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On June 30 2013 06:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: Cool. If nobody counterclaims the next step is that the third party (if here) is going to protect you. Also there are two potential millers in the game. A counter-claim doesn't mean one is necessarily lying. | ||
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On June 30 2013 06:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: There is no way there are 2 millers in the game so cut talking about that as a possibility already. Know something we don't? The op lists two possible millers as roles. | ||
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On June 30 2013 06:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: Stutters what do you think about Lazer's post? Also what do you think about WoS' posts? I think he's lazy and didn't read the op/didn't comprehend, nbd. WoS I'm not sure. My French is really rusty so I haven't even really tried to read them but I don't like the fact he's typing in a way clearly everyone won't understand. Can't really judge it this early without just WIFOMing myself for ages. | ||
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To answer the main question though, it was early d1. I wanted to see how he'd react to an accusation. I did find it weird he was so sure there was 1 miller and there is the possibility he could be scum and assume because he/his teammate got RB he accidentally slipped that town had to have better PRs than miller. Obviously since no one else claimed, it is impossible, but after the triple cop claim and double mason fiasco in Les Mis I'm a bit weary of people who "know"how the setup is supposed to be. With that said though his reaction and thought process makes him the towniest motherfucker here. Especially after themed, I really doubt he'd be scum. Now catching up. | ||
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I would like to hear his contradiction on WoS though. | ||
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The miller stuff is eh (a lot more damming now with Vivax's post however). Like it isn't an unreasonable assumption and his reaction to my "scummiest post in the thread" was almost exactly how I'd react. I'd expect scum to be much more concerned with justifying their stance immediately rather than just laugh it off and not elaborate until pressure is on them. I reacted almost identically to an accusation from vivax in roulette that I felt was ridiculous. In addition to that, he's one of the most active players. I can pull specifics if you want but that's the rundown. | ||
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Although I do think accepting a miller claim isn't unreasonable. It essentially is just having someone say "hey, don't check me because you'll waste your power (pre-parity announcement) and cause a mislynch." It doesn't in any way confirm Marv, but ensures he is judged on the basis of his actual play. That he's so sure Marv is town is worrisome but I can see where he is coming from to a certain extent. I also don't like how many people are slipping by saying absolutely nothing. Even if we lynch him we should hear his reads and force these hardcore lurkers to post something. | ||
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This is how I always play. My day 1 reads are notoriously bad. I find generating discussion to be a much better use of my time. | ||
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On I don't understand what most of his posts say and the parts i understand are retarded connection cases. I actually was looking at him earlier and had the same July 01 2013 04:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: Has anyone played with gumshoe before? I would like to hear some more from him but even with his association cases he's said nothing that isn't obvious. Even his scum read on me is solely for your read on me at the time and that I disappeared after you put pressure on me. Feels kind of like contributing without really contributing. | ||
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I'm not sure about your theory of oats and JJD off of them showing up around the same time but that can be addressed later after we see his flip. If I were scum and not going all in on a LYLO I'd probably avoid a situation like that. I can also understand the inverse though, so I'd consider that null. I had forgotten about JJD though, which is something that happened frequently when I first saw his scum play. He played the lurker card to a tee. I'd definitely lynch him d1 over Rayn right now. | ||
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I didn't have time to type up a case last night but this post is why I'd be ok seeing Fuba hang. On July 01 2013 07:00 mkfuba07 wrote: Oh wow. I wake up and there's over 100 more posts. Apologies in advance for the giant post. A lot has happened. Some stream of consciousness thoughts as I catch up: Vayne entering the thread with thread analysis on D1 was as surprising for me as it appears it was for WoS XD I don't see the scumminess from Lazer's 6th post (Is it this one? "Marv, which game were you fake claiming miller?"), so could you explain it Vayne? Oats's vote on rayn was interesting, because I didn't think of rayn's actions from that persepective. The thing is, though, rayn had thought the situation through. The way oats presents it is as though rayn simply saw marv