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On July 13 2013 09:34 StiMaDDict wrote: My bad, guys. Got pissed for no reason. Spoilers and quotes kept getting messed up. On July 13 2013 11:55 StiMaDDict wrote: I did respond quite aggressively and in an angry manner, even though I was not really angry at all. There were 2 purposes: 1) To see if Rainbow would 'flinch' 2) To establish myself to others as capable of defending myself. Conclusion: He didn't flinch and I did clear my name somewhat. I could have counter pressured to get some sort of read from Rainbow, however I didn't, because it IS early in the game and without proving myself as an active town, it would have a less of impact and leave a bad impression of me. So you're saying that you pretended to be angry, and then lied about why you were angry afterwords? | ||
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On July 13 2013 12:19 StiMaDDict wrote: This. Pretty much repeating what Xzavier did in the last game, calling everyone retard, was from me being genuinely mad. Overall attitude in my posts and impolite words in them were for the purpose I have stated. Do note: I'm not a good actor and I am not sure whether there was a clear boundary between me being mad because of quotes and spoilers and pretending to be mad at Rainbow. I was not bothered by Rainbow's pressure to put it simply and it is not in my best interest to lie about this. To make sure that we're clear, you're claiming that you didn't lie at all about this? | ||
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On July 13 2013 12:24 StiMaDDict wrote: My previous post looks confusing. 1) I was mad at messing up posts but not at Rainbow 2) My anger reflected on my posts 3) Later when I realized that my posts were angry sounding I gave them purposes and maintain similar style. I hope this explains it better. Not sure if this is a relevant topic though. So you're saying that you just totally made up this part: + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 11:55 StiMaDDict wrote: I did respond quite aggressively and in an angry manner, even though I was not really angry at all. There were 2 purposes: 1) To see if Rainbow would 'flinch' 2) To establish myself to others as capable of defending myself. Conclusion: He didn't flinch and I did clear my name somewhat. I could have counter pressured to get some sort of read from Rainbow, however I didn't, because it IS early in the game and without proving myself as an active town, it would have a less of impact and leave a bad impression of me. | ||
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1) Rainbow pressures Stim 2) Stim posts an angry response 3) Stim claims that his anger was due to formatting 4) Stim claims that he wasn't actually angry, and that he acted like it to get a reaction. 3 and 4 are incompatible. Stim is claiming that he was angry from the formatting, and then lied about his reasoning for doing it later. This doesn't make sense from a town perspective. On July 13 2013 11:55 StiMaDDict wrote: I did respond quite aggressively and in an angry manner, even though I was not really angry at all. There were 2 purposes: 1) To see if Rainbow would 'flinch' 2) To establish myself to others as capable of defending myself. Conclusion: He didn't flinch and I did clear my name somewhat. I could have counter pressured to get some sort of read from Rainbow, however I didn't, because it IS early in the game and without proving myself as an active town, it would have a less of impact and leave a bad impression of me. Town wouldn't say "There were 2 purposes" for their anger if they had just made up those purposes now. Town most certainly wouldn't say "I wasn't actually angry" if they were, like Stim is claiming he was now. ##Vote: Stim I'd be interested in hearing others' thoughts. | ||
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Above all, you know that you are town. You also know exactly why you did what you did, and you can explain the town motivation behind it. When someone accuses you of lying/making up facts, your first reaction is obviously to explain yourself. You know the reasoning for why you did it, there should be no problem in explaining it to the thread. Now Imagine that youre scum Stim. You just spent the last ten minutes freaking out and trying to cover up your mistake. When someone accuses you, you know that you can't clearly explain your reasoning because you don't have any. You're far far more likely to assume that everyone thinks you're sum and just martyr. | ||
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On July 13 2013 13:31 jrkirby wrote: 2 votes land on a guy is quick succession, I'd be stupid if I weren't at least a BIT suspicious. As far as I can tell, stim is just acting like a bit of an idiot, is flustered, and frustrated. Doesn't seem like scumtell to me. You're free to have your vote, and I don't have a solid scumread on either of you, but I will be looking a bit more closely at your filters. How about the whole lying thing, that's sort of the reason why we're voting him. | ||
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Lie about his anger Town motivation: none Scum motivation: screwed up the explanation because the anger was faked in the first place Martyr Town motivation: none, far more likely that he just explains Scum motivation: knows he can't explain, so he acts emotional to get people to switch | ||
