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On July 15 2013 04:04 Umasi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 04:01 Koshi wrote:
Staying alive is not important at all. Vanilla Townies are here to post as much as they can, make as much sense as they can, do as much scumreading as they can. And then die with full glory in the night. Unfortunately I have no fucking clue what to make of Koshi, and it doesn't really matter atm because everyone falls behind Super and Kirby on the priority list maybe kinda scummy but I want to keep him around so he can spout phrases like that more often.
Did you read this?
On July 15 2013 01:47 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 00:44 Koshi wrote:On July 15 2013 00:21 Chromatically wrote:On July 14 2013 22:41 Koshi wrote:
jrkirby needs to come back and start proving he is town. His last 5 posts were horribly rude, but I still wonder if scum would do that. It's so bold, or maybe he is just a rude person.. Why do you think that Kirby needs to price that he's town, but not Super? hzflank his case spreads out over a long period of Super posts and is a case on the playstyle of Super. Not as much nitpicking of sentences in the posts. The kirby case is more looking at the content of his posting. Kinda hard to explain, but you understand what I mean? No, you just messed up. Both cases are about playstyle. Both cases are spread out over a period. Neither case is nitpicking sentences. Both cases are looking at the content of the posting. You're just making stuff up. Your post implied that you were going to switch onto Kirby if he didn't post. This doesn't make any sense from a town perspective. You found the case on Super more convincing, but if neither of them posted, you would have switched onto Kirby? No logical town reason for that.
I don't know why you like that quote, it's not even relevant. We're not talking about getting nk'd, we're talking about getting mislynched (something that every townie obviously wants to avoid).
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@Superfluous: Your read on jkirby, now.
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On July 15 2013 04:07 StiMaDDict wrote:
@Superfluous: Your read on jkirby, now.
^^
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I'll stick by my early read and say that jkirby is sporadic and unpredictable. He could be a liability late game as this play could easily be jumped on by mafia to make a case for him being scum. That said I do think he's town. The only thing that makes me suspicious of him is association; for instance how Koshi is trying to get a lynch on me going in alternative to him when in his post he says there is an equal chance we are scum. But no point in voting on pre-flip associations as someone previously said.
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On July 15 2013 04:06 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 04:04 Umasi wrote:On July 15 2013 04:01 Koshi wrote:
Staying alive is not important at all. Vanilla Townies are here to post as much as they can, make as much sense as they can, do as much scumreading as they can. And then die with full glory in the night. Unfortunately I have no fucking clue what to make of Koshi, and it doesn't really matter atm because everyone falls behind Super and Kirby on the priority list maybe kinda scummy but I want to keep him around so he can spout phrases like that more often. Did you read this? Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 01:47 Chromatically wrote:On July 15 2013 00:44 Koshi wrote:On July 15 2013 00:21 Chromatically wrote:On July 14 2013 22:41 Koshi wrote:
jrkirby needs to come back and start proving he is town. His last 5 posts were horribly rude, but I still wonder if scum would do that. It's so bold, or maybe he is just a rude person.. Why do you think that Kirby needs to price that he's town, but not Super? hzflank his case spreads out over a long period of Super posts and is a case on the playstyle of Super. Not as much nitpicking of sentences in the posts. The kirby case is more looking at the content of his posting. Kinda hard to explain, but you understand what I mean? No, you just messed up. Both cases are about playstyle. Both cases are spread out over a period. Neither case is nitpicking sentences. Both cases are looking at the content of the posting. You're just making stuff up. Your post implied that you were going to switch onto Kirby if he didn't post. This doesn't make any sense from a town perspective. You found the case on Super more convincing, but if neither of them posted, you would have switched onto Kirby? No logical town reason for that. I don't know why you like that quote, it's not even relevant. We're not talking about getting nk'd, we're talking about getting mislynched (something that every townie obviously wants to avoid).
I didn't mean I LIKED the thing in a protown way
I mean I want shit like "glory of the night' to be spouted more often
because it sounds glorious.
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K KIRBYS TURN GET IN HERE AND TALK ABOUT SUPERFLUOUS
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On July 15 2013 03:57 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 03:45 Superfluous wrote:
Firstly I agree with Chroma's response to this, these are everyone's priorities especially early on. I do not and will not agree with this, and I expect that most other people will not agree, either. When the game starts, at the beginning of day 1, the first priority for scum is to not get lynched. The first priority for town is to create an atmosphere in which good reads can be made. The second priority for town is to hunt for scum and try to strengthen their reads. Staying alive barely even registers on the list of things to do. You admit that the first thing that you did was try to stay alive. I suppose you have to now as you cannot backtrack on that. It is my opinion that having such priorities makes you scum. I do not want to tunnel you over a single point, so I will call that a big red mark and wait to see what you post before the deadline. I see no point in pressuring you directly on this issue as you are just going to claim philosophical differences, which I consider a weak defense when your philosophy is terrible.
