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On July 06 2013 06:13 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2013 05:53 marvellosity wrote:
gumshoe, do me a favour - go read the back and forth (or whatever it was) that Stutters and fuba had. It doesn't feel like mafia on mafia to me. Agree/disagree? Already done. Agree. It's not. Comparatively Stutters is Jar Jars number one town read for 90 percent of the game. Why XD? Stutters does not recicporcate. In fact Stutters is not scum period. Show nested quote +Well I would still be for JJD but Jesus Fuba either needs to explain or die. Why can't you get a read on me? Comparing me to someone with a different playstyle while softing I'm scummy but starting I'm town isn't going to cut it. Where's your usual good analysis? Him condemning a confirmed scum player over a suspicious player? Yeah, not scum. All game long hes been suspicious of Fuba and JJd. Why is JJD so forgiving and unmentioning of him when he pretty much made me his number on target for attacking him? Stutters kept up his case long after I quit as well / : JJD is sheeping Stutters cause he knows hes a likely to be lynched townie. He was just waiting for the flip to say I told you so.
I bussed JJD from the start of the game in Les.
Just sayinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
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Why are you just sayin at all? that wasn't the thrust of what either of us said.
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But sutters didn't really attempt to push fuba much at all. He just put his vote on him and then swaped of because On July 01 2013 22:16 Stutters695 wrote:
Well I guess people aren't into Fuba as much as I am and I'm not getting mislynched because we're not consolidating, back to JJD I guess and I'll look into Fuba tomorrow. And this is 9 hours before lynch. I could totally see scum doing shit like this in order to distance themselves from each other.
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But again, gumshoe and I are agreeing that their interaction doesn't look like scum on scum interaction. Lazer, why you ignore important things all the time? :<
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On July 06 2013 06:38 marvellosity wrote:
But again, gumshoe and I are agreeing that their interaction doesn't look like scum on scum interaction. Lazer, why you ignore important things all the time? :< I'm not ignoring things, I'm disagreeing with them.
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No, you didn't even mention it as a point, you mentioned something of a similar vein.
So you think it looks like scum on scum action? Really?
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On July 06 2013 06:13 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2013 05:53 marvellosity wrote:
gumshoe, do me a favour - go read the back and forth (or whatever it was) that Stutters and fuba had. It doesn't feel like mafia on mafia to me. Agree/disagree? Already done. Agree. It's not. Comparatively Stutters is Jar Jars number one town read for 90 percent of the game. Why XD? Stutters does not recicporcate. In fact Stutters is not scum period. Show nested quote +Well I would still be for JJD but Jesus Fuba either needs to explain or die. Why can't you get a read on me? Comparing me to someone with a different playstyle while softing I'm scummy but starting I'm town isn't going to cut it. Where's your usual good analysis? Him condemning a confirmed scum player over a suspicious player? Yeah, not scum. All game long hes been suspicious of Fuba and JJd. Why is JJD so forgiving and unmentioning of him when he pretty much made me his number on target for attacking him? Stutters kept up his case long after I quit as well / : JJD is sheeping Stutters cause he knows hes a likely to be lynched townie. He was just waiting for the flip to say I told you so.
On July 06 2013 06:42 marvellosity wrote:
No, you didn't even mention it as a point, you mentioned something of a similar vein.
So you think it looks like scum on scum action? Really? Note the bolded part, I disagree with this in case it was unclear.
No I don't, did I say that? I don't really treat their conversation either way.
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Well, you should make a stance on what you feel is more likely.
And if I die, you need to listen to other townies. I'm assuming you're town for now, but you made some wtf arguments during the last lynch that hurt my eyes.
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Stutters pretty much goes out of his way to advocate a Fuba lynch that almost happened. I'll reiterate, scum need to keep 2kp, thats they're only real goal in this setup.
Also this out of Jar Jar.
