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On July 04 2013 12:23 JarJarDrinks wrote: Anyone want to speculate on what WoS could possibly be talking about here? Not important, this feels like blue hunting. We do not need to press people on they're powers and private info. Furthermore what about WOS's post exonerates you? | ||
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I apologize ) : that was not nice. I dont actually know what you are, but the company you seem to keep is somewhat alarming. | ||
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On July 04 2013 12:30 JarJarDrinks wrote: The subject of name claiming came up AFTER the pause and after my claim. Therefore he got his role after. Then he posted this too Yeah as for Lazer/JJD claims I don't know. I wasn't even around at that point and didn't bother to check the timestamps lol. Meh. I posted this once already, it's on page 84. Dont make me post it again. Also I highly doubt the big kerfuffle had to do with anything other than the claims. Mass claim is the big balance problem with this setup, also I grok requested pms from everyone. The only thing worthy of breaking the game and needing a pause would be Dandel forgetting fake claims. Now does this mean that your scum? No, but it means your claim is no longer bullet proof and neither is Lazers. I would apreciate if you stop treating is as such. | ||
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On July 04 2013 12:38 JarJarDrinks wrote: Actually it's a big deal. If he was given more then 1 role to fakeclaim then wouldn't he know right now that someone is lying? And how the F could I be blue hunting after a mass roleclaim? I'm saying it's like blue hunting. For better or worse WOS is pretty much our blue right now. Also he knows info on other roles, not whose scum exactly. Furthermore why screw scum even more? | ||
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On July 04 2013 12:38 JarJarDrinks wrote: Actually it's a big deal. If he was given more then 1 role to fakeclaim then wouldn't he know right now that someone is lying? And how the F could I be blue hunting after a mass roleclaim? And I'm not discussing it with you anymore, scum could benefit from such knowledge. | ||
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Because he clearly had a fucking safe claim? My god, how can you not see that? I think he *did* have the vigi fakeclaim, but it wasn't turning out as expected, so he jumped on me. Yes, surprisingly scum can tell the truth, especially when the truth is obvious. Ok, I meant to go to sleep, I also meant to be nice to you seeing as your situation sucked. But wtf is this if he so clearly had a scum claim. Sorry for getting back so late, but it looks like a lot of you figured out my role already. I'm Hans Landa - German Survivor Jailkeeper. No jail last night, since it really didn't look like I was going to be NK'd, and after that shitstorm with marv/rayn/lazer/etc there were likely better vigi shots. If WoS is telling the truth, then it looks like scum has a roleblocker and saw him as possibly blue. If he's lying, then... he's scum. To make up for the Vayne lynch a bit (that came way too close for me :S), I'll offer that I, at least, didn't get a fake claim. It feels like if scum had been given fake claims, then I would have gotten one, since this setup makes massclaims really likely, and it feels like it's gonna be really hard to walk that line between town and scum. The first quote proves you had all the information then that you have now, you were aware of WOS's claim to vig. The second has you believing they're are no fake claims. The only thing thats changed since then is that your claim is now at odds now with WOS (WOS's post means nothing to you seeing as you should be of the opinion that everything that comes out of his mouth is a lie and no matter how much you try you will not convince anyone that scum would receive fake claims while third party wouldn't), your ass on the line is the sole reason for this grotesque flip flop. Your finding us stupid is essentially like a scumy looking townie calling everyone bad for not realizing that they're actually town, a fact only they know because of just how terrible they are. Except your not a bad townie, your godawful scum. Get the fuck out of here, you wanna ad homonym me on a hypocritical basis I will in tern bury you verbally and laugh as red scum blood soaks through the softly sifted dirt to a bright green surface world upon which a parade is held by town in celebration of your death, and no not in the Irish way that involves celebrating someones amazing life, I mean a ding dong the witch is dead sort of celebration. I am utterly done talking to you, see you at the flip. Lastly I just want to say if third party DOESNT have a secret role, then one extra setup role is just sitting they're belonging to no one, dangling in mid air. OCD says nope. | ||
