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On June 24 2013 11:55 Chromatically wrote:
Or a framer/scum tracker not carrying the hit can claim NN if they see that no one else has done so, and become "confirmed town".
HS, who's scum?
That would be a risky claim though, as if we do end up lynching town I would rather lynch NN than any other town member. This is also why I do not think that NN should claim though.
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As an aside, I would prefer if the accusations remained within the confines of this game and this game only. That is to say, judging people on the differences between their past games and this one is a rather boring way to play the game.
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Can I change my TL post timestamps to EST, so they match with the ones from previous QTs? If so, how?
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On June 24 2013 12:01 FirmTofu wrote:
As an aside, I would prefer if the accusations remained within the confines of this game and this game only. That is to say, judging people on the differences between their past games and this one is a rather boring way to play the game.
But on day one, is that not all we have to go off of?
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On June 24 2013 12:07 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 12:01 FirmTofu wrote:
As an aside, I would prefer if the accusations remained within the confines of this game and this game only. That is to say, judging people on the differences between their past games and this one is a rather boring way to play the game. But on day one, is that not all we have to go off of?
No, Hurricane Sponge kindly provided some objectionable material for us to look over. Take some to go over some of Spicy Dinosaur's posts as well.
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Alright, it appears that my plan has oversights that are unacceptable risks at this juncture. Thank you to the veteran players (or just simply better players) who found them so quickly. Personally, I'm more concerned about Chromatic's point (regarding letting mafia call their shot on blues) than the risk of a mafia-tracker claiming NN, but I will not protest if we continue the scum-hunt without regard for my posted plan.
To me, everyone who is posting one-liners looks spammy to me, but I think the 'everyone is scum until they convince me otherwise' mentality isn't the worst thing in the world. Spicy and Xzavier are on my radar for the fluff and nonsense at the beginning. Chromatically and FirmTofu seem the most town as they were very quick to point out what were (in their view) flaws in a plan to move forward that may have compromised the town.
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On June 24 2013 12:07 hzflank wrote:
Can I change my TL post timestamps to EST, so they match with the ones from previous QTs? If so, how?
you should be able to handle this by going into your tl profile and managing your timezone from there. That's how I did it but it was a while back
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On June 24 2013 12:10 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
Alright, it appears that my plan has oversights that are unacceptable risks at this juncture. Thank you to the veteran players (or just simply better players) who found them so quickly. Personally, I'm more concerned about Chromatic's point (regarding letting mafia call their shot on blues) than the risk of a mafia-tracker claiming NN, but I will not protest if we continue the scum-hunt without regard for my posted plan.
To me, everyone who is posting one-liners looks spammy to me, but I think the 'everyone is scum until they convince me otherwise' mentality isn't the worst thing in the world. Spicy and Xzavier are on my radar for the fluff and nonsense at the beginning. Chromatically and FirmTofu seem the most town as they were very quick to point out what were (in their view) flaws in a plan to move forward that may have compromised the town.
For the time being, I am willing to forgive you for your plan because I honestly believe it was a newbie mistake. However, I reserve the right to change my opinion!
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On June 24 2013 12:10 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
Alright, it appears that my plan has oversights that are unacceptable risks at this juncture. Thank you to the veteran players (or just simply better players) who found them so quickly. Personally, I'm more concerned about Chromatic's point (regarding letting mafia call their shot on blues) than the risk of a mafia-tracker claiming NN, but I will not protest if we continue the scum-hunt without regard for my posted plan.
To me, everyone who is posting one-liners looks spammy to me, but I think the 'everyone is scum until they convince me otherwise' mentality isn't the worst thing in the world. Spicy and Xzavier are on my radar for the fluff and nonsense at the beginning. Chromatically and FirmTofu seem the most town as they were very quick to point out what were (in their view) flaws in a plan to move forward that may have compromised the town.
What sort of "fluff and nonsense" do you see from them?
