EPT[T] Nuclear Winter Mafia - Page 130
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johnnywup
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FirmTofu
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On July 12 2013 15:07 Xatalos wrote: Hihi everyone. I'm starting to feel that I die tonight, with everyone chanting my über-townishness. The only reason I see for my survival is that my power is relatively useless. But if there are 2 NK's again, the situation looks grim for me. Currently I'm mostly angry at myself for already pushing two mislynches (worse still, one away from a confirmed scum and one away from a likely scum). I never believed I'd say this, but maybe people should listen to Ace more. He's been likely correct about two lynches already and I doubt he'd be bussing this ruthlessly as scum. Also, his posts after being nuked were pretty townish. With that said, I have reached a new conclusion on who the remaining 4 scum probably are (if it's a normal setup and around 20% of the players are scum). I also have an idea on who might be the 3rd party (likely an SK-type role but with nukes instead of NK's). And I'm pretty confident in my townreads at the moment. I'm considering if I should A) save everything for right before the nightpost to make scum's targeting harder B) post before that to encourage more discussion and help polish my reads / answer questions (since I'm likely dead now anyways) I can't really post for a bit (just typing on my phone hastily atm), but I think I could finish my "last will" several hours before the deadline. Opinions? I am in the same position as you Xatalos(except I backed off the ON lynch at the last second). I don't know why everyone thinks you and me are town, honestly. I think you are town because you mirror my behavior and you probably think the same of me for the same reason. There is little reason why any rational observer should think the same. As for the decision you need to make... I want you to save your scumreads for the time right before the nightpost, HOWEVER, I don't think we should stop discussing reads altogether. That would only serve to help scum. Therefore, I have a few questions for you. 1) We currently have Alakaslam claiming Russian Technician. We have lost a town sided North-Korean Technician and we have killed a scum sided North-Korean Technician. Do you doubt the veracity of Alakaslam's claim at all based on this new information? 2) We have Onegu/SnB/You all claiming The Immune One. You are in a very unique position to handle this issue because you are 100% certain about your own alignment. Therefore, your opinion on the matter is on critical importance. You have already stated that you think SnB is the most likely to be scum in the group claim. However, Onegu has voted on both mislynches and SnB voted to lynch Dandel who flipped scum. Are you willing to hold your stance based on this contradictory information? 3) Who would be your best vigi target if you had a nuke? | ||
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Koshi
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Anyway, I stated from the start that I would vote Maju over VA, only if a train started on FirmTofu I would follow that train. I am new to the game, and I dont want to use that as an excuse, but I don't understand how it is better to boss up the thread and be completely wrong than to follow people and helping the people that make the most sense. Then to discuss my decision to go jampi. First I found it suspicious that jampi is more of a lurker, but when his ass is on the line he suddenly jumps in and has all the time in the world to defend himself. Second, I only voted MajuG because I wanted to protect VA (which I only did because I feel he was less scum than FirmTofu, but I seem to be in the minority here). Third, it is not only MajuG but Tofu, Xatalos and I think one more guy who decided to use MajuG his nuke this way. (Which was also very strange of Tofu to not pick VA here.) I will now work on a list where I give my opinion on all the people still alive. PS I just refreshed before posting this and I must say that it speaks somewhat in FirmTofu favor that he keeps pushing things. I just think he does it on a strange way. Or at least when I joined the game he was doing it strangely. I am getting used to it now... | ||
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Xatalos
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Oatsmaster
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Xatalos
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Koshi