claim miller, and accepted it as true. Then went on to buddy him. This is clearly not what happened. s0Lstice's first post was interesting (I'm gonna end up saying "interesting" a lot. Too tired at the moment to not be repetitive). First of all, I don't see how that progression indicates Stutters as scum. I found him most suspicious for the aggression so early, not that his reasoning was flawed regarding scum and millers. It's also pretty weird that s0L says Lazer is suspicious for spending so much time thinking about the miller claim when he just gave a town read to rayn, who has apparently spent just as much time doing so. s0L did mention Vivax, who I failed to comment on earlier. The passive shit flinging is something I'd missed, but it seems legit. Why even mention marv being less active so far when he mentioned little more than an hour before that he was going to be pretty inactive for a while? The self-conscious bit I pretty much ignored, since I'm that way every time I post, but I'm keeping the first point in mind. Vivax's first post after returning actually had a really good point in it. Not that what marv did was scummy, but that the miller claim definitely can't be taken as a town tell now. Rayn followed that post with this: "No it's not. Fakeclaiming miller 5min into the game is dumb and unnecessary as scum and if someone was dumb enough to fakeclaim after marv we had a 50% chance to right out catch them by having them post the role PM first." I'm starting to see what oats was getting at, now. Rayn seems incapable of believing marv is scum, even though it's been shown that the claim is unreliable. Like, in that quote, while admitting the possibility of a fakeclaim, he refuses to believe it could be marv lying. Lazermonkey: My experience with Vayne is that I can't read him for shit. Well, I mean, I guess I kind of could early on in Roulette, when I found he had "scum potential, but was not necessarily scummy". I'd definitely trust WoS's analysis of Vayne's scum play, especially if Vayne doesn't contest it himself (unless they're both scum... so take that with a grain of salt). Vivax: "I'm really curious to see which name marv will claim." Why will that actually matter at this point? Caught up~~ Man, you guys post a lot. So, current thoughts. Oats is acting almost exactly like he was as town in Roulette. The difference is his approach to pushing his lynch, which seems more persuasive, as opposed to commanding. I think he mentioned at the end of Roulette that he was going to work on that, and his play this game is consistent with that. He's probably my strongest townread at the moment. Vayne hasn't actually said all that much. I appreciated his first post, then he kind of disappeared. Not much to say. Would still like to know what's so scummy about that Lazer post. Stutters: Not entirely sure what to think. His explanation for the aggression is pretty much a null tell. He does seem to be posting more than I remember, but the content is mostly defending himself. He also says we should discuss other players, but doesn't suggest any himself. Still very "vayne from roulette"-y for me. Vivax: I like what he's said about rayn, wasn't impressed by marv's supposed scumminess for not posting his full role PM. That assumes that town marv would have naturally posted his role PM when claiming miller, something that I don't think is a natural inclination. The fact that he went into Carnival Cruise and found evidence of rayn's previous reactions to miller claims gives him some townie points. Overall, slight town, though he's apparently thinking about marv a lot, which I find strange given that marv hasn't really been here at all. marv: Come back to us, dear. ^^ rayn: After Vivax's marv post, I expected rayn to be less insistent on him being confirmed town. It would have been *much* easier for scum to fakeclaim miller in this situation than I thought, and I don't see how this isn't obvious from a town perspective. Add to that Vivax's case, where he points out that rayn accepts the existence of a miller at face value, and I'm pretty convinced. He's far too eager to accept the claim as truth, when it should now have little effect on the mind of a townie. My only reluctance to vote for him is his activity level, which I tend to associate with town. ##Vote: raynpelikoneet Everyone else is gonna need a filter dive, and I'm going to have to reread the posts I read while writing this, but I feel comfortable with my The first half is just his observations vote where it is. First, remember after the post Rayne jumped on me for he said I reminded him of Vayne in Roulette (scummy but town by PoE to pretty much everyone in the thread if you haven't read it). First half is all summaries, meaningless since anyone reading the thread would know those events. Probably null, maybe slightly scummy. His point on Oats is decent, and pretty much how I feel, nothing wrong there. Vayne: null, nothing of value except a question that he's never here to follow up on. Me: Says my actions are null to scummy but I remind him of a townie from the last game we played? Why is this Fuba? Scared to take a stance? Vivax: only slight town yet he has nothing bad to say about him. Why only slight town? Again not very committal. Marv: useless fluff Rayne: Essentially agrees with Vivax on who is scum and why yet neglects any other posts from Rayn to show a scum mindset or any individual thought. Essentially his entire post is trying to cover up the fact that all he is doing is agreeing with Vivax. Where is your usual analysis Fuba? | ||