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On July 04 2013 14:19 Oatsmaster wrote: Naw man, you can jail yourself. How does that not break universe XD I looked jail keeper up before hand and the wiki or whatever states jail keeper cant defend himself, because hed just block his own ability. If thats ain't the case here I guess Igrok and tl are just gangsta like that. Heres the link. http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Jailkeeper | ||
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On July 04 2013 21:30 JarJarDrinks wrote: Yes. I don't think survivor or mafia were given fakeclaims. That's why I asked if people thought it was possible that both wave and fuba were scum (and I'm still thinking this could be the case). Because they were the last 2 to claim. I mean, if mafia were given blues to fakeclaim they'd know every role included in the game. Doesn't that sound like something that would be unfair to give them? So your proposing that WOS forced himself into a position in which he or his buddy gets shot, with 2 kp on the line? Nah brah, one is survivor one is scum. Also you need to accept that yours and Lazers claims are no longer safe, likewise neither is mine or anyone else's. Yes the massclaim problem in thread came up AFTER the pause, but do you really think Igrock would not forsee such an obvious problem? Do you think mafia wouldn't as well and wouldn't complain about it? See im skeptical whenever someones theory requires a great deal of stupidity on the part of several people. Yes the pause could have been about something else, was it likely about anything else? No. Similarly yes you do look scum, is it possible your not scum? Of course, but your no longer getting a free ride based on your claim, which in all likely hood means nothing. . If you wanna argue that your town based on your own merit than feel free. But stop cititing WOS (falsely might I add as you still havent adressed his addendum) and time stamps when we only know one thing. They're was a pause before everyone but Marv revealed. The game was unpaused leading us to believe the problem had been solved. Several hours later you claimed, several hours after that so did Lazer. Once Fuba flips we will know once and for all if they're are fake claims in this game. Also how do you know he got his pm in the night phase? He never said that, how the hell would you know anything about that? Also I dont care about whatever other info WOS or scum received, I care about lynching scum, you should too. Vote Fuba. | ||
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On July 04 2013 23:16 JarJarDrinks wrote: @Gumshoe, answer me this: Why do you think WoS said that he felt absolutely fucked? Assume your survivor, you can hope town will mislynch today but if your not an idiot you need to account for all possible scenarios and you need to account for them right now(at the time of the claim). What if they successfully lynch(they still hold the majority no matter what)? What if scum tonight sees you as a threat because you were forced to vote with town and role blocks/shoots in order to make theyre kps unblockable, just to be sure. Or what if town lynches you tommorow because they cant find scum and they dont trust you. Yes WOS could skate by and win today, but hes just flipping a coin then. Point is he has to make his call at the start of day 2, he cant just withhold his role and pray, he needs to fake claim or true claim BEFORE he knows how things are going to happen. He tried to make a play that would account for all possibilities, potentially scaring off or appeasing scum (the claim of a role block on him would imply survivor is still out they're, or it would tell them thats hes trying to screw over town by breeding chaos) and maybe convincing town hes actually blue. Sadly it did not work, but the attempt is clearly they're. The point is, once WOS admits hes survivor he surrenders control of his own fate, wether or not town lynch him or scum shoot him is out of his hands. WOS played the only move left to him, secure in the knowledge that he could always reclaim survivor and admit that fake names are in the game. He took the risk cause why not, he knows town will be hesitant to shoot survivor, that is if hes the only claim. What he didn't account for was that scum would be forced to steal his role, he should have known the alternative was miller, that was his biggest mistake, but a believable one in comparison to what others, yourself included, in this thread would have town believe. The point is WOS's play is indicative of someone who is a struggling third party forced to play the only card in his hand. Comparatively Fuba implies that his revealing survivor means nothing and is uneventful, he acts pretty much like a leaf in the wind, he also claims that scum would receive fake roles but he wouldn't... which is just stupid. Fuba's play looks like fake survivor in the same way that his play as town looked like fake town. What it all basically comes down to is the realization that third party play must look distinct from scum or town, WOS's does, tell me what about Fuba's posting has changed since he claimed? Nothing, because hes not survivor. | ||