I'm assuming I die for sure. W/ the mass claim looming they can't leave me alive because I'm close to confirmed town as well as uncounterable @ this point.
not necesarily my order of scumminess (though close) but this is the order I think people should claim. Use it if I die:
gumshoe and marvellosity - get these out of the way first. Marv doesnt really need to @ this point but cant hurt.
s0Lstice - was one of my earliest suspects and has been so insanely quiet I almost forgot he was still playing
WaveofShadow -
raynpelikoneet - I do have a history of reading scum rayn as town. I'm really not sure about him anymore. I think this whole marv/lazor thing did make sense @ the time however I feel like he's trying to direct attention away from the whole mass claim which should be the first order of business tomorrow.
mkfuba07 -
Oatsmaster -
Stutters695 -
Vivax - First person to bring up a mass claim gets him lotsa townie points
I think that's everyone.
Before all that though see if lazer claims to have caught a red and have that person claim first. Though I'd be shocked if he says he came back w/ an unblocked check regardless of alignment.
man rayns last few posts are serious WTFs.
This is a list to determine reveal order so that towns suspicious suspects cant weasel into a leftover role. Why is Sutters, the source of much controversy to say the least, effectively the most townie person here aside from Vivax!? Or rather the person we would pretty much LEAST benefit from an earlier reveal of his role?
Also I feel this is important to note no matter how obvius, a major component of feeling someones towny is the that they agree with you. True I might feel that Vivax is town, but thats only because of his veteran block, or Oats is town even when we disagree, because hes just too godamm bullish at times to be scumXD(again, no hate, couldnt have done anything without your help before : P), but even then I dont find them as townie as Marv. Because competent players who agree with you for legitimate reasons that end up validating themselves (in the case of Fubas lynch) are the indication that you are on the right path.
Comparatively JJ's one sided love of Stutters bears no indications of this fundamental philosophy of a townie. He doesnt seem to care that his near number one town read has totally different views than him(going so far as to accuse him).
He repeats this odd trend at least one more here and probally more but meh.
Well, I did mention that I'm now leaning town on rayne based on his recent postings. I do happen to disagree w/ almost all of his reads though. Lazer I'm not sure of. I don't think that there'd be more than 1 scum piling on me and I have a strong scumread on gumshoe. I think you're town. I think you've made decent cases that have actual substance.
It's fine to find someone townie if you think theyre lynch bait or something, but to totally disregard they're views as well? Hes not looking for fellow townies or convincing theories, hes looking for a way to make himself look townie by association or via flip postmortem.
Also what ever happened to his Solstice read? He pushed it a bit at the start then kept in the rear view mirror all game long. Then never brought it up again after night ones end. He has not once voted for Solstice this game, and for the last half of it he has not even mentioned him. His supposed number two scum read...
Look, if nothing else think of it this way. Jar Jar has been wrong about everything and everyone all game long.
Rayne= flip flopped a bunch, final say was - I do have a history of reading scum rayn as town. I'm really not sure about him anymore. I think this whole marv/lazor thing did make sense @ the time however I feel like he's trying to direct attention away from the whole mass claim which should be the first order of business tomorrow.
scummy pretty much. He was wrong.
Fuba: wrong.
Wos: Wrong.
Me: Wrong.
Marv: Wrong.
If you have any faith in Jar Jar as a player, please please for the love of all that is good, give him your vote of confidence.
In fact on the off chance that I believed Jar Jar was town, I would totally vote for Stutters. Seeing as it would be a shame for Jar Jar to miss out on the chance for a"perfect" game.
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Well looking at JJD I'm not really sure. His early game is kind of scummy. He hard defends me when I'm under pressure which is weird seeing as I hadn't even gotten back into the thread yet. That's the part that bugs me. My first few posts weren't super fucking town so I'm getting NKd tonight good, yet JJD reads them that way. I find it hard to believe that a townie is so sure of something like that off of so little (unless he already knows I'm town).
