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On July 01 2013 07:39 Vivax wrote: Funny. What oats posted was the exact opposite of what you claimed. You said: and this: swayed your opinion? Cause Oats just said the exact opposite of what you said?Without any further clarification? Yes, what Oats said made me think Stutters comment again in a light "would it make sense from a scum perspective to say so". Then, you got ultimately persuaded by these posts between your posts in question? You went from scum to I don't know to town, with these posts between the "I don't know" and the "town": Explain what you found so townie about these posts please. The first bolded part because yeah, that's how a townie would react and the fact that he acknowledges it instead of pressing it further gives him townie points. The second bolded part is pure town. Even though he has a scumread on me he is trying to get the silent people to talk, and wants to hear more from me in case of a mislynch (which it would be). As i said, pure townie behaviour, unlike... yes.. you, who have avoided talking about WoS/JarJar all game. | ||
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Also Vivax, what's left from your case against me? Or is it now only my stance on Stutters? Oats you are really bad. Like really really bad. Now i know why people want to policy lynch you, you fail to understand simple things and it's pain in the ass to argue with you. You are voting me because "i know" marv is town. I call people i think are town town and unless something new information comes up treat them as town. That does not make me scum and you should know it. I use reactions to my posts in forming reads on other people and i have explained why i have said what i have said. If you are unable to see that i'm done talking with you because you won't understand anything any way, so it's a waste of time. | ||
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I'm mad because you are so ridiculously dumb. I'm kinda sad i do think you are town because i could find 101010010 reasons to "why you are scum" if i was mafia but they do not actually make you scum and i don't want to lynch townies, even policy lynch. | ||
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##Unvote: ##Vote: JarJarDrinks Lynch me if you want to, when i flip lynch JarJar and when he flips red lynch Vivax. Look closely into WoS and Fuba. I may post something tomorrow if my schedule is not too tight. I was planning on doing some scumhunting today but Oats/Vivax effectively shut me down, and i don't know how much i can be online tomorrow. Sad thing is that Oats is town. Stutters is probably town aswell. I think marv is still town. I think Lazer is probably town, as i think Vivax is scum. It could be the other way around though. I think solstice is town. I have no idea about Vayne, but PoE says town. Oh and gumshoe is definitely town. | ||
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On July 01 2013 10:58 Oatsmaster wrote: JJD will not flip scum. Can i devote the rest of the game telling how Oats is scum because he knows JJD is town and nothing he ever says after this can change it? | ||
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Lazermonkey: Thread enterance points towards being town. Careless comment about policy lynching. I don't think he would do that as mafia. I also do not think he would hardcore defend me if he was scum, as apparently this Vivax' wagon is easy to join with just saying "i agree". It doesn't even make sense if JarJar is somehow town, because if you can choose between lynching town!rayn and town!JarJar i would not think twice, even if based purely on activity. Stutters: Gets town points from what Oats pointed out. Gets town points from trying to get the discussion moving also to other things than me. I like his vote on Fuba because i think Fuba is scum. Vivax: Vivax is only looking my post in the point of view "how does this make rayn scum". You are forgetting something, you are not even taking account the possibility that i would think like this as town. There are many examples where i have given town reads based on very little and based on that those people think like me and would act like me. I don't like the fact that he is failing to contribute to almost everything other than me, especially JarJar and WoS. I have explained everything you have in your case, if you don't believe that as a genuine explanation, fine, vote for me. But remember this; If i get lynched and you are actually town you are in deep shit because as a strong player you are going to die on N1 and you seem have no base to any other solid read that you think you have on me now. So if you are town better start doing some real scumhunting. VayneAuthority: Basically due to process of elimination. gumshoe: Definitely town. Has the best posts in thread atm. Oatsmaster: If Oats was scum he would also be in deep shit in case i flip, i don't think he would even think he could handle it as the tunnel is so absurd and stupid. Sad, but this has to be bad!town!Oats marvellosity: I'm having second thoughts about marv as he has not yet posted. Will have a better read on him when he gets back. And his posts better be good then! mkfuba07: Says "WoS will show if he is town when he starts playing". In his next post he comments on some random people (for what?), and does not comment on WoS/JarJar in any way (hey, you were supposed to be good in reading WoS??). Then drops his vote on me without adding anything to the case, only that "it would be much easier to fakeclaim miller here" which is certainly not true. scum. Why did you not comment on JarJar/WoS in any way in your big post? You must have a read on both of them, let us hear it. WaveofShadow: Useless. Even says he will be useless. Why not say something useful instead? Continues being useless, like having voted Stutters and what's the follow up? He does not try to find out his scumbuddies, he doesn't question him in any way. Actually, he does not question anyone in any way. If JarJar is somehow town WoS is sure scum by trying to avoid attention after called out. Who is scum WoS and why? What are your thoughts on Vivax/JarJar/Fuba? s0Lstice: Starts the game with good questions on things i thought was odd myself too. His posts are well thought out and i can follow his thought process. JarJarDrinks: Calls out Solstice for scumhunting. Good job, that's his top scumread at that time. Doesn't follow up this suspicion in any way, and is now voting for Gumshoe as an OMGUS. Hey JarJar, why did you noot look at my situation at the same light you are looking at this one "you think this is the only way to look at it?" as you said you think i am town. Why not tell Vivax and Oats that they are wrong? Why are they not suspicious but gumshoe is for doing the same thing? His answers to Vivax' questions look really really forced. Also what's your read on WoS/Fuba now and why? Now i know i have too much scumreads. Everyone fits in as scum with everyone in those people (i count out marv atm), i don't want to lynch Vivax because he does not look the worst and there is a slight possibility that he is town. We also do not work well together at least on D1. I keep my vote on JarJar, but i challenge all of you to question WoS/JarJar/fuba, i'm pretty confident there is at least 2 scum in them. | ||
