On July 18 2013 15:33 Alakaslam wrote: By the way, I did something stupid.
Here are my reads:
Super: people have made fair accusations of lurking in a way I don't like. Wouldn't facepalm if he gets lynched next day. Nightcat: very, very new. Save for later. Chrom: totes town. Don't sheep him.
Hurricane: forming. He is making me lean town with this exchange. Onegu: totes town. He is bamcis, let him put the pressure on. Umasi: town.
Anyone not on this list may or may not be scummy. They aren't prominent enough to come to mind, which is right where scum wants to be, and right where passive town usually wind up. When I finish this exchange with hurricane, I may have a full day at work after sleep and be unable to post until day. So I know this isn't ideal, but at least it is.
Wish I wasn't such a fool.
There are 9 players left in the game and it is the night phase. Why do you give 5 town reads, 1 weak scum read and then passively FoS the other 2 players?
If there are things that you do not like about me then this is the time to explore them, as opposed to just giving your town reads.
I felt the exact same way, was gonna post same thing. Would you consider those not on this list scum reads through process of elimination?
I am not sure if this was directed at Alaka or me, but I will answer anyway.
I think it is likely that his scum reads are based on elimination, except possibly for his read on you (Super). With 9 players still in the game I do not like using process of elimination.
Additionally, I am surprised that people are getting so many strong town reads. Even my strongest town reads could very well be scum at this point. On day 3, I might be able to actually confirm a town read or two, but I cannot at the moment so I am surprised that other people can.
Perhaps what bothers me the most is that he lightly FoS' me during the night phase. Alakaslam has seen me play before and should know that that is completely pointless at this stage. If he actually thinks that I am scum then he should of hit me with a solid case. I like to defend solid cases against myself, as it gives me a chance to examine the person who is attacking me. I do not like it when someone calls me scummy without providing good reasons, because it makes it difficult for me to get a read on my attacker.
@Alakaslam
Why do you think I am scum? Why do you think Xzavier is scum?
Wahahahaha! I townread both of you but now Vigi is bamcis! XZAVIER DO I WORRY YOU
On July 19 2013 10:03 Alakaslam wrote: At Wickenburg laundromat, pffft my reads suck when active but rock house when passive XD
So Sponge takes info to the grave but I wasn't nk-Ed, so mehhhh.
Umasi was still roleblocked? Someone town on him then. Sup Ignacio? Can protect me at night next? I wouldn't guide a blue role like that though... So do what you will.
Umasi confirmed NOT the Vig or SK though.
I have to catch up from 102, gimme time
assuming umasi is not lieing, he can still be Vig , just not SK
PHALSE. You reminded me by this that he could still be either. No moar bloo phishing
On July 19 2013 08:58 Hurricane Sponge wrote: So, we're about half an hour from the Night 2 end.
My reads based on the Gotard flip:
Xzavier's filter looks worst with the Gotard flip. He supports a Super lynch over a Gotard flip because: "atleast gotard you can get reads off of because he posts. Having a hardcore lurker at LYLO is a horrible nightmare." Not the most compelling argument ever, but I guess it's plausible as town. However, everyone else went hard after Gotard at some point, and after reading all the filters, Xzav's stuck out to me. Reading through it, both of his arguments were 'Yeah, gotard looks scummy, but here's a reason why he shouldn't be lynched: _________ '
Superfluous also seems scummy to me, which seems like a strange bedfellow for Xzavier. It's easy to pick on his post activity, but he also brings very little unique analysis to the table in his posts. There's still significant unnaccounted-for content in his filter (for example: I want him to respond to my question about what he was referencing during the Roleblock-ing conversation).
Continuing the theme, my third scummiest read is Umasi (somewhat by PoE, but his Day 2 / Night 2 doesn't help). He also catches some heat from Superfluous, but his filter when you control-f 'Gotard' doesn't look great. A lot of soft defense followed by softer FoS. He also flatly resisted moving onto Gotard Day 1 (like Xzavier did) when I floated the idea of ambushing Gotard or Koshi when we had the votes to make it happen.
Now, some of these reads seem incompatible with each other. It seems to pivot on Superfluous; both Xzavier and Umasi have targeted him with strong cases. But these three are what's left when I knock out the three guys I feel are 99.9% - 100.0% town, one who is probably Town (outside chance he's SK) but certainly not Mafia, and the other two who are fairly solidly Town by virtue of good activity levels and scumhunt-rich filters.
I don't see the value in specifically revealing my town reads right now, but if you've been following the game, the map I outlined may make sense to you. YMMV. Let me know if you absolutely have to know if someone is in some tier or something. I don't see the harm or benefits in revealing this information unsolicited, however.
One exception, because I feel it may surprise people who read my case on allah-kah-Slam:
I do not suspect Alakaslam is scum. And neither should any of you, if'n -yous- were paying attention tonight.
U Rong chroma
Xzavier is skum. Yesssss, because I make Hz lose his sheitz totes by accident regarding hissel and Xzavier. Then look what HS sez^^^^^^
On July 19 2013 10:03 Alakaslam wrote: At Wickenburg laundromat, pffft my reads suck when active but rock house when passive XD
So Sponge takes info to the grave but I wasn't nk-Ed, so mehhhh.
Umasi was still roleblocked? Someone town on him then. Sup Ignacio? Can protect me at night next? I wouldn't guide a blue role like that though... So do what you will.
Umasi confirmed NOT the Vig or SK though.
I have to catch up from 102, gimme time
assuming umasi is not lieing, he can still be Vig , just not SK
PHALSE. You reminded me by this that he could still be either. No moar bloo phishing
actually if hes the sk and he got roleblocked, it would be pretty stupid to claim..... cause now the vig know who the sk is...