His initial case on s0l is bad and provides him plenty of outs later. I think s0l is scummy in his own right from his continued posting but this was a bad case. Possibly setting up for a bus? Je ne sais pas I'll explore that more after doing s0l and going over Fuba's filter.
Next big thing to me is his role claim. Obviously now that we know scum have fake claims this is null.
Onto the mass role claim business. I'm not really sure what to make of his thoughts on this matter. He's gung-ho for the idea which is null but this quote stuck with me:
"I vote yes to mass claim. We will definately get counterclaims, meaning we choose a pair and @ worst get a 50/50 shot."
It made sense before we learned the specifics of the game but what bugs me is how he doesn't even consider the possibility of fakeclaims or that the game would be over. Not damning on its own but keep it in mind with his claim that in any normal game would be laughable and not have saved him. If he had a claim he'd know he could get away with this.
Moving forward, after his gumshoe push falters, he wants to lynch WoS. What happened with his scum read on s0l? Feels like he's just going with the flow instead of actually wanting to find scum.
He then defends Fuba. He showed in Les Mis he had no problem giving out a town read to a scumbuddy. It also makes sense with what I'm seeing here which is JJD/scum attempting to go all in on a n2/d3 victory. Losing Fuba d1 would have ruined that and he would have known that the mass claim would have fucked them if they couldn't end the game quick.
He backtracks on the vig call once Rayn points out how it could be game over n2. He would think that as either alignment, but when the idea wasn't picking up a lot of traction it feels to me like he was focused more on how he looked than saying it because a vig might seriously be considering it.
His list post bugs me too. He emphasizes how he needs to be shot since the mass claim is looming so he'll probably die, but with a mass claim and the assumption scum doesn't have safe claims he is utterly inconsequential when compared to killing people who have established track records of goodanalysis. Again he's emphasizing how he's confirmed, like we shouldn't even bother looking at him. Notice he's also still keeping s0l not as one of his main candidates despite adding Marv to his top scummers for no reason.
After Fuba goes 3p claim he goes hardcore bus on him despite calling him town d1.
Because I'm working hardcore right now I haven't gotten through all of his filter with this analysis but it's more of the same shit.
I'll get to s0l when I have more time and finish JJD if you guys aren't convinced.
TLDR: let's lynch JJD then s0l and win. Also once JJD flips scum Marv and Lazer are confirmed town based off of his desire for the vig on them.
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yes, I'd noticed that original s0lstice case + subsequent total dropping of it too.
s0lstice is still my best bet for #2, he's really not providing the level of analysis I'm used to seeing from him as town. Plus there are several weird things, namely the timing of his votes on fuba on both day 1 and day 2 (hopping on the wagon when it looked like fuba was getting lynched). Also feel pretty weird about how he defended Vayne on day 1 too.
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Guys it was a great pleasure to play this wonderful game with you. Unless for some reason scum get it in their head that I'm not a good kill tonight, I am not long for this world. Maybe you guys all think for some reason that my efforts have been enough for you to let me live (assuming scum do), or you have no reason to lynch me, but as I've said I really doubt that to be true. Silly, maybe, but that's just how I've been thinking this whole game. Hopefully both teams will ignore me the rest of the game and I can just live my days out in peace, a simple but lonely survivor. Or maybe you guys can let me live until LYLO so I can decide the outcome or something, 'cause that'd be super duper fun. Every 3rd party has probably dreamed of being in that sort of a position. I'd choose wisely in that case, don't you guys worry. Anyway I could probably just keep on talking like I have been all game just to look at my own posts with secret glee but there's probably not much point. Plus Vivax might yell at me again and he's a scary guy. Best of luck to both teams on this one, and it's been a great, albeit brief pleasure. PS I know at least one other scum member.
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On July 06 2013 06:48 marvellosity wrote:
Well, you should make a stance on what you feel is more likely.
