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On I don't understand what most of his posts say and the parts i understand are retarded connection cases.
I actually was looking at him earlier and had the same July 01 2013 04:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Has anyone played with gumshoe before? I would like to hear some more from him but even with his association cases he's said nothing that isn't obvious. Even his scum read on me is solely for your read on me at the time and that I disappeared after you put pressure on me. Feels kind of like contributing without really contributing.
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And as I type that he drops a case, fuck phone posting. Reading that real quick
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I wasn't asking you to drop the case lol. If you suspect me that's ok, you'll realize it's wrong in due time my activity is dependent on when I work and when I get to spend time with my girlfriend. I'll probably be absent tonight as well, if you like I can announce in advance.
I'm not sure about your theory of oats and JJD off of them showing up around the same time but that can be addressed later after we see his flip. If I were scum and not going all in on a LYLO I'd probably avoid a situation like that. I can also understand the inverse though, so I'd consider that null. I had forgotten about JJD though, which is something that happened frequently when I first saw his scum play. He played the lurker card to a tee. I'd definitely lynch him d1 over Rayn right now.
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The part about no role name being claimed is null imo. I could easily argue the merits of town withholding that info until a second Miller claims. The damming part is how sure he was Marv was town, but that can easily be explained away by his thinking 5 minutes in is too early for scum to claim. I'm having a hard time justifying it when the rest of his play has been pretty town. Like your case had me pretty convinced earlier but the more I see from him the less I feel comfortable with it.
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Gonna go dive JJD to see if I missed anything.
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Well I would still be for JJD but Jesus Fuba either needs to explain or die. Why can't you get a read on me? Comparing me to someone with a different playstyle while softing I'm scummy but starting I'm town isn't going to cut it. Where's your usual good analysis?
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So will this affect the deadline if we continue or will it be at the same time as it was, just pushed back a day if needed type deal?
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I'll be semi afk the rest of the night. Expect a post here or there but nothing too major. Fubas last post was pretty fucking scummy, if he doesn't step up his game I'd really look into him over JJD.
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And I'll be back in full force tomorrow for like 8 hours leading up to the deadline, so hang out with me tomorrow EUs.
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I'm not what? Not following.
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Well I guess people aren't into Fuba as much as I am and I'm not getting mislynched because we're not consolidating, back to JJD I guess and I'll look into Fuba tomorrow.
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Vivax read his comeback post, that's a pretty good chance for a d1 lynch.
##unvote
##vote: JarJarDrinks
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Also vivax, if you think I'm scum for trying to distance myself from him, why would I defend him so much when I saw something Ithought you were misinterpreting? Seems like a weak ass reason to switch from your main read.
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We need to wait for iGrok to establish it as ok to do but as soon as he does a mass claim is game breaking and obviously the best play. Outing blues/getting people modkilled if we're only supposed to say "vt, RB, cop" etc will really fuck us over if scum has a way out/it I isn't allowed.
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Anyway case on Fuba coming up. Let's see what he has to say.
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My vote on JJD was a straight sheep, I liked his case.
I didn't have time to type up a case last night but this post is why I'd be ok seeing Fuba hang.
On July 01 2013 07:00 mkfuba07 wrote:
Oh wow. I wake up and there's over 100 more posts. Apologies in advance for the giant post. A lot has happened. Some stream of consciousness thoughts as I catch up:
Vayne entering the thread with thread analysis on D1 was as surprising for me as it appears it was for WoS XD I don't see the scumminess from Lazer's 6th post (Is it this one? "Marv, which game were you fake claiming miller?"), so could you explain it Vayne?
Oats's vote on rayn was interesting, because I didn't think of rayn's actions from that persepective. The thing is, though, rayn had thought the situation through. The way oats presents it is as though rayn simply saw marv claim miller, and accepted it as true. Then went on to buddy him. This is clearly not what happened.
s0Lstice's first post was interesting (I'm gonna end up saying "interesting" a lot. Too tired at the moment to not be repetitive). First of all, I don't see how that progression indicates Stutters as scum. I found him most suspicious for the aggression so early, not that his reasoning was flawed regarding scum and millers. It's also pretty weird that s0L says Lazer is suspicious for spending so much time thinking about the miller claim when he just gave a town read to rayn, who has apparently spent just as much time doing so. s0L did mention Vivax, who I failed to comment on earlier. The passive shit flinging is something I'd missed, but it seems legit. Why even mention marv being less active so far when he mentioned little more than an hour before that he was going to be pretty inactive for a while? The self-conscious bit I pretty much ignored, since I'm that way every time I post, but I'm keeping the first point in mind.