However gotard does look scummy, i see him as a serious lynch candidate, but who the fuck is running against him to die? Nobody? isnt that strange in and of itself. When there are mutliple scummy people in the game and only one of them is getting votes? shouldnt scum buddies be atleast SEMI-attempting to defend him? It seems to me like scum are okay with this lynch, and that is worrysome. there was no resistance to his case (basically) and i cant imagine people full-bussing when all they would have to do is ask/answer harmless questions and make pro-town moves to do it.
I'm at either Onegu or Xzavier now, but this is a point in favor of Xzav as it stands. This originally looked bad because he's basically soft defending Gotard, but hz voted for Gotard much earlier. If the scumteam was going to bus by that point, there would be no reason for Xzav to make himself look bad by soft defending Gotard and holding off voting for as long as possible, if he knows that Gotard will flip scum anyway.
I'm planning on taking a break for the night to clear my head. In the morning I'll read filters yet again, and read my Onegu case and post it if I still find it convincing.
Mmmh. Xzavier not jokin anymore. Yeah they were joke posts, but defense thyself, generally. Why aren't you scum? Show me that which you have done which is pro town, and explain thy mistakes. I Dinnae get it with you yet, this is not a case or accusation. I want you to clear it up a bit.
On July 19 2013 11:30 Nightcat99 wrote: I have been diving through the filters, since i very much doubt Hzflank was expecting to die today, I am putting Umasi on my #1 townie list because Hzflank's last post was trying to get you killed.
Second townie is Alakaslam, i very much want to lynch you so i dont have to read your filter, but i think sponge checked you, so i guess we will have to keep you around.
>: )
Wahaha
But no, hs didn't check me, he & I spent hours last night plowing through his case on me, why I thought he was SVENGALI and why he thought I was SCUMSLIP-ing to make the false true. Was actually an unfortunate case of we were both active and forums have this "delay" to them.
Oddly enough I have you to thank partially for that beneficial exchange.
That website, about autocorrect? Shout out to my phone, bless you autocorrect for putting up with my shenanigans on here and even autocorrect ing attempted normal play to my "personable" self XD
Anyway Xzavier you almost ha me making a huge LOL WTF TOTES SCUM post with the Gotard-Umasi swap, glad I checked that before losing it.
Well now, Superflous. You lurk much! You die next if'nn you doesn't return CHOP CHOP THIS DAY-PHASE!
... Assuming town is cool with that? Who is cool with that? Any takers?
If anyone is planning on staying in Arizona- I mean anywhere in the state- bring a damn 3000 watt bug zapper. I have like 10 bites and cannot sleep, night has hardly begun. Swatting like mad
On July 20 2013 12:49 Nightcat99 wrote: I just notice something, Hz and xzavier had no interaction what so ever from day 1. they never quoted each other, never call each other town or scum. its almost like they didn't need to check each others filter at all.
What does everyone else think about this?
Nice insight, good job- you are now significantly better at scum hunting than me.
I find it odd that only Umasi and I seem to have noticed
On July 20 2013 12:36 Xzavier wrote: Im on phone now. and reasoning for lynching aqua is his lurking. if he does enough to atone for his sins my position can be changed. As far as hzflank: the biggest thing i picked up was the umasi thing. Ill check back and look more in depth at his posts about super.
Helllllllooooooooooo town! Earth to town!
Aqua is in obs... Only scum game I ever played obs could comment in scum chat so
On July 15 2013 05:46 Hurricane Sponge wrote: I'd be on board for a gotard hammer if someone can make a good case that mafia are on this wagon pushing for a mislynch.
You don't think that Mafia are on that wagon? From my position you are on the scummy wagon.
I am reading Gotard again. I did not think that the cases against him were strong, but on the other hand Gotard's filter after 24 hours was horrible. The problem that I have with reading his more recent posts is that I am struggling to separate an alignment read from a personality read. I think Gotard could very well be scum, but I still think that Super is more likely.
If you look at Chrom's defense of Super, almost every point was that it was bad play rather than scum play. When you make that many consecutive defenses and call them all bad play then alarm bells should be ringing.
Elaborate on this if you can, hz.
Gotard is scummy. Stim is still at least in the top 5 of my scum list. Nightcat is a lurker who just randomly added his vote. Chrom is neutral at best. At best that wagon has 2 scummy, 2 neutral and 2 townie players on it.
The other wagon has Umasi, who I think is townie. Xzavier who is neutral (too much lurking, his posts are not good enough to make up for that that much lurking) and Koshi. Some other people have been calling Koshi scum recently, but I have him as neutral.
Mmmmmmmmm nope. I like Chrom's answer better:
On July 15 2013 05:48 Chromatically wrote: The three scummiest people in the game (Kirby, Koshi, Xzav) are on the Super wagon.
& like I said this makes no sense.
These three scummiest in the game? What about jkirby & superfluous? Righto, Svengali. Wide eyes, mesmerized, ain't he clever? Righto, Svengali!
Obviously I felt the two candidates were scummier. Don't take your deficient reading comprehension out on me.
Onegu where is your case on me for sayin it twice now?
And the fact that you thought these isn't the point, that would just be captain hindsight. It would just mean you liked the idea that there were very likely 5 scum in the game.
No, it means that the people who I trusted the least were on one bandwagon compared to people I trusted more on another. I can't believe you've never explored this avenue of logic. It's pretty intuitive.
This has nothing to do with my meta ideas though
This is just tunnel coming from trying to express that somehow
So take with salt
Do I look intuitive to you?
This actually makes stronger a previous point of mine regarding myself.
However I now believe I can help town by this, which is so hard by phone I actually got to a PC. (I need to get P.O. Numbers for my fuel purchases anyway).
EPT
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