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On July 02 2013 01:27 Vivax wrote: Don't you think that post is analysis? Why would scum try to cover up that they're agreeing with me? Is it dangerous for them to agree with me? It's nothing so much to do with you as both the difficulty in making a genuine case as scum coupled with the fact that sheeping is a null tell as opposed to making it look like original thought to get town cred. | ||
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Care to respond to my case Fuba, why shouldn't we lynch you? | ||
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I'll read up on WoS/Lazer but is there a particular thing you don't like about my Fuba case? | ||
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Oats asked why I'm scum: "yhea, filters are really hard to read, no?" Dodges the question "Stutters has done less scummy things than JJD" What things? Coupled with Vivax's case, this seems like a good lynch. | ||
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Well WoS's most recent post has me thinking he might be scum. I'm literally WoS' only scum-read this game. He jumps on my wagon and sheeps Vivax and Rayn (with his only unique reasoning being that I didn't feel like translating his worthless posts in French because I was phone posting). He twice emphasizes his doubt of my wagon by virtue of four people already being on it. BUT WAIT On July 01 2013 03:59 WaveofShadow wrote: lol speaking of Rayn grasping at straws, (somebody mentioned that earlier..?) I certainly love his case on me. For a guy who talks a lot about towny perspectives, he doesn't even remotely consider the fact that me saying I have nothing to say can be from a towny perspective at all, cause, you know, I had nothing to say at the time. The contradiction he comes up with is not a contradiction at all in my eyes, but I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, right? I also especially love how hard he pushes me as his main scumread. I'm still not convinced that he is scum though and I want to look closer when I get the chance at his very recent scumgame as compared to something like CC. Stutters I was thinking of unvoting you but your recent post gives me pause. You just look so afraid to take a stance on anything. C'est scummy. Ladies and gents I'm out until later tonight; kid is at the grandparents for the night and you can sure as hell bet I'm not spending free time with the wife at the computer. He literally hasn't taken a stance on anything to this point and waffled on me because the wagon was too easy when thats literally the exact same thing he said my most recent post was scummy for. After that he does his summary thing which shows no real analysis just worthless summaries of what we already know. Wat is this waffly shit? So no read on me, he thinks Vivax looks bad but ACTUALLY I don't want to kill him, and the tone of that last sentence makes me laugh. 'Guys we should probably kill JarJar, if that's ok with you........' Maybe that's me reading into it a bit too much but there's a difference between 'We need to kill JJD right now.' and 'We really should kill JarJar......' Its those damn ellipses or something. Yeah I'd defs lynch Lazer atm. Worth noting though is he attacks Lazer for saying Vivax is scummy but he still wanted to lynch JJD because Vivax is active and although his tunneling felt scummy it isn't a scumtell of itself. Maybe I'm misinterpreting him, but half his points against Lazer are for using ellipses? Seriously. Also note despite saying he'd lynch him at this point, he doesn't mention Lazer again in his filter. He follows that up with indecisive posts on Vivax and Rayn. Finally his players he wants to look into post: On July 02 2013 11:25 WaveofShadow wrote: Players I want to look into/talk to when I get the chance: Marv - I find personal interaction with him to be the best way I get a read of him; I don't know what his scum game looks like so I'm still kind of wary about him. Fuba - His townplay was really strong in Roulette and I see bits and pieces of it here but his lack of activity muddled it up somewhat, and it's different than the lack of activity he exhibited in Roulette. In that game he came in strong and performed strong analysis when necessary....here there was much more fluff to his posting that rubs me the wrong way amidst the good posts. Stutters - Still think he's scum. His performance is a lot better than the half of the game I was there for but there's still stuff like this: Never gives the aforementioned reads and his 'case' on Fuba is incredibly weak and only points out the glaringly obvious that many had pointed out earlier. The conclusion makes sense somewhat as I agree that Fuba's regular analysis was lacking here and all the conclusions he reaches amount to 'I'm not sure',' but it's not much of a case and I could see it as a bus. Then Vivax comes in and critiques the case a little and what happens? Immediately ready to drop it and push it to the backburner instead of coming back and trying to push it more strongly. This is not a towny who has a strong scumread, this is scum who was hoping he could do some weak analysis and then jump on sheep someone else. Marv - "I dont know so I'm going to look at him" very helpful Fuba - Says the same thing I and multiple others have said. Notice