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Though to be honest, Fuba's miller claim is pretty atrocious but I would argue thats just because of the way the game went down, he would have a much better chance had he received his claim from the start. Objectively Vet is worse because a) you need to try to not look blue or reveal before night 1 or town gets suspicious of why your endangering your own one shot and b) after night one you need to explain why you didn't shoot or why you were role blocked when town had a clear suspect and you were one of the least likely people to be read as blue because day 1 you were trying to not be blue XD. | ||
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On July 04 2013 23:57 marvellosity wrote: Is it just me desperately trying to work out what information WoS could possibly have been given that he can't disclose?  I seriously could not care less. Any information that we reveal here scum in tern will posses. I rather we both be in the dark, let them shit they're pants, Wos's info is no threat to us. | ||
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On July 05 2013 00:04 WaveofShadow wrote: Again, I've bugged the everloving shit out of iGrok this game, so you're welcome to ask him what and how I can or can't disclose to you guys in more detail. (I was almost modkilled already I think.) I will gladly answer if I get the ok from him. Yeah I think alot of what you've gone into is pretty unfair for scum XD dont get modkilled, we could use the vote. | ||
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On July 05 2013 00:08 marvellosity wrote: I'm curious though how you're taking it from the angle of a 'threat' rather than a boon/good thing. Weird mentality. It's tied up with my read on Jar Jar, I didn't like that he was pressing the matter, makes me think scum would really like to know what exactly WOS got. | ||
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On July 05 2013 00:09 Oatsmaster wrote: Yes its you marv, mostly because if WoS couldve disclosed ANYTHING else, he wouldve done it. JJD. In a game where the survivor has a proc. If he claims, he is really really likely to get shot in the event of a game where scum arent losing. So when WoS has to claim, he loses. Anyway, I dont think it matters that much that scum knows which blues town has. So if I were hosting, I wouldve probably given mafia fakeclaims that were definitely true so town cant break the game. And igrok has hosted longer than me. SO THEREFORE, we should stop predicting host's actions and play the fucking game without thinking of the likelyhood of fakeclaims and no fakeclaims and JUST, in terms of which claim, Fuba's or WoS' is more believable. WoS for me by far. Fuba gives no shits that WoS' claimed his role. ( : | ||
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On July 05 2013 00:12 JarJarDrinks wrote: Lots of words that pretty much equate to the same thing Oats said. Here's my response: Oats is sheeping me right now : P, his opinion is a result of mine that was formed a while back that included ALL THE WORDS. Your basically saying meh to my argument, which is fine, everyone whose opinion I care about ( except Vivax ) : ) agrees with me. So I'm done saying the same thing over and over. Your not convincing anyone Fuba isn't scum, though I'm not sure if thats what your even trying to do. All this will accomplish is make it really really easy tomorrow to lynch you. Also wheres Lazer monkey? | ||
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On July 05 2013 00:26 JarJarDrinks wrote: Same question for you gumshoe: Do you think WoS had a role to fakeclaim when the subject of mass claiming came up? I think hes had a fake claim since the pause, so have scum. I think hes shoddy about the details, on 180ing and what not, because hes the walking the fine line of not pissing off town and not pissing off scum. He COULD NOT claim before the mass claim, because his fake was vig. He could assume that every other scum player had a valid claim, which means he would be unable of claiming anything other than vig with out pissing someone off. If a scum is lynched as a direct result of WOS's actions you can be sure they'll regard him as just any other hyper powered townie, which is why I feel he dies tonight. Furthermore he could not claim before the mass claim because his role was vig, if he does claim then town gets on his case and hes either considered scum or hes outed. The fact that you find inconsistencies in his posting is not wrong, because he has no obligation to tell the truth, town is unlikely to lynch him so long as scum are on the table. His only threat is getting rbed and shot tonight. | ||
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