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On June 24 2013 11:53 Spicydinosaur wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 24 2013 11:43 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 11:25 Chromatically wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 24 2013 11:17 Spicydinosaur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 11:13 Chromatically wrote:On June 24 2013 11:02 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Hey everyone Well, it's hard to decide whether the "hey" part or the "everyone" part is scummier. Really a toss up. What could you possibly expect me to explain? You're taking this awfully seriously. Why did you take so long to reply if you were in the thread? Not taking it super seriously, just busting you back. I posted in the thread then went back to reddit. Checked the thread again after a few minutes. I'll be around tonight and early tomorrow morning. And hey Xzavier. Hmm. In both other newbie games, you started out with a policy post about lurkers. Any particular reason why you changed for this game? I noticed that too. This is Spicy's first post in his previous game, where he was town: Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 10:47 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Hey everyone, I'll get the ball rolling. One of the most important things I've learned about day 1 is to make sure that town is active and posting USEFUL information and not just fluff. Lurkers do nothing to help town and are scummy. As such, I will and I encourage others, to pressure lurkers to post. That is quite a lot more content than his first post in this thread: Sheeping off of others opinions already? Also heres the QT chat i was referring too. Though i dont know how to post to a specific QT box Heres the QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/YXgCU77iVMsaand its posts: 11, 16, 21. Spicydinosaur http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18810769+ Show Spoiler +
Fluffity fluff fluff fluff, I will, Fluffity fluff.
vote spicy as not the towniest MOFU in thread.
umasi xzav and yvanna are town
random guy that thinks hes better than he is and fferyl are probably town but not that much
i'd lynch firere and spicy for now
not sure about the third
spicy should be killed with fire
Furthermore you should look back at my other 2 games if you want to see what my openings were. They too were different.
Fair enough. To be honest I am surprised that you got those negative comments for your first post in that thread, but then what do I know? I do not think that talk of sheeping (I had already started my post when he posted his) on day one is useful, but I do believe you as to why your first post was just the two words.
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The Case on Xzavier being spammy:
On June 24 2013 11:03 Xzavier wrote:
Spicy <3 hello again.
On June 24 2013 11:20 Xzavier wrote:
yup, im watching fullmetal alchemist then between episodes or every 5-10 min refreshing this.
Okay i lie, i have 2 windows open and im spamming F5 on this page.
Right now conversation is just picking up. Its smalltalk lol, then somebody is like: HEY FUCK YOU ##VOTE
then shit gets real
On June 24 2013 11:38 Xzavier wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 11:36 Chromatically wrote:
Alright, I see. What do you think of Xzavier so far? hes the sexiest motherfucker alive. obviously. also town.
On June 24 2013 11:31 Xzavier wrote:
witch-hunting
witch-hunting everywhere....
i feel the need to say everything that pops into my mind. obviously
On June 24 2013 11:21 Xzavier wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 11:15 FirmTofu wrote:Scum Hunt Day 1:On June 24 2013 10:59 Chromatically wrote:
hey guys Analysis: Trying to appear friendly with an innocuous greeting. Seems to project an air of insecurity. Preliminary Conclusion: Scum On June 24 2013 11:01 StiMaDDict wrote:
so it begins.. Analysis: Neutral statement of fact. Preliminary Conclusion: Need more information. On June 24 2013 11:02 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Hey everyone Analysis: Exudes power with strong capitalization techniques along with a greeting. Preliminary Conclusion: A leader with a powerful role. On June 24 2013 11:03 Xzavier wrote:
Spicy <3 hello again. Analysis: Trying to establish a connection with a player that he has interacted with prior to this game. A metagaming, manipulative sort of move. Preliminary Conclusion: Scummy On June 24 2013 11:04 Chromatically wrote:
Why so scummy, Spicy? Analysis: First baseless accusation. As the old chinese proverb states, "He who smelt it, dealt it." Preliminary Conclusion: Scum Suggested Lynch: Chromatically jesus somebody went a long way to post alot of nothing xD
None of this is useable for me. That could just be me sucking at reads (no, really. This is a possibility), but none of this material brings anything new to the table for me or encourages serious scum-hunting discussion.
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Another reason why I do not think NN should claim is that the scum ideally want to kill good town roles and the last townie they want to kill is the NN. While the NN does not claim they may be targeted for a night kill, and I would much prefer NN to be night killed that for a tracker etc to be night killed.
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On June 24 2013 12:11 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 12:07 hzflank wrote:
Can I change my TL post timestamps to EST, so they match with the ones from previous QTs? If so, how? you should be able to handle this by going into your tl profile and managing your timezone from there. That's how I did it but it was a while back
Nope, the posts still have Korean time stamps. It doesn't matter, I will just have to keep adding 13 hours. If I cannot manage that then I am not smart enough to play this game anyway 
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On June 24 2013 12:24 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
The Case on Xzavier being spammy:
None of this is useable for me. That could just be me sucking at reads (no, really. This is a possibility), but none of this material brings anything new to the table for me or encourages serious scum-hunting discussion.
