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To be more clear, here are the exact quotes:
The way oats presents it is as though rayn simply saw marv claim miller, and accepted it as true. Then went on to buddy him. This is clearly not what happened.
Add to that Vivax's case, where he points out that rayn accepts the existence of a miller at face value, and I'm pretty convinced.
What Oats said is exactly what i did, as i have already stated. I have already stated my reasons for it. I'm interested in hearing why Fuba can possibly think it was something else in the first place when the posts are like this:
marv: "i'm a miller"
rayn (right after): "now that i know you are town let's work together ok?"
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The thing that bothers me Oats knows how i play, and he should know i am not surely scum based on what i said. He also knows i know how he plays, and him attacking me all phase long and doing nothing more looks town in my eyes, at worst null. I kinda hope scum kill me on N1 so you can judge Oats better. I am not sure he is scum and he is not my top scumread at the moment, but do not judge him just by his D1 play, which is at best horrible. And yeah, him being away is not a scumtell and after rethinking i do not think Oats would have not posted anything if he was able to post, even as scum. He would have tunneled me some more.
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Also Vivax, if you still think i am scum look at this (i'm not really sure how much i can say but this is all about flipped players):
Look at Catch 22 mafia and how i played on D1. Look at how i interact with Hapahauli and marv. Can you see what i am trying to do? Now look at this game. What do you think i had done as scum when you did your 180 when you were drunk?
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marv can probably explain if you don't get it.
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Oats i dropped my scumread on Vivax way before marv apperared.
Thoughts on the lynch and happenings there?
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Why are you saying i dropped my scumread on Vivax right after marv appeared. I have a post one hour before that where i'm willing to accept Vivax's scumread as a suspect. Does that not tell you i have dropped my scumread on him?
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And why do you think we should have lynched WoS? Why not me? Why are you asking marv about me if i am not your scumread any more?
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to be fair you are not anymore now that i have a strong town reads on jarjar/lazer.
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Do you think i am/was bussing WoS?
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On July 01 2013 02:11 Oatsmaster wrote:
OH OH RAYN OATS.
WHERE YOU GO MAN?
TALKING ABOUT IT WITH YOUR SCUMBUDDIES???????
/sarcasm, just had to do this because.
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Oats answer the question:
On July 02 2013 08:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why are you saying i dropped my scumread on Vivax right after marv appeared. I have a post one hour before that where i'm willing to accept Vivax's scumread as a suspect. Does that not tell you i have dropped my scumread on him?
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WoS:
So far people who have done scummy stuff:
Oats, Lazer, JJD, Fuba, rayn, Vivax.
Wants to look into:
marv, Fuba, Stutters.
okay?
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If you are a vigilante shoot Oats. There are multiple instances where he is not even reading the thread to pull off some incredibly ridiculous stuff that's plain out wrong and can't even admit it. He is not playing for town whatever alignment he is.
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On July 02 2013 15:43 Vivax wrote:
I'm against shooting Oats.
Pretty sure the dude is town.
Rayn you have this "habit" to want people dead who want you dead.
You have to realize that he most likely simply is sure that you are scum.
Can you tell me who you will most likely lynch tomorrow, as scum lynch not as pollicy lynch please?
No i can't. I need to reread a lot before telling that. Everybody i have been looking into this game is pretty much town besides Fuba, and even him seems somewhat town.
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Okay so people who are most likely town:
JarJar, Lazer, marv, Vivax, Oats, gumshoe
That leaves me with:
Stutters, Solstice, Fuba, WoS
From those, based on posts i remember right from the top of my head WoS and Fuba look the worst. I am not as certain of gumshoe being town as i was before, so he deserves a relook amongst others.
See you tonight.
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I am not going to do it now. If you got some other suggestions where i should head with let me know. Do you agree that those are the people in need of analyzing or not?
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Should i add or remove someone?
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Solstice is down there because of what i said, everyone upper than him looks more or less town.
JJD's claim timing and the way it came out makes me believe his claim.
Lazer has not been cc'd and i don't believe there is no cop unless marv is not really a miller. Lazer deserves a relook if both of the other blues are in game.
I just went through Stutters. I do not think he's scum. I just don't see why he would be. He's all over the place and this doesn't seem like he is leaving his options open. He has good points regarding Fuba, although his original case on him was not very good.
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