Basterd Mini Mafia

On June 30 2013 06:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Cool. If nobody counterclaims the next step is that the third party (if here) is going to protect you.

On June 30 2013 06:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
There is no way there are 2 millers in the game so cut talking about that as a possibility already.

On June 30 2013 06:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Stutters what do you think about Lazer's post?
Also what do you think about WoS' posts?

On July 01 2013 07:00 mkfuba07 wrote:
Oh wow. I wake up and there's over 100 more posts. Apologies in advance for the giant post. A lot has happened. Some stream of consciousness thoughts as I catch up:

Vayne entering the thread with thread analysis on D1 was as surprising for me as it appears it was for WoS XD I don't see the scumminess from Lazer's 6th post (Is it this one? "Marv, which game were you fake claiming miller?"), so could you explain it Vayne?

Oats's vote on rayn was interesting, because I didn't think of rayn's actions from that persepective. The thing is, though, rayn had thought the situation through. The way oats presents it is as though rayn simply saw marv claim miller, and accepted it as true. Then went on to buddy him. This is clearly not what happened.

s0Lstice's first post was interesting (I'm gonna end up saying "interesting" a lot. Too tired at the moment to not be repetitive). First of all, I don't see how that progression indicates Stutters as scum. I found him most suspicious for the aggression so early, not that his reasoning was flawed regarding scum and millers. It's also pretty weird that s0L says Lazer is suspicious for spending so much time thinking about the miller claim when he just gave a town read to rayn, who has apparently spent just as much time doing so. s0L did mention Vivax, who I failed to comment on earlier. The passive shit flinging is something I'd missed, but it seems legit. Why even mention marv being less active so far when he mentioned little more than an hour before that he was going to be pretty inactive for a while? The self-conscious bit I pretty much ignored, since I'm that way every time I post, but I'm keeping the first point in mind.

Vivax's first post after returning actually had a really good point in it. Not that what marv did was scummy, but that the miller claim definitely can't be taken as a town tell now. Rayn followed that post with this: "No it's not. Fakeclaiming miller 5min into the game is dumb and unnecessary as scum and if someone was dumb enough to fakeclaim after marv we had a 50% chance to right out catch them by having them post the role PM first." I'm starting to see what oats was getting at, now. Rayn seems incapable of believing marv is scum, even though it's been shown that the claim is unreliable. Like, in that quote, while admitting the possibility of a fakeclaim, he refuses to believe it could be marv lying.

Lazermonkey: My experience with Vayne is that I can't read him for shit. Well, I mean, I guess I kind of could early on in Roulette, when I found he had "scum potential, but was not necessarily scummy". I'd definitely trust WoS's analysis of Vayne's scum play, especially if Vayne doesn't contest it himself (unless they're both scum... so take that with a grain of salt).

Vivax: "I'm really curious to see which name marv will claim." Why will that actually matter at this point?

Caught up~~

Man, you guys post a lot.

So, current thoughts. Oats is acting almost exactly like he was as town in Roulette. The difference is his approach to pushing his lynch, which seems more persuasive, as opposed to commanding. I think he mentioned at the end of Roulette that he was going to work on that, and his play this game is consistent with that. He's probably my strongest townread at the moment.

Vayne hasn't actually said all that much. I appreciated his first post, then he kind of disappeared. Not much to say. Would still like to know what's so scummy about that Lazer post.

Stutters: Not entirely sure what to think. His explanation for the aggression is pretty much a null tell. He does seem to be posting more than I remember, but the content is mostly defending himself. He also says we should discuss other players, but doesn't suggest any himself. Still very "vayne from roulette"-y for me.

Vivax: I like what he's said about rayn, wasn't impressed by marv's supposed scumminess for not posting his full role PM. That assumes that town marv would have naturally posted his role PM when claiming miller, something that I don't think is a natural inclination. The fact that he went into Carnival Cruise and found evidence of rayn's previous reactions to miller claims gives him some townie points. Overall, slight town, though he's apparently thinking about marv a lot, which I find strange given that marv hasn't really been here at all.

marv: Come back to us, dear. ^^

rayn: After Vivax's marv post, I expected rayn to be less insistent on him being confirmed town. It would have been *much* easier for scum to fakeclaim miller in this situation than I thought, and I don't see how this isn't obvious from a town perspective. Add to that Vivax's case, where he points out that rayn accepts the existence of a miller at face value, and I'm pretty convinced. He's far too eager to accept the claim as truth, when it should now have little effect on the mind of a townie. My only reluctance to vote for him is his activity level, which I tend to associate with town.

##Vote: raynpelikoneet

Everyone else is gonna need a filter dive, and I'm going to have to reread the posts I read while writing this, but I feel comfortable with my The first half is just his observations vote where it is.

On July 02 2013 01:27 Vivax wrote:


Don't you think that post is analysis?
Why would scum try to cover up that they're agreeing with me? Is it dangerous for them to agree with me?