Yeah, he's spammy, sure. Yeah, he hasn't contributed much, sure. Unfortunately, there are plenty of people who haven't contributed and spam is ok at this point because there isn't a whole lot to talk about. I don't this is sufficient evidence to justify a lynch.
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The Case for Spicy:
On June 24 2013 11:02 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Hey everyone
On June 24 2013 11:09 Spicydinosaur wrote:Please point out and explain exactly what you think is scummy.
On June 24 2013 11:17 Spicydinosaur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 11:13 Chromatically wrote:On June 24 2013 11:02 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Hey everyone Well, it's hard to decide whether the "hey" part or the "everyone" part is scummier. Really a toss up. What could you possibly expect me to explain? You're taking this awfully seriously. Why did you take so long to reply if you were in the thread? Not taking it super seriously, just busting you back. I posted in the thread then went back to reddit. Checked the thread again after a few minutes. I'll be around tonight and early tomorrow morning. And hey Xzavier.
He later comes in with some actual(if not elegant) points on the game, but they're both just him defending his play in previous games:
On June 24 2013 11:42 Spicydinosaur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 11:36 Chromatically wrote:
Alright, I see. What do you think of Xzavier so far? Spamming more than I like.
On June 24 2013 11:53 Spicydinosaur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 11:43 hzflank wrote:On June 24 2013 11:25 Chromatically wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 24 2013 11:17 Spicydinosaur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 11:13 Chromatically wrote:On June 24 2013 11:02 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Hey everyone Well, it's hard to decide whether the "hey" part or the "everyone" part is scummier. Really a toss up. What could you possibly expect me to explain? You're taking this awfully seriously. Why did you take so long to reply if you were in the thread? Not taking it super seriously, just busting you back. I posted in the thread then went back to reddit. Checked the thread again after a few minutes. I'll be around tonight and early tomorrow morning. And hey Xzavier. Hmm. In both other newbie games, you started out with a policy post about lurkers. Any particular reason why you changed for this game? I noticed that too. This is Spicy's first post in his previous game, where he was town: On June 06 2013 10:47 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Hey everyone, I'll get the ball rolling. One of the most important things I've learned about day 1 is to make sure that town is active and posting USEFUL information and not just fluff. Lurkers do nothing to help town and are scummy. As such, I will and I encourage others, to pressure lurkers to post. That is quite a lot more content than his first post in this thread: On June 24 2013 11:02 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Hey everyone Sheeping off of others opinions already? Also heres the QT chat i was referring too. Though i dont know how to post to a specific QT box Heres the QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/YXgCU77iVMsaand its posts: 11, 16, 21. Spicydinosaur http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18810769Show nested quote +
Fluffity fluff fluff fluff, I will, Fluffity fluff.
vote spicy as not the towniest MOFU in thread.
Show nested quote +
umasi xzav and yvanna are town
random guy that thinks hes better than he is and fferyl are probably town but not that much
i'd lynch firere and spicy for now
not sure about the third
Furthermore you should look back at my other 2 games if you want to see what my openings were. They too were different.
Not my favorite play in the world, but at least it's content.
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On June 24 2013 12:27 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 12:11 geript wrote:On June 24 2013 12:07 hzflank wrote:
Can I change my TL post timestamps to EST, so they match with the ones from previous QTs? If so, how? you should be able to handle this by going into your tl profile and managing your timezone from there. That's how I did it but it was a while back Nope, the posts still have Korean time stamps. It doesn't matter, I will just have to keep adding 13 hours. If I cannot manage that then I am not smart enough to play this game anyway
Host is dumb (<3); there is no way to change it. Weird I know, but it's an homage/(relic) to TL's BW roots I suppose. You kinda have to calculate timezone differences yourself or use the clocks in the top right corner of TL.
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On June 24 2013 12:10 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
Alright, it appears that my plan has oversights that are unacceptable risks at this juncture. Thank you to the veteran players (or just simply better players) who found them so quickly. Personally, I'm more concerned about Chromatic's point (regarding letting mafia call their shot on blues) than the risk of a mafia-tracker claiming NN, but I will not protest if we continue the scum-hunt without regard for my posted plan.