Vivax's first post after returning actually had a really good point in it. Not that what marv did was scummy, but that the miller claim definitely can't be taken as a town tell now. Rayn followed that post with this: "No it's not. Fakeclaiming miller 5min into the game is dumb and unnecessary as scum and if someone was dumb enough to fakeclaim after marv we had a 50% chance to right out catch them by having them post the role PM first." I'm starting to see what oats was getting at, now. Rayn seems incapable of believing marv is scum, even though it's been shown that the claim is unreliable. Like, in that quote, while admitting the possibility of a fakeclaim, he refuses to believe it could be marv lying.
Lazermonkey: My experience with Vayne is that I can't read him for shit. Well, I mean, I guess I kind of could early on in Roulette, when I found he had "scum potential, but was not necessarily scummy". I'd definitely trust WoS's analysis of Vayne's scum play, especially if Vayne doesn't contest it himself (unless they're both scum... so take that with a grain of salt).
Vivax: "I'm really curious to see which name marv will claim." Why will that actually matter at this point?
Caught up~~
Man, you guys post a lot.
So, current thoughts. Oats is acting almost exactly like he was as town in Roulette. The difference is his approach to pushing his lynch, which seems more persuasive, as opposed to commanding. I think he mentioned at the end of Roulette that he was going to work on that, and his play this game is consistent with that. He's probably my strongest townread at the moment.
Vayne hasn't actually said all that much. I appreciated his first post, then he kind of disappeared. Not much to say. Would still like to know what's so scummy about that Lazer post.
Stutters: Not entirely sure what to think. His explanation for the aggression is pretty much a null tell. He does seem to be posting more than I remember, but the content is mostly defending himself. He also says we should discuss other players, but doesn't suggest any himself. Still very "vayne from roulette"-y for me.
Vivax: I like what he's said about rayn, wasn't impressed by marv's supposed scumminess for not posting his full role PM. That assumes that town marv would have naturally posted his role PM when claiming miller, something that I don't think is a natural inclination. The fact that he went into Carnival Cruise and found evidence of rayn's previous reactions to miller claims gives him some townie points. Overall, slight town, though he's apparently thinking about marv a lot, which I find strange given that marv hasn't really been here at all.
marv: Come back to us, dear. ^^
rayn: After Vivax's marv post, I expected rayn to be less insistent on him being confirmed town. It would have been *much* easier for scum to fakeclaim miller in this situation than I thought, and I don't see how this isn't obvious from a town perspective. Add to that Vivax's case, where he points out that rayn accepts the existence of a miller at face value, and I'm pretty convinced. He's far too eager to accept the claim as truth, when it should now have little effect on the mind of a townie. My only reluctance to vote for him is his activity level, which I tend to associate with town.
##Vote: raynpelikoneet
Everyone else is gonna need a filter dive, and I'm going to have to reread the posts I read while writing this, but I feel comfortable with my The first half is just his observations vote where it is.
First, remember after the post Rayne jumped on me for he said I reminded him of Vayne in Roulette (scummy but town by PoE to pretty much everyone in the thread if you haven't read it).
First half is all summaries, meaningless since anyone reading the thread would know those events. Probably null, maybe slightly scummy.
His point on Oats is decent, and pretty much how I feel, nothing wrong there.
Vayne: null, nothing of value except a question that he's never here to follow up on.
Me: Says my actions are null to scummy but I remind him of a townie from the last game we played? Why is this Fuba? Scared to take a stance?
Vivax: only slight town yet he has nothing bad to say about him. Why only slight town? Again not very committal.
Marv: useless fluff
Rayne: Essentially agrees with Vivax on who is scum and why yet neglects any other posts from Rayn to show a scum mindset or any individual thought.
Essentially his entire post is trying to cover up the fact that all he is doing is agreeing with Vivax. Where is your usual analysis Fuba?
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On July 02 2013 01:27 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2013 01:23 Stutters695 wrote:My vote on JJD was a straight sheep, I liked his case. I didn't have time to type up a case last night but this post is why I'd be ok seeing Fuba hang. On July 01 2013 07:00 mkfuba07 wrote:
Oh wow. I wake up and there's over 100 more posts. Apologies in advance for the giant post. A lot has happened. Some stream of consciousness thoughts as I catch up:
Vayne entering the thread with thread analysis on D1 was as surprising for me as it appears it was for WoS XD I don't see the scumminess from Lazer's 6th post (Is it this one? "Marv, which game were you fake claiming miller?"), so could you explain it Vayne?