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+ Show Spoiler + Has saved 2 people from dying so far. Xatalos and Ace are on my town list so I think Oatsmaster is town as well. If he is scum he should have kept his mouth shut about Xatalos and not claim his role. Stutters695 Doesn’t say anything but voted on jampi. I don’t know why anybody would do that. Unless there is a role that gives nukes when you don’t speak. That doesn’t make any sense so… I can’t say he is scum, but I would put my vote on him if he is up against any active player. Z-BosoN + Show Spoiler + Is passive active. I kinda like the list he gave, except me being scum obviously. I might have done a stupid thing to cover for VA so new in this game. Either way I think Z-BosoN or VA are scum. VayneAuthority I read the entire log from VA just now. I am quite surprised that it is so small. I could swear that I read VA and FirmTofu their log before picking a side, but it seems I just read FirmTofy his log and then made a conclusion. So this is pretty silly of me. Anyway, VA is still not superscummy, but he picked on my guy Ghost for voting on ON. While my guy just placed his vote while being afk. So out all of the votes for ON, it is really stupid to pick out my guy. I am now realizing I have made a mistake on trusting VA so easily. I will keep an extra eye on VA from now on, so I don’t make that mistake again. [UoN]Sentinel + Show Spoiler + 99% town for me after XigXag turned out to be scum. The1 % missing is that it such a ballsy move to do it. Ace + Show Spoiler + You guys respect him so I respect him. I don’t really have a read but he is a pretty calm and good player for me. He is also very active. MajuGarzett + Show Spoiler + Very inactive, gave his nuke away and then went afk. Giving away his nuke is a town thing to do in my eyes, I would do the same if I was targeted and had a nuke. Johnnywup + Show Spoiler + I think he is town because he likes to help people and makes cool reads. Like pointing out that both scum and town come from N Korea. Nothing in his log to make me suspicious except maybe nuking Tangeng. Onegu + Show Spoiler + Looks to be playing without secrets, which makes him town for me. Other people also like him a lot. Geript + Show Spoiler + I don’t understand why he didn’t help Ace but he did help jampi.. But the real strange thing about this is that he uses his defensive missile to help out jampi, while pushing the agenda against MG, but then eventually swaps to lynching jampi??? That doesn’t make any sense. Unless I am reading this wrong because nobody else is finding this strange? Scum or really bad play. Strongandbig + Show Spoiler + Only 2 pages of posts. The last page is filled with accusations against VA. I am just going to put him on my inactive list? He did roleclaim, and seems to be itchy about it. But meh… Gumshoe + Show Spoiler + Went afk with his last sentence being “XD I'll provide as many reads as I can before the night deadline.” Why do people do that? Xatalos + Show Spoiler + Everybody respects him, so I respect him. Unlike Ace Xatalos is wrong about everything though. Pushed the nuke and pushed the lynch… If FirmTofu is scum, this guy might be scum as well. But it would be soooooo obvious. Even I know that a bit of secrecy is good in this game. CaucasianAsian + Show Spoiler + I like the guy, he is always nice to me. But he is even more useless in this game than in the TL+ game. He is on my inactive list. Alakasam + Show Spoiler + Likes to play the game like I would like to do. Joking around a bit while making serious posts in between. I like him. Town for me. WaveofShadow + Show Spoiler + Went inactive as soon as I joined the game. Kinda hard for me to make a read. I am going to skip on this one. FirmTofu + Show Spoiler + I don’t like this guy his playstyle from the moment I joined. I am getting used to it now but seriously, everybody is scum in his eyes except the people that agree with him and the people that are AFK. I also don’t like that the general mindset is activity + controversy= being town.. I will not be following this guy his lead, but for the moment he is not my biggest lynchtarget either. I don’t’ get how my previous guy is suspicious on the Day 1 lynch. Putting him on number 1 of another famous FirmTofu list of scum targets is very strange. But on the other hand, if you are on number 1 of a FirmTofu scum target list, you are not going to die of a nuke if he gets one. lol Anyway, kidding aside, I guess the general mindset is that you are town so I will follow that mindset. Chezinu + Show Spoiler + Super random guy that actually spoilers his scum lists and hides them in big extravaganza fluff posts. I even think that a lot of people missed it because of that. Even though I pointed it out earlier. Or maybe everybody is just ignoring this guy. I like him because he is a fun poster. But kinda hard to not vote for him in a lynch race like this. Also seems a bit inactive. austinmcc + Show Spoiler + When I joined the game this guy was taking the lead while also making sense, he is for me on the same level as Xatalos. Town for me. | ||
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Koshi
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Koshi