And if I die, you need to listen to other townies. I'm assuming you're town for now, but you made some wtf arguments during the last lynch that hurt my eyes. Leaning town. What townies are you feeling most comfortable with me sheeping? Because my reads HAS been off this game (except for my fuba read D1 I guess) but I'm having a hard time finding someone that I actually think makes sense.
Vivax is crazy you know...
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On July 06 2013 06:57 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2013 06:48 marvellosity wrote:
Well, you should make a stance on what you feel is more likely.
And if I die, you need to listen to other townies. I'm assuming you're town for now, but you made some wtf arguments during the last lynch that hurt my eyes. Leaning town. What townies are you feeling most comfortable with me sheeping? Because my reads HAS been off this game (except for my fuba read D1 I guess) but I'm having a hard time finding someone that I actually think makes sense. Vivax is crazy you know...
listen to gumshoe. or me assuming i'm still around 
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no idea why WoS repeatedly says he's a good scumkill when he's the worst kill in the game. Extremely weird.
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On July 06 2013 06:59 marvellosity wrote:
no idea why WoS repeatedly says he's a good scumkill when he's the worst kill in the game. Extremely weird. Indeed.
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HAH beat you by 30 or so seconds stutters : P
Also Solstice has mentioned JJ once this game.
I'm very frustrated in regards to you JJ. I feel like the combination of you suspecting me for bad reasons and misreading you in Les Mis is really fucking with me. I think the wise thing is to wait and see a bit.
I definitely need to read gumshoe. I haven't had time to look hard at his filter after a feel based town read, so he's a bit of a blindspot for me.
Basicaly gives JJ the benefit of the doubt. Then pretty much agrees with him about me? Wierd.
Aside from Stutters, I'm getting suspicious of JarJar because meta.
In Les Mis, as scum, he has a laser focus on BH
In one of his newb games, as scum, he has a laser focus on jkirby.
In Roulette, as town, he pushes Oats, but also expresses suspicions towards WoS and Sentinel.
In another newb game, as town, he goes after TheRavensName, and also Frogron almost equally.
Links to these games are in this spoiler, have a look:
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I'm typically not a fan of including newb games in a meta argument, but it's definitely enough to make me nervous of JarJar.
I want to know who is scum outside of me, JarJar, and why.
Basically says the best argument here against Jar Jar is meta... Which is wrong.
AND THATS IT.
Solstice has not mentioned Jar Jar for the last 60 percent of the game.
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On July 06 2013 06:59 gumshoe wrote:HAH beat you by 30 or so seconds stutters : P Also Solstice has mentioned JJ once this game. Show nested quote +I'm very frustrated in regards to you JJ. I feel like the combination of you suspecting me for bad reasons and misreading you in Les Mis is really fucking with me. I think the wise thing is to wait and see a bit.
I definitely need to read gumshoe. I haven't had time to look hard at his filter after a feel based town read, so he's a bit of a blindspot for me. Basicaly gives JJ the benefit of the doubt. Then pretty much agrees with him about me? Wierd. Show nested quote +Aside from Stutters, I'm getting suspicious of JarJar because meta.
In Les Mis, as scum, he has a laser focus on BH
In one of his newb games, as scum, he has a laser focus on jkirby.
In Roulette, as town, he pushes Oats, but also expresses suspicions towards WoS and Sentinel.
In another newb game, as town, he goes after TheRavensName, and also Frogron almost equally.
Links to these games are in this spoiler, have a look:
+ Show Spoiler +
I'm typically not a fan of including newb games in a meta argument, but it's definitely enough to make me nervous of JarJar.
I want to know who is scum outside of me, JarJar, and why.
Basically says the best argument here against Jar Jar is meta... Which is wrong. AND THATS IT. Solstice has not mentioned Jar Jar for the last 60 percent of the game.
It's the kinda stuff I think in my head but don't bring to the game usually because it's too speculative, but the 2nd quote looks like scum coaching scum. Only saying it now because you brought it up.
But one at a time.
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