Here is a DIRECT QUOTE from Incognito's "General Guide to Mafia"
Priority #1: Establishing Your Innocence So, you know how to look for mafia and are ready to smoke them out. But unfortunately, just knowing how to find mafia is not good enough. The other part of the equation is convincing the town that you’ve found them. While you may be correct, it takes more than your own vote to properly seal the deal and kill off the mafia. As a townie, your number 1 priority is to establish your innocence. Why? Establishing your innocence does three things: - It gives you a credible platform from which you can push your agenda
- It reduces the mafia’s options for pushing their agenda - they can’t attack you without some serious consequences
- It reduces the number of viable mafia candidates - if the town thinks you are innocent that’s one less person to worry about
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On July 15 2013 04:11 Superfluous wrote:
I'll stick by my early read and say that jkirby is sporadic and unpredictable. He could be a liability late game as this play could easily be jumped on by mafia to make a case for him being scum. That said I do think he's town. The only thing that makes me suspicious of him is association; for instance how Koshi is trying to get a lynch on me going in alternative to him when in his post he says there is an equal chance we are scum. But no point in voting on pre-flip associations as someone previously said.
Why do you think that he's town?
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On July 15 2013 04:12 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 03:57 hzflank wrote:On July 15 2013 03:45 Superfluous wrote:
Firstly I agree with Chroma's response to this, these are everyone's priorities especially early on. I do not and will not agree with this, and I expect that most other people will not agree, either. When the game starts, at the beginning of day 1, the first priority for scum is to not get lynched. The first priority for town is to create an atmosphere in which good reads can be made. The second priority for town is to hunt for scum and try to strengthen their reads. Staying alive barely even registers on the list of things to do. You admit that the first thing that you did was try to stay alive. I suppose you have to now as you cannot backtrack on that. It is my opinion that having such priorities makes you scum. I do not want to tunnel you over a single point, so I will call that a big red mark and wait to see what you post before the deadline. I see no point in pressuring you directly on this issue as you are just going to claim philosophical differences, which I consider a weak defense when your philosophy is terrible. Here is a DIRECT QUOTE from Incognito's "General Guide to Mafia"Show nested quote +Priority #1: Establishing Your Innocence So, you know how to look for mafia and are ready to smoke them out. But unfortunately, just knowing how to find mafia is not good enough. The other part of the equation is convincing the town that you’ve found them. While you may be correct, it takes more than your own vote to properly seal the deal and kill off the mafia. As a townie, your number 1 priority is to establish your innocence. Why? Establishing your innocence does three things: - It gives you a credible platform from which you can push your agenda
- It reduces the mafia’s options for pushing their agenda - they can’t attack you without some serious consequences
- It reduces the number of viable mafia candidates - if the town thinks you are innocent that’s one less person to worry about
You admit that the first thing that you did was try to stay alive. I suppose you have to now as you cannot backtrack on that. It is my opinion that having such priorities makes you scum.
Super has said that he was trying to stay alive, which I consider quite different from establishing innocence.
I just want to clarify, Chrom, do you think that Superfluous is town or scum? Are you defending him because you think he's town, or because you want a kirby lynch to go through?
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Welcome to Day 1! This Day ends in ~50 hours at Sunday, Jul 14 8:00pm EDT (GMT-04:00) aka 20:00 EDT (-04:00). With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.
Found it ^^
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On July 15 2013 04:18 Umasi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 04:12 Chromatically wrote:On July 15 2013 03:57 hzflank wrote:On July 15 2013 03:45 Superfluous wrote:
Firstly I agree with Chroma's response to this, these are everyone's priorities especially early on. I do not and will not agree with this, and I expect that most other people will not agree, either. When the game starts, at the beginning of day 1, the first priority for scum is to not get lynched. The first priority for town is to create an atmosphere in which good reads can be made. The second priority for town is to hunt for scum and try to strengthen their reads. Staying alive barely even registers on the list of things to do. You admit that the first thing that you did was try to stay alive. I suppose you have to now as you cannot backtrack on that. It is my opinion that having such priorities makes you scum. I do not want to tunnel you over a single point, so I will call that a big red mark and wait to see what you post before the deadline. I see no point in pressuring you directly on this issue as you are just going to claim philosophical differences, which I consider a weak defense when your philosophy is terrible. Here is a DIRECT QUOTE from Incognito's "General Guide to Mafia"Priority #1: Establishing Your Innocence So, you know how to look for mafia and are ready to smoke them out. But unfortunately, just knowing how to find mafia is not good enough. The other part of the equation is convincing the town that you’ve found them. While you may be correct, it takes more than your own vote to properly seal the deal and kill off the mafia. As a townie, your number 1 priority is to establish your innocence. Why? Establishing your innocence does three things: - It gives you a credible platform from which you can push your agenda
- It reduces the mafia’s options for pushing their agenda - they can’t attack you without some serious consequences
- It reduces the number of viable mafia candidates - if the town thinks you are innocent that’s one less person to worry about
Show nested quote +You admit that the first thing that you did was try to stay alive. I suppose you have to now as you cannot backtrack on that. It is my opinion that having such priorities makes you scum. Super has said that he was trying to stay alive, which I consider quite different from establishing innocence. I just want to clarify, Chrom, do you think that Superfluous is town or scum? Are you defending him because you think he's town, or because you want a kirby lynch to go through?