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@Chrom: Can you explain what this post means? I also have a nitpick with this post: I feel like the anger was definitely real, and StiM was trying play play Mr. Cool Cat by claiming that he was really in control the whole time, and just pretended to be angry. Still not clear what that motivation could have been, but the above 2x2 leaves out some key points and I feel you're making a bit more assumptions that you usually do... Several people suddenly posted to tell Stim that I could be scum, and then didn't actually give an opinion on Stim. It was really wierd. You've brought up this same idea a few times about Stim trying to "act cool", but I don't see any particular reason to believe it. Why do you? As I've said before, there will always be a possibility of a town explanation, it's just less likely. If Stim is town, he'll return with a clear explanation. If you want to bring up meta, town should have lynched Stim in XLII. He could have easily been scum, and I said as much in the obs. A more convincing point is that Stim never reacted this way to pressure in XLIII, even though several votes were thrown on him over the course (if I remember). Hypothetical: If Stim doesn't return, what will you do? | ||
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On July 13 2013 16:29 Hurricane Sponge wrote: I'm still a bit mad at StiM for his post implying that it was our job to keep him entertained. I'm going to give myself some time to cool off on that, because I don't appreciate people quitting on my team (if he is in fact town). This is a time investment for everybody, and it's damn selfish of him to pack up his ball and go home after really light pressure. Townville: Kirby pressured me appropriately after my opener. I like that. He also seems to have the same attitude as me regarding the quick StiMwagon: hz is aggressively posting reads and seems to emulate my thoughts on the early Superfluous post: Xzavier posted some decent thoughts (although he really didn't go out on any limbs): Rainbows is active and is claiming credit for the StiM wagon. If StiM is town, as I suspect, I don't think scum would be claiming lead on an eventual green flip: Planet Neutral: I've found confusing material on Chrom that some may deem scummy (misrepresenting facts, leaping to conclusions, overblowing alignment-neutral mistakes). However, he also did his usual early game Poke'n'Prod, getting people to clarify their random claims that might otherwise have gone unchecked (very town). Umasi is incredibly active, and hunting. The logic leaps, confirmation bias, and clumsy attacks aren't really helping the town, however (other than to just provide really obvious pressure). If there was a shade between Green and Black, I'd use it because I think the three options for Umasi are 'Bad Town' 'Good Scum' and 'Good Town That I Just Have Trouble Reading For Whatever Reason'. Scum Central: Superfluous has a lot of ground to make up. I don't like people attacking him for his bad policy, but at the end of the day, that's not the only thing going against him. I really disagree with his reads, and that has to account for something: These are some wierd-ass wierd reads (formatted in a list, might I add...). You give town reads to a large number of people based on almost nothing? You say that me and Umasi are actively scumhunting, and then say we're null? All followed by a sheep on Super while waiting to commit to Stim. It all feels really odd. Why is xzavier more townie then Umasi/me? Why did you post town reads in the first place? | ||
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On July 13 2013 15:53 Hurricane Sponge wrote: Chrom has made a couple missteps that I would consider 'uncharacteristic'. At the very least, they are poor play I did not expect from him. 1. His enthusiasm to lynch StiM after the blow-up (surely we can all see that it was more likely immature and pissy play from StiM and alignment-independent) contained logical leaks and overblows the importance of whether StiM lied about being mad or not. 2. Saying Superfluous was trying to not 'make waves' when he was the lone voice speaking up for an unpopular policy (Day 1 No Lynch) More importantly, when viewed as a whole, the bolded section above is a big stop sign on my vote to lynch StiM: Why would scum not alert StiM that everyone and their mother knew the jokepost was a joke and let him carry on in this manner? He'd have to be willfully disobeying his team, or (more likely) flying solo. If someone can give me a satisfactory answer to that, I'd feel much better about a StiM lynch. 1) You seem confident that Stim's blowup was alignment independent, can you address my earlier posts about why it's more likely from scum? I think it's pretty hard to overblow the importance of someone lying about their motivation without being able to explain it. You disagree? 2) The apologetic tone is the entire reason why Super looks bad. He's trying not to draw attention to himself and not to incite anyone (scummy). The Nolynch thing is totally non alignment indicative, which you should know. Explain your scumread on Super more. | ||
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Why don't you think that Stim is scum? | ||
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As mafia, Stim doesn't really have any other options because he can't explain his actions. He also can't just ignore them after two votes. He just might survive if he acts really emotional, so thats what he's doing (and it's working very well, might I add). | ||
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On July 13 2013 21:19 Chromatically wrote: He just might survive if he acts really emotional, so thats what he's doing (and it's working very well, might I add). Please read my above post again, that's what I just explained. Faking anger as mafia is beneficial because it pushes suspicion away from him, like its doing now. | ||
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