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Vivax, would you, as town not comment anything on present suspects at that time, when you have earlier implied you can read them well? Also would you not try to read people you can read well at the start of the game and why? Also i don't have a problem with Fuba agreeing with your case, because that sort of a mistake can be easily done as town. The thing is that he is trying to tell the things you have already said with his own words (i see that as trying to look genuine, when actually not having anything to add, and afraid of sheeping) and the only thing he adds to the case is plain out wrong. | ||
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Because you are flip-flopping. You said you disagree with nearly every read of mine. Why do you think WoS is town? Why is Vivax not suspicious for doing the same thing with me that you say gumshoe is doing with you (looking things from only one perspective)? Why is Oats not suspicious for that, or is he? You are giving us nothing, and no, someone questioning things they find scummy is definitely not scummy. Point out why Solstice's questions were bad, and you have a case. You are just saying his questions were bad, nothing more. I think his questions were accurate at that point of the game. You just laid out your "case" and did nothing to follow that up, you were not trying to convince people to vote for him, you were not trying to find out who is he most likely to be aligned with. You did absolutely nothing but just drop a case based on the fact that Solstice was asking questions from people.. | ||
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On July 01 2013 22:43 Vivax wrote: But he did comment on present suspects, just not the suspects you wanted him to comment on. Maybe he didn't talk about WoS cause he didn't find him interesting. I don't know, but not talking about someone doesn't necessarily make you scum, simply ask him for an opinion maybe. Yes he commented on me. Look at other people and how they interact. They weigh the possibilities of the suspects being scum, and vote for the one they think is more likely to be scum, or present the case of their own. Also you didn't answer my question. Regarding the trying to look genuine, where do you draw the line between him doing that as scum, and sheeping my case along with mentioning the points he agrees with as town? Would you think it'd have been more genuine if he went all like "Ok I sheep Vivax for no particular reason, I just agree with him". If he had said "Vivax' case on rayn is good. I don't think JarJar is as scummy as rayn because of X" that would have been okay. Do you think he has to add something new if the reasons posted are already good? No i do not. The thing is he is trying to add something without actually adding anything but false information. | ||
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Look at other people and how they interact. They weigh the possibilities of the suspects being scum, and vote for the one they think is more likely to be scum, or present the case of their own. Even fucking Oats does so. | ||
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On July 01 2013 22:59 Vivax wrote: What's the false information? "It would have been *much* easier for scum to fakeclaim miller in this situation than I thought, and I don't see how this isn't obvious from a town perspective." - It is much harder to claim miller when we take account the role-names " Add to that Vivax's case, where he points out that rayn accepts the existence of a miller at face value" - I never did so. I said "scum won't fakeclaim miller unless dumb, marv is not dumb". I did not accep the existance of a miller at face value. When marv claimed miller i accepted that he is town at face value. If you allude to the "comment on people you can read-question", I did answer it by telling you to ask fuba to deliver a read on WoS. Why are you avoiding the question, it's a very simple one, here: Vivax, would you, as town not comment anything on present suspects at that time, when you have earlier implied you can read them well? Also would you not try to read people you can read well at the start of the game and why? Put yourself into fuba's shoes, you say you can read a dude well. You don't talk about him cause you prefer delivering reads on other people. How is that related to alignment? Cause maybe he doesn't think WoS is worth commenting on (town)? Cause WoS is his scumbuddy and scum never talks of scumbuddies (scum)? I can't because i would never do so. The people who are easiest to read for me are the one's that i usually interact the most with early on. I don't see a reason why town!Fuba would not try to find out WoS' alignment early on if he can read him well. Does he think WoS is town? Does that make sense to you? Does anything WoS has done look town to you? You talk of connection cases being retarded when this part of your case is CONNECTION BASED, would you believe it? Fuba is scum cause he doesn't comment on someone you think is scum. No, this has nothing to do with WoS' alignment. Even if WoS is town, it makes no sense from Fuba's perspective to not try to form a read on him. [/quote] You really can't understand what i was trying to do there? The last post was to say "if you are town, claim miller now", "if you are scum, do not claim". It was a catch to make sure every miller would claim if they were around (although i was kinda sure there were no more), because they would have nothing to lose in "claim role names vs marv" -battle. It was also to make scum more hesitant to fakeclaim miller in case i had missed something (if they could somehow get away with it). I don't actually always say what i think, you know lies are not always bad for town.. | ||
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On July 01 2013 23:12 Vivax wrote: JJ: If you agree with me, why are gumshoe and s0lstice your scumreads but not Rayn/lazer/stutters? That's why we should lynch noone but JarJar today. It makes no sense. | ||
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On July 01 2013 23:16 JarJarDrinks wrote: Someone comment on this exchange: How is this not scummy as hell? He jumps on me for saying something. He then basically admits that he'd do the exact same thing in my situation and tries to turn the whole exchange around. gumshoe is saying "why don't you find mafia or convince the town your scumread is mafia instead of saying i'll vote for rayn if it's gonna be close". Of course you are going to vote for me in that situation, there is no need to say that, everyone knows you'll do so. | ||
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