Marv, now that I'm caught up, what do you make of Gumshoe's claim?

When he claimed and said he was blue as opposed to a PR, he claimed being vengeful/vet, practically ensuring he wasn't shot over night and nullifying any benefit of his Vengeful role. It's not an unreasonable assumption to assume scum wouldn't expect every PR to be in the game as well so if they knew You/Lazer were truthful claiming that they're Vet/Venge guarantees they don't die overnight. Only consolation is he claimed before Vivax so he'd be taking a large unecessary risk. Think there is any chance he's scum? I'm kinda leaning he's telling the truth by necessity.

Stutters695

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July 03 2013 15:53 GMT

#1522

On July 04 2013 00:45 marvellosity wrote:

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There's no difference between blue and PR, they're the same lingo. i.e. he could have been vigilante.

I'd say that how his explanation came about (opposing / uncomfortable with massclaiming ----> being blue) does make sense.

Well by saying PR I was including the possibility of the 3p in there but i guess it doesnt really matter. Its just weird he brings that up when there is literally no upside to saying that at night when the best possible thing that could happen is he eats a nk.

Stutters695

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July 03 2013 16:07 GMT

#1529

Exactly, but by claiming blue when he can't be miller/cop makes him not a good target to shoot. If scum has RB they can RB on the chance he's vig and leave him alone if he's vet/vengeful, effectively making himself a VT for no reason. I'm just not following it from either alignment really.

Stutters695

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July 03 2013 16:07 GMT

#1530

That was @ marv

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July 03 2013 16:49 GMT

#1565

WoS: Did you jail last night? If so who?

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July 03 2013 16:55 GMT

#1570

Well I want to believe WoS because I still think Fuba is scum. I just don't understand fake claiming there. Why would scum be out to get him on d2 when all he has to do is talk his way out of a lynch today/defend fuba and mislynch into a n2 win by not blocking? What incentive does scum have to kill him here?

Stutters695

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July 03 2013 17:01 GMT

#1573

I'm aware. I'm pretty damn confident in my scumread on Fuba. I guess 3p would explain his weird behavior, but he's been so fucking scummy. Usually I'd associate someone with 3p if they're more on the townish-null side. They both can't be scum because this would be the most retarded bus in the history of mafia.

Stutters695

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July 03 2013 17:07 GMT

#1576

Right, but hitting the right one today is a huge boon for us. If we hit the scummer, survivor lives and still has a chance to play out his wincon where it is strictly better to play on the side of town (6-3-1 right now, 6-2-1 at night, 5-2-1 at day) where he has a chance to JK nightly and get town even closer.

I just don't think we should be taking this as lightly as we are.

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July 04 2013 16:34 GMT

#1876

Not going to be around much today.

Just to be safe in case I'm not around by the deadline

##vote: mkfuba

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July 05 2013 13:07 GMT

#2072

I'm here, fielding quotations while I catch up. I'm at work but I actually have stole time to play today now that the holiday is over.

Stutters695

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July 05 2013 13:09 GMT

#2073

Quotations= questions

Stutters695

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July 05 2013 14:56 GMT

#2113

Scum has zero reason to shoot you WoS. It's pretty obvious.

Stutters695

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July 05 2013 15:25 GMT

#2115

Nah, dog. That's just the beginning. I was actually typing up a post on this subject but I didn't want to give scum a guideline to actually winning if they were dumb enough to take the n1 shots they did.

What would you like me to talk about qtpi?

Stutters695

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July 05 2013 15:55 GMT

#2118

I was at work, posting when I could between deliveries. I'd been doing what I could to get Fuba lynched earlier in the day with no success so when I settled on Lazer I was popping in to try and keep up but it was way too hectic.

Stutters695

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July 05 2013 16:30 GMT

#2131

I'd like to talk about WoS just a tad bit more. I think you're with me on thinking that this would be the worst bus in the history of mafia but I still don't get his play. He has no reason to be scared of mafia, we have no incentive to lynch him unless we're 100% sure he's mafia.

If I was him yesterday, as soon as Fuba claimed and was confirmed scum to him it's like he gave up on trying argue his way or of it. That's not at all what I would have done as 3p when if he tried to talk his way out of it and was successful town can't save anymore kp, he doesn't block and scum claim the next day and the 4 laugh to victory. And even if he fails to talk himself out of it, he has a counterclaim still with solid reasoning behind why he didn't expose him. Granted scum could have truly sold it by having Fuba claim a RB on WoS but his emphasis on how he didn't want to throw scum under the bus yet made no effort to actually do anything makes me think he wanted Fuba to die, which a 3p shouldn't. I'm having a hard time reconciling his actions from a 3p perspective when given what he knew at the time his quickest way to victory was to not claim.

Do you think there was no way he wasn't getting lynched without the claim despite how much time was left in the day?

Stutters695

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July 05 2013 16:49 GMT

#2138

Not waiting til the last second but off of memory didn't you claim over 24hrs before the flip? That would have been plenty of time to try and talk yourself out of it and claim out of it if that failed. I know you're not dumb so you had to have considered this. I just don't get it.

Stutters695

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July 05 2013 17:09 GMT

#2140

Yes masa. Marv want to talk about JJD then S0l?

Stutters695

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July 05 2013 17:19 GMT

#2142

That's no fun

Post coming up though.