To me, everyone who is posting one-liners looks spammy to me, but I think the 'everyone is scum until they convince me otherwise' mentality isn't the worst thing in the world. Spicy and Xzavier are on my radar for the fluff and nonsense at the beginning. Chromatically and FirmTofu seem the most town as they were very quick to point out what were (in their view) flaws in a plan to move forward that may have compromised the town.
An intro post saying hi and then answering questions is now fluff?
If you want to talk about fluff then look to your first post.
On June 24 2013 11:46 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
Ugh, let's avoid the 'should we lynch lurkers talk' shall we?
I'm gonna go ahead and post the play I had written earlier this week analyzing this game from a pro-town perspective. If any of my analysis is off-base, please jump in and steer me back on track.
Pre-written segment starts now:
Alright, chums. First let me state that in NO WAY is the following message a call for a mass claim. If you are the Parity Cop (assuming you even exist), DO NOT SAY SO. In fact, if you're our town's parity cop, it's probably better if you appear to ignore what I'm about to say completely. Same goes for Trackers and Watchers. DO NOT CLAIM. But read carefully, because you are a big part of whether we succeed or fail (whether we follow my plan or not).
Nothing useful. All you say is dont claim or dont listen to you.
Now everyone, pay attention: Looking over the roles, the extremely juicy pro-town potential jumped right off the page at me, as I hope it did to many of you. Trackers can tell us if a person visits someone. Pretty good, but not nearly as good as the Watcher, who can pick a person and sees all who visit them. Obviously, this means we can try to guess the guy who's going to be mafia-killed, and we have a couple shots at seeing if he either gets visited, or manage to Track the mafia member who happens to be tagged to do the deed. Not great odds on either, but still better than nothing.
My plan utilizes each role to their maximum potential. Because we are not guaranteed to have a Tracker, Watcher, or even a Parity Cop, it's important that for the roles we DO get, we use them efficiently. The Watcher needs to guess the target they think will be mafia-killed tonight. This is up to your judgement, but I'll make a recommendation later today.
Just restating whats in the OP. spam
The fun part comes with the Tracker and the Nosy Neighbor (and by extension Parity Cop). The Tracker should secretly track the Nosy Neighbor. AGAIN, MR. OR MRS. TRACKER: DO NOT CLAIM NOW. If we have a Nosy Neighbor, they should claim IMMEDIATELY. Once the Tracker can confirm that the Nosy Neighbor is in fact moving around at night, but not visiting the person who got Mafia-killed, WE CAN ESTABLISH HIM AS TOWN. This is a big deal. The Parity Cop can then tag the confirmed Nosy Neighbor as Town and start measuring up suspects against them. If he gets a 'Different' claim, the other person is Scum. If he gets 'Same', they are town.
Horrible idea for someone to claim at all this early.
I can elaborate further, but I feel like you can all piece together whatever holes are out there without me holding your hand even further. This is an extremely pro-town set-up (assuming there aren't a bunch of red herrings in which case, Hi I'm sponge, and I just gave you all the book on me.) and I'd like to move fast before mafia can organize their thoughts in their private little forum. If we move fast, and force independent action, they lose one of their many advantages.
More fluff with nothing of substance.
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Quoted Player List for reference:
We still have yet to hear from Onegu, fyfy, Alakaslam, and LoneMeow.
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On June 24 2013 12:28 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 12:24 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
The Case on Xzavier being spammy:
None of this is useable for me. That could just be me sucking at reads (no, really. This is a possibility), but none of this material brings anything new to the table for me or encourages serious scum-hunting discussion.
Yeah, he's spammy, sure. Yeah, he hasn't contributed much, sure. Unfortunately, there are plenty of people who haven't contributed and spam is ok at this point because there isn't a whole lot to talk about. I don't this is sufficient evidence to justify a lynch.
Sorry, I'm not making a case for a lynch right this second. I'm responding to Chromatically who asked me to validate my point when I called Xzavier and Spicy's posts full of 'fluff and nonsense'. I should have quoted his question to be clear.
Side note: Spam may be 'ok' right now in the eyes of the Meta, but I still don't have to like it. Call it a pet peeve. I will always prefer people bringing meaningful content forward rather than cluttering up the board. (Big leap, I know.)
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