that, once again, there is no conclusion only observations. Me- Hey a definitive stance! On me again . Here's why I think this is scummy. First, obviously how non-committal he is while also using that as his sole point against me. Second: Blatant misrepresentation. I still maintain my case on Fuba is pretty damn strong, he still is doing exactly what I laid out. That one is subjective though, whatever. "Never gives the aforementioned reads": This one bugs me. He completely ignores that I agreed with Vivax's case AND provided additional information that helped to secure his lynch pre-claim. Obviously it was wrong and forced a claim which sucks, but that is taking a stance. Notice how he also tries to pin promised reads on me when I said "I will read up on them later." Blatant misrepresentation to strengthen his case. The last part of his post is taken completely out of the context of the thread to make me look worse. I was on the chopping block at that point and would have been mislynched through towns passivity. Vivax had been expressing his disagreement with my Fuba case for hours and we had town reads on each other. I needed to work with someone to find a good lynch to both stop my mislynch and maximize the odds of hitting scum. | ||
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On July 03 2013 01:23 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm not sure how you think this would happen. Stutters have you really never been mislynched? I'm trying to think of games we've been in together and I know you're under the gun pretty often for your activity and such. I'm willing to accept your explanation regarding Vivax as it does seem to fit but as I said earlier I'd like to see something new from you that doesn't seem to echo his sentiments, and since he's not here apparently, this would be the perfect time. What are your thoughts regarding Lazer or gumshoe currently? Do you still feel the same way about Fuba? Outside of WLIIA, and that was clearly the best option in that game. Marv can explain better prob, I think it was his idea. Fuba is still #1 scum to me. He's dodging questions and his responses have been non-specific summaries where he just calls people scum instead of showing why they are through analysis. Gumshoe I need to dive similarly to how I did you. That's coming up next. With the mass claim Lazer is a non factor. I'm assuming he isn't going to be counterclaimed and that means he must be dead in 2 nights or he'll start confirming people left and right and scum is fucked if they can even survive a mass claim. If he's still alive we re-evaluate then, until then we don't lynch him. | ||
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Gonna look over both of them then hang on. | ||
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Gonna be pretty inactive until morning. Wanted to check in just in case we were claiming. | ||
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When he claimed and said he was blue as opposed to a PR, he claimed being vengeful/vet, practically ensuring he wasn't shot over night and nullifying any benefit of his Vengeful role. It's not an unreasonable assumption to assume scum wouldn't expect every PR to be in the game as well so if they knew You/Lazer were truthful claiming that they're Vet/Venge guarantees they don't die overnight. Only consolation is he claimed before Vivax so he'd be taking a large unecessary risk. Think there is any chance he's scum? I'm kinda leaning he's telling the truth by necessity. | ||
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On July 04 2013 00:45 marvellosity wrote: There's no difference between blue and PR, they're the same lingo. i.e. he could have been vigilante. I'd say that how his explanation came about (opposing / uncomfortable with massclaiming ----> being blue) does make sense. Well by saying PR I was including the possibility of the 3p in there but i guess it doesnt really matter. Its just weird he brings that up when there is literally no upside to saying that at night when the best possible thing that could happen is he eats a nk. | ||
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I just don't think we should be taking this as lightly as we are. | ||
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If I was him yesterday, as soon as Fuba claimed and was confirmed scum to him it's like he gave up on trying argue his way or of it. That's not at all what I would have done as 3p when if he tried to talk his way out of it and was successful town can't save anymore kp, he doesn't block and scum claim the next day and the 4 laugh to victory. And even if he fails to talk himself out of it, he has a counterclaim still with solid reasoning behind why he didn't expose him. Granted scum could have truly sold it by having Fuba claim a RB on WoS but his emphasis on how he didn't want to throw scum under the bus yet made no effort to actually do anything makes me think he wanted Fuba to die, which a 3p shouldn't. I'm having a hard time reconciling his actions from a 3p perspective when given what he knew at the time his quickest way to victory was to not claim. Do you think there was no way he wasn't getting lynched without the claim despite how much time was left in the day? | ||
