have a lynch and people seem to think jrkirby and super are scummy so I'll go with that".
This post
Guys, we need to get our shit together if we want a lynch. Don't forget we need at least 7 people on 1 guy. Both look perfect targets, let's try to come to a consensus now so that the more inactive people can follow us if they pop in.
I would say that Sponge and Umasi try to work this out and they give us final target? It seems that Chroma made the kirby case and that hzflank made the super case.
Me, StiM and all others should FOLLOW lead.
and this post
Can we get a Super lynch going? Chromatically could you please consider this? Don't you think that Kirby is better for town if both Kirby and Super are at this point equally scum? Kirby posts much better than Super, if Kirby is scum I feel like it will be easier to catch him later on than Super.
I see that you guys (StiM, Croma) are thinking that I am scum. It's fine by me, we can discuss it later, I am not going to stop posting, I am during Europe times online A LOT, you can keep grilling me.
Both set off alarm bells for me even though I can somewhat see where they could come from in a town position. The logic in bold makes very little sense to me and those are also super-leading questions trying to get Chroma to turn on me.
Also thanks to Chroma for understanding my logic/playstyle. You can never trust someone in mafia but you at least defended me when I was gone.
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