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1. Geript 2. I actually only have one... I don't know how to search for them. But seriously Geript. Why did you shoot down that missile and then jumped on the jampi train? This doesn't make sense at all. Is it killing a nuke to build town kred (even if town hates you for it) and then lynching the guy to prove you were right to shoot down the nuke. That is the only thing that sounds logical to me. | ||
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Koshi
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1. Sentinel 2. Xatalos 3. Oatsmaster 4. Austinmcc (also deserves to be on this list) | ||
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Koshi
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1. Stutters (wtf) 2. CA 3. Gumshoe CA is actually being here, while Gumshoe just left the building. | ||
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Koshi
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Onegu
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
On July 12 2013 20:05 Onegu wrote: Xata visit someone tonight dont forget, I am leaning toward geript, firm tofu, MG or WoS. I doubt it's gonna achieve anything, but I think I'm gonna visit Stutters695 just in case (under the assumption that Ace nukes MajuGarzett). Stutters is the kind of player that has a decent chance of flipping scum, but even if he's town, he's a super-easy mislynch wagon that scum would gladly see happen. It would also be a waste of a day to lynch someone like him (zero info to be gained and a whole day wasted). Thus he is an optimal KP target even while a sub-optimal lynch target. On July 12 2013 16:19 FirmTofu wrote: I am in the same position as you Xatalos(except I backed off the ON lynch at the last second). I don't know why everyone thinks you and me are town, honestly. I think you are town because you mirror my behavior and you probably think the same of me for the same reason. There is little reason why any rational observer should think the same. As for the decision you need to make... I want you to save your scumreads for the time right before the nightpost, HOWEVER, I don't think we should stop discussing reads altogether. That would only serve to help scum. Therefore, I have a few questions for you. 1) We currently have Alakaslam claiming Russian Technician. We have lost a town sided North-Korean Technician and we have killed a scum sided North-Korean Technician. Do you doubt the veracity of Alakaslam's claim at all based on this new information? 2) We have Onegu/SnB/You all claiming The Immune One. You are in a very unique position to handle this issue because you are 100% certain about your own alignment. Therefore, your opinion on the matter is on critical importance. You have already stated that you think SnB is the most likely to be scum in the group claim. However, Onegu has voted on both mislynches and SnB voted to lynch Dandel who flipped scum. Are you willing to hold your stance based on this contradictory information? 3) Who would be your best vigi target if you had a nuke? 1) It certainly puts some new doubt on Alakaslam, but he still reads town to me. Just his carefree and spontaneous posting style alone screams town at me. His role breadcrumbing is now closer to null, although still slightly townish (basically limiting his own options to lie in the future to benefit town). 2) Onegu's roleclaim felt very sincere and "breadcrumbed" in a natural way that's not easy to fake. He still might be a scum Immune One though. S&b voting for DI looks good for him, but remember that DI has begged to be bussed in the past as scum. I'd still say Onegu is town and s&b scum. Onegu's actions (especially considering his role) haven't felt planned while s&b's posts have felt more constructed and his claim came at an unnatural timing (just buying some towncred with incoming nukes in mind?). 3) MajuGarzett. Then Stutters695 probably, if MajuGarzett was already nuked. Also LOL @ "Xatalos has been wrong about everything" :D At least I was right about rayn while Ace claimed he was a liar and a scum... And we'll see if I'm right or wrong about my latest reads. | ||
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Koshi
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Koshi
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Z-BosoN
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On July 12 2013 21:46 Koshi wrote: @Z_BosoN You can say what you want, but this thread is slow in my prime playtime. And if it makes you happy, I will vote for geript as soon as day comes and I am still alive. Why geript? What do you think makes him scum? | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
On July 12 2013 22:12 Z-BosoN wrote: Why geript? What do you think makes him scum? Did Koshi scumslip here? he thinks geript is scummy for shooting down a nuke to hit Maju and we didn't even flip Maju yet. Does he know Maju is scum? Everyone should ask themselves this question, as this is a potential actual slip when we see the Maju flip. | ||
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Onegu
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Onegu
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