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His initial case on s0l is bad and provides him plenty of outs later. I think s0l is scummy in his own right from his continued posting but this was a bad case. Possibly setting up for a bus? Je ne sais pas I'll explore that more after doing s0l and going over Fuba's filter. Next big thing to me is his role claim. Obviously now that we know scum have fake claims this is null. Onto the mass role claim business. I'm not really sure what to make of his thoughts on this matter. He's gung-ho for the idea which is null but this quote stuck with me: "I vote yes to mass claim. We will definately get counterclaims, meaning we choose a pair and @ worst get a 50/50 shot." It made sense before we learned the specifics of the game but what bugs me is how he doesn't even consider the possibility of fakeclaims or that the game would be over. Not damning on its own but keep it in mind with his claim that in any normal game would be laughable and not have saved him. If he had a claim he'd know he could get away with this. Moving forward, after his gumshoe push falters, he wants to lynch WoS. What happened with his scum read on s0l? Feels like he's just going with the flow instead of actually wanting to find scum. He then defends Fuba. He showed in Les Mis he had no problem giving out a town read to a scumbuddy. It also makes sense with what I'm seeing here which is JJD/scum attempting to go all in on a n2/d3 victory. Losing Fuba d1 would have ruined that and he would have known that the mass claim would have fucked them if they couldn't end the game quick. He backtracks on the vig call once Rayn points out how it could be game over n2. He would think that as either alignment, but when the idea wasn't picking up a lot of traction it feels to me like he was focused more on how he looked than saying it because a vig might seriously be considering it. His list post bugs me too. He emphasizes how he needs to be shot since the mass claim is looming so he'll probably die, but with a mass claim and the assumption scum doesn't have safe claims he is utterly inconsequential when compared to killing people who have established track records of goodanalysis. Again he's emphasizing how he's confirmed, like we shouldn't even bother looking at him. Notice he's also still keeping s0l not as one of his main candidates despite adding Marv to his top scummers for no reason. After Fuba goes 3p claim he goes hardcore bus on him despite calling him town d1. Because I'm working hardcore right now I haven't gotten through all of his filter with this analysis but it's more of the same shit. I'll get to s0l when I have more time and finish JJD if you guys aren't convinced. TLDR: let's lynch JJD then s0l and win. Also once JJD flips scum Marv and Lazer are confirmed town based off of his desire for the vig on them. | ||
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On July 06 2013 22:43 JarJarDrinks wrote: Huh? Why is that the only claim he could have had? WoS had Vig and I believe he's 3p. A second lynch target getting out of it via claiming VT wouldn't fly, especially with Marv back in the thread and I believe Marv(much to Vivax's dismay I'm sure), Gum, and Vivax are town so his only options are miller or none. Also to get you off this WoS scum theory, can you please explain why two people of their nature would fuck up something as simple as WoS claiming RB'd vigi when all Fuba has to do is say he JK'd WoS and they might get out of the lynch and really fucked us d2. By extension Vivax must be town since if not withholding KP is straight retarded to verify a vet claim on someone who wasn't a d2 candidate when they could have done the same thing with Fuba instead of Vivax and get him off the lynch block. Vivax also could have potentially pulled off the late Miller claim when you take into account his history in like LIX. Think about it | ||
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On July 06 2013 23:17 JarJarDrinks wrote: Wait. You just changed your story. You said that the reason was because only miller was available to him. Now you're saying the reason is because people wouldn't allow a 2nd VT claim? Last post on your stupid questions. No I didn't change my story, I'm explaining in a completely plausible way what could have happened and why your theory is bad based on actions in the game. Obviously he had miller+ whatever roles his partners had (which my post pretty clearly shows would be VTs IMO) however I'm explaining that anyone halfway decent at mafia wouldn't have let him escape the noose by a VT claim after you already had, especially with his shitty posting. If they had a safe blue I bet he would have claimed it but as I explained they obviously didn't. | ||
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Also there isn't really much I could divine from Fubas filter. There are some weird moments regarding JJD/Vivax/Oats/s0l but nothing I'd be comfortable basing such an important decision off of over my previous analysis. | ||
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Also WoS is a safe lynch. I must admit I'm curious to see who they'd push next lol. | ||
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On July 08 2013 07:02 Vivax wrote: I didn't say I would keep playing like this. It's a temporary solution. Also, what the flying fuck vivax? | ||
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WoS stop posting enjoy the win, don't be dumb and roleblock anyone or scum will shoot you tomorrow night out of necessity. Just vote Vivax since he's town as I explained to JJD. Last post before endgame probably, gg. | ||