On July 01 2013 03:59 WaveofShadow wrote:
lol speaking of Rayn grasping at straws, (somebody mentioned that earlier..?) I certainly love his case on me.
For a guy who talks a lot about towny perspectives, he doesn't even remotely consider the fact that me saying I have nothing to say can be from a towny perspective at all, cause, you know, I had nothing to say at the time. The contradiction he comes up with is not a contradiction at all in my eyes, but I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, right?

I also especially love how hard he pushes me as his main scumread.
I'm still not convinced that he is scum though and I want to look closer when I get the chance at his very recent scumgame as compared to something like CC.

Stutters I was thinking of unvoting you but your recent post gives me pause. You just look so afraid to take a stance on anything. C'est scummy.

Ladies and gents I'm out until later tonight; kid is at the grandparents for the night and you can sure as hell bet I'm not spending free time with the wife at the computer.

Wat is this waffly shit? So no read on me, he thinks Vivax looks bad but ACTUALLY I don't want to kill him, and the tone of that last sentence makes me laugh. 'Guys we should probably kill JarJar, if that's ok with you........' Maybe that's me reading into it a bit too much but there's a difference between 'We need to kill JJD right now.' and 'We really should kill JarJar......' Its those damn ellipses or something.
Yeah I'd defs lynch Lazer atm.

On July 02 2013 11:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
Players I want to look into/talk to when I get the chance:
Marv - I find personal interaction with him to be the best way I get a read of him; I don't know what his scum game looks like so I'm still kind of wary about him.
Fuba - His townplay was really strong in Roulette and I see bits and pieces of it here but his lack of activity muddled it up somewhat, and it's different than the lack of activity he exhibited in Roulette. In that game he came in strong and performed strong analysis when necessary....here there was much more fluff to his posting that rubs me the wrong way amidst the good posts.
Stutters - Still think he's scum. His performance is a lot better than the half of the game I was there for but there's still stuff like this:

Never gives the aforementioned reads and his 'case' on Fuba is incredibly weak and only points out the glaringly obvious that many had pointed out earlier. The conclusion makes sense somewhat as I agree that Fuba's regular analysis was lacking here and all the conclusions he reaches amount to 'I'm not sure',' but it's not much of a case and I could see it as a bus.
Then Vivax comes in and critiques the case a little and what happens?

Immediately ready to drop it and push it to the backburner instead of coming back and trying to push it more strongly. This is not a towny who has a strong scumread, this is scum who was hoping he could do some weak analysis and then jump on sheep someone else.

On July 03 2013 01:23 WaveofShadow wrote:

I'm not sure how you think this would happen.

Stutters have you really never been mislynched? I'm trying to think of games we've been in together and I know you're under the gun pretty often for your activity and such. I'm willing to accept your explanation regarding Vivax as it does seem to fit but as I said earlier I'd like to see something new from you that doesn't seem to echo his sentiments, and since he's not here apparently, this would be the perfect time.
What are your thoughts regarding Lazer or gumshoe currently? Do you still feel the same way about Fuba?

On July 04 2013 00:45 marvellosity wrote:


There's no difference between blue and PR, they're the same lingo. i.e. he could have been vigilante.

I'd say that how his explanation came about (opposing / uncomfortable with massclaiming ----> being blue) does make sense.

On July 06 2013 22:43 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Huh? Why is that the only claim he could have had?

On July 06 2013 23:17 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Wait. You just changed your story. You said that the reason was because only miller was available to him. Now you're saying the reason is because people wouldn't allow a 2nd VT claim?

On July 08 2013 07:02 Vivax wrote:


I didn't say I would keep playing like this.
It's a temporary solution.

On July 09 2013 18:18 marvellosity wrote:
why did the game end? didn't town have 3 votes on s0lstice first?

edit: Vivax fucked it up by not voting, or?

On July 09 2013 21:20 Lazermonkey wrote:
GG wp scum.

What do you guys think of my play?

I don't think this game was so scum favoured tbh, maybe slightly but town didn't really play that well.

WoS, I seriously belive you played survivor the "wrong" way. First off, as marv said earlier, you can die in two ways, either by lynch or by scum shooting you. One of these you can control, the other you cannot. TBH, the theory behind playing survivor should be kinda easy, at least in this setup..

1. Claim survivor. Scum now know you are survivor so they will not shoot you, the only way you can die is by getting lynched.
2. Play for town. Town now knows you are either scum or survivor and by playing for town you eliminate the risk of getting lynched.

If scum is winning, then take that as a nice bonus. But always play for town. This is at least my thoughts on the matter-

On July 10 2013 01:40 WaveofShadow wrote:
OH LOL I FORGOT TO MENTION
I knew Stutters was scum (but forgot again) later on in the game because he volunteered to be scum coach in BH's newbie game and I knew he hadn't played a scumgame yet. Wouldn't make sense, lol.

On July 10 2013 05:50 gonzaw wrote:
Stutters was finally scum!? omg