Oats's vote on rayn was interesting, because I didn't think of rayn's actions from that persepective. The thing is, though, rayn had thought the situation through. The way oats presents it is as though rayn simply saw marv claim miller, and accepted it as true. Then went on to buddy him. This is clearly not what happened.
s0Lstice's first post was interesting (I'm gonna end up saying "interesting" a lot. Too tired at the moment to not be repetitive). First of all, I don't see how that progression indicates Stutters as scum. I found him most suspicious for the aggression so early, not that his reasoning was flawed regarding scum and millers. It's also pretty weird that s0L says Lazer is suspicious for spending so much time thinking about the miller claim when he just gave a town read to rayn, who has apparently spent just as much time doing so. s0L did mention Vivax, who I failed to comment on earlier. The passive shit flinging is something I'd missed, but it seems legit. Why even mention marv being less active so far when he mentioned little more than an hour before that he was going to be pretty inactive for a while? The self-conscious bit I pretty much ignored, since I'm that way every time I post, but I'm keeping the first point in mind.
Vivax's first post after returning actually had a really good point in it. Not that what marv did was scummy, but that the miller claim definitely can't be taken as a town tell now. Rayn followed that post with this: "No it's not. Fakeclaiming miller 5min into the game is dumb and unnecessary as scum and if someone was dumb enough to fakeclaim after marv we had a 50% chance to right out catch them by having them post the role PM first." I'm starting to see what oats was getting at, now. Rayn seems incapable of believing marv is scum, even though it's been shown that the claim is unreliable. Like, in that quote, while admitting the possibility of a fakeclaim, he refuses to believe it could be marv lying.
Lazermonkey: My experience with Vayne is that I can't read him for shit. Well, I mean, I guess I kind of could early on in Roulette, when I found he had "scum potential, but was not necessarily scummy". I'd definitely trust WoS's analysis of Vayne's scum play, especially if Vayne doesn't contest it himself (unless they're both scum... so take that with a grain of salt).
Vivax: "I'm really curious to see which name marv will claim." Why will that actually matter at this point?
Caught up~~
Man, you guys post a lot.
So, current thoughts. Oats is acting almost exactly like he was as town in Roulette. The difference is his approach to pushing his lynch, which seems more persuasive, as opposed to commanding. I think he mentioned at the end of Roulette that he was going to work on that, and his play this game is consistent with that. He's probably my strongest townread at the moment.
Vayne hasn't actually said all that much. I appreciated his first post, then he kind of disappeared. Not much to say. Would still like to know what's so scummy about that Lazer post.
Stutters: Not entirely sure what to think. His explanation for the aggression is pretty much a null tell. He does seem to be posting more than I remember, but the content is mostly defending himself. He also says we should discuss other players, but doesn't suggest any himself. Still very "vayne from roulette"-y for me.
Vivax: I like what he's said about rayn, wasn't impressed by marv's supposed scumminess for not posting his full role PM. That assumes that town marv would have naturally posted his role PM when claiming miller, something that I don't think is a natural inclination. The fact that he went into Carnival Cruise and found evidence of rayn's previous reactions to miller claims gives him some townie points. Overall, slight town, though he's apparently thinking about marv a lot, which I find strange given that marv hasn't really been here at all.
marv: Come back to us, dear. ^^
rayn: After Vivax's marv post, I expected rayn to be less insistent on him being confirmed town. It would have been *much* easier for scum to fakeclaim miller in this situation than I thought, and I don't see how this isn't obvious from a town perspective. Add to that Vivax's case, where he points out that rayn accepts the existence of a miller at face value, and I'm pretty convinced. He's far too eager to accept the claim as truth, when it should now have little effect on the mind of a townie. My only reluctance to vote for him is his activity level, which I tend to associate with town.
##Vote: raynpelikoneet
Everyone else is gonna need a filter dive, and I'm going to have to reread the posts I read while writing this, but I feel comfortable with my The first half is just his observations vote where it is. First, remember after the post Rayne jumped on me for he said I reminded him of Vayne in Roulette (scummy but town by PoE to pretty much everyone in the thread if you haven't read it). First half is all summaries, meaningless since anyone reading the thread would know those events. Probably null, maybe slightly scummy. His point on Oats is decent, and pretty much how I feel, nothing wrong there. Vayne: null, nothing of value except a question that he's never here to follow up on. Me: Says my actions are null to scummy but I remind him of a townie from the last game we played? Why is this Fuba? Scared to take a stance? Vivax: only slight town yet he has nothing bad to say about him. Why only slight town? Again not very committal. Marv: useless fluff Rayne: Essentially agrees with Vivax on who is scum and why yet neglects any other posts from Rayn to show a scum mindset or any individual thought.
Essentially his entire post is trying to cover up the fact that all he is doing is agreeing with Vivax. Where is your usual analysis Fuba? Don't you think that post is analysis? Why would scum try to cover up that they're agreeing with me? Is it dangerous for them to agree with me?
It's nothing so much to do with you as both the difficulty in making a genuine case as scum coupled with the fact that sheeping is a null tell as opposed to making it look like original thought to get town cred.
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