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Seriously, last post, I'm drunk, gg you guys deserve this. | ||
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GG Marv Maybe my appeal to WoS heart worked if he actually is 3p. After this play though I'm starting to think that's not a guarantee that my analysis of the Fuba/WoS claim is accurate if they shot Rayn and now managed to not win in the easiest way possible. Well looks like it's either oats or WoS. Gonna look into this. | ||
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Please don't do that, gg everyone was fun. | ||
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Here's the scum one http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/6mkUMU8QdTPF | ||
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I've got to agree with iGrok about the scum team. Fubas interaction with me was awesome and s0l was always flirting with getting lynched without actually getting lynched which made my job so easy. | ||
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On July 09 2013 18:18 marvellosity wrote: why did the game end? didn't town have 3 votes on s0lstice first? edit: Vivax fucked it up by not voting, or? I was the third vote. Vivax hadn't voted for God knows why so once WoS did I switched. | ||
Stutters695
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On July 09 2013 21:20 Lazermonkey wrote: GG wp scum. What do you guys think of my play? I don't think this game was so scum favoured tbh, maybe slightly but town didn't really play that well. WoS, I seriously belive you played survivor the "wrong" way. First off, as marv said earlier, you can die in two ways, either by lynch or by scum shooting you. One of these you can control, the other you cannot. TBH, the theory behind playing survivor should be kinda easy, at least in this setup.. 1. Claim survivor. Scum now know you are survivor so they will not shoot you, the only way you can die is by getting lynched. 2. Play for town. Town now knows you are either scum or survivor and by playing for town you eliminate the risk of getting lynched. If scum is winning, then take that as a nice bonus. But always play for town. This is at least my thoughts on the matter- I think he played pretty well because as soon as he saves someone he's pro town in my eyes and I have to shoot him. Sure we waste 1kp, but after a save he's demonstrated that he's pro town and I'd rather take the chance on being absolutely sure and not risk getting stopped again and wasting a second anyway. As you saw he was completely safe claiming d2. The only reason he almost got lynched was town indecisiveness about who was scum and the numbers not working in his favor on the second to last day. That probably would be the same scenario if he was pro-town all game too though as it was the best play available for town if they weren't sure between JJD/S0l. His d2 claim was also really good. We instantly knew he was 3p when he claimed RB and left us with the ability to corroborate his story but we fucked it up. | ||
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On July 09 2013 09:58 iGrok wrote: Also stutters, what the fuck on that s0lstice vote man. balls of titanium. Vivax votes, s0l dies right there. Just saw this. I had no choice really. If I'm not there in a situation where the timing of the votes are everything I might as well claim scum. My vote was entirely irrelevant because regardless of if I'm not voting/voting s0l if Vivax votes before WoS s0l is dead. Yes there is that slight window where vivax could vote after WoS but before I get my vote in but I was pretty confident I could convince gumshoe to lynch oats off of that line of reasoning based on him leaving me out of all of his scum team speculation I felt he had a pretty strong town read on me. I tried to be conservative with any game winning plays because I felt pretty confident in us winning a straight up game as well. | ||
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On July 10 2013 01:40 WaveofShadow wrote: OH LOL I FORGOT TO MENTION I knew Stutters was scum (but forgot again) later on in the game because he volunteered to be scum coach in BH's newbie game and I knew he hadn't played a scumgame yet. Wouldn't make sense, lol. Lol I actually didn't volunteer for scum, he put me in it originally. | ||
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On July 10 2013 04:47 iGrok wrote: This is circular logic. If Vivax hasn't voted yet, then you don't need to vote because a townie is also not there at deadline. Still, it worked. GJ I disagree because Vivax is confirmed town by s0l calling for WoS to vote him. If s0l dies Vivax is confirmed town and it's a case of Vivax being Vivax. Given the general amount of setup speculation/planning I do I have no reason at all to justify not being there to vote when the game is on the line when anyone who has played multiple games with me and was involved would probably realize that as soon as I read your clarification I would realize that it wasn't actually game until we quickvoted with WoS. Maybe I'm over thinking it lol | ||
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On July 10 2013 05:50 gonzaw wrote: Stutters was finally scum!? omg Lol, yeah it was a blast. Now I get the feeling though my standard 6-8 page occasionally insightful, usually worthless town play will get me mislynched like a motherfucker though | ||
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