Establishing innocence == staying alive. If there is pressure on you, you defend it. That's both establishing your innocence and helping you to stay alive. One of the reasons why establishing innocence is important is that it prevents your mislynch, aka staying alive. It's not scummy at all, it's what I would do.
I think that Super is town (but I also obviously want the Kirby lynch).
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On July 15 2013 04:12 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 03:57 hzflank wrote:On July 15 2013 03:45 Superfluous wrote:
Firstly I agree with Chroma's response to this, these are everyone's priorities especially early on. I do not and will not agree with this, and I expect that most other people will not agree, either. When the game starts, at the beginning of day 1, the first priority for scum is to not get lynched. The first priority for town is to create an atmosphere in which good reads can be made. The second priority for town is to hunt for scum and try to strengthen their reads. Staying alive barely even registers on the list of things to do. You admit that the first thing that you did was try to stay alive. I suppose you have to now as you cannot backtrack on that. It is my opinion that having such priorities makes you scum. I do not want to tunnel you over a single point, so I will call that a big red mark and wait to see what you post before the deadline. I see no point in pressuring you directly on this issue as you are just going to claim philosophical differences, which I consider a weak defense when your philosophy is terrible. Here is a DIRECT QUOTE from Incognito's "General Guide to Mafia"Show nested quote +Priority #1: Establishing Your Innocence So, you know how to look for mafia and are ready to smoke them out. But unfortunately, just knowing how to find mafia is not good enough. The other part of the equation is convincing the town that you’ve found them. While you may be correct, it takes more than your own vote to properly seal the deal and kill off the mafia. As a townie, your number 1 priority is to establish your innocence. Why? Establishing your innocence does three things: - It gives you a credible platform from which you can push your agenda
- It reduces the mafia’s options for pushing their agenda - they can’t attack you without some serious consequences
- It reduces the number of viable mafia candidates - if the town thinks you are innocent that’s one less person to worry about
You do not establish your innocence by trying to avoid being lynched from the very start of the game. You establish your innocence by explaining your thought processes to other players.
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If I walked into the thread and there was pressure on me, my first order of business would be to get it off of me.
It's not scummy.
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Mostly experience. People who play the way he is this game normally either get mislynched early on and flip town, or survive till end game where mafia convince other townies that he's scum. He has tunneled a bit. I also don't really see his goals in his actions but I atrribute that to sporadic play not scumminess. It'd be in his interest to vote me if he were maf considering some people seem to view this as a him-or-me situation, and he hasn't done that yet either. Thinking about it I'm not sure he would be the biggest loss to town, but I obviously try to refrain from voting off town early on. It may be worth lynching him to get info as well, but I'm really really torn on that end.
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It gives you a credible platform from which you can push your agenda
It reduces the mafia’s options for pushing their agenda - they can’t attack you without some serious consequences
It reduces the number of viable mafia candidates - if the town thinks you are innocent that’s one less person to worry about
the results are different than trying to "stay alive"
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On July 15 2013 04:23 Umasi wrote:Show nested quote +It gives you a credible platform from which you can push your agenda
It reduces the mafia’s options for pushing their agenda - they can’t attack you without some serious consequences
It reduces the number of viable mafia candidates - if the town thinks you are innocent that’s one less person to worry about
the results are different than trying to "stay alive"
It reduces the mafia’s options for pushing their agenda - they can’t attack you without some serious consequences aka scum can't mislynch you
It reduces the number of viable mafia candidates - if the town thinks you are innocent that’s one less person to worry about aka town won't mislynch you
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Super calling jrkirby probably town...
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My read on superflous: slightly scummy. At first he talks about doing a no lynch, and first day, you have to at least TRY to lynch. If you don't even try, the first day might as well not have even happened, which is bad. He votes xzavier for pretty much no reason, and that's a bit scummy too. He comes back today, bu he still hasn't switched to Koshi, who's the only person he's written a case on.
Overall, I'd prefer to lynch someone else over him, but might vote for him if that's the only way to get a lynch.
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On July 15 2013 04:27 Rainbows wrote:
Super calling jrkirby probably town...
What's your point?
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