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FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
June 24 2013 23:17 GMT
#348
Not going to continue this pointless argument.
On June 25 2013 08:14 Spicydinosaur wrote:
I've said everything i need to defend myself and anyone looking at it will see how weak your argument is.

That just about sums up my position as well. I would like to hear other people's thoughts on the matter.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
June 25 2013 02:15 GMT
#360
On June 25 2013 11:09 Xzavier wrote:
okay, i just want to say that half of you are fucking retarded,


now, im watching day9. after him, im going to show you all how fucking retarded you are.

How quaint.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
June 25 2013 02:33 GMT
#362
On June 25 2013 11:16 Chromatically wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 11:09 Xzavier wrote:
okay, i just want to say that half of you are fucking retarded,


now, im watching day9. after him, im going to show you all how fucking retarded you are.

Wow, you replied quickly for someone who has been mysteriously absent all day.

Also very, very defensive.

I got a warning for being moderately condescending in a heated debate and this guy gets off scot free for trashing half the town with vulgar language. Color me surprised.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
June 25 2013 04:28 GMT
#383
This is good. We are starting to see two groups of people voting for 2 distinctly different people. This will tell us quite a bit post-lynch about who is aligned with who, regardless of the flip. I will not proclaim my leanings yet as we still have to hear from quite a few people and we still have some time before the lynch.

I believe hzflank, Xzavier, and Onegu have all voted Aquanim and Chromatically and Aquanim have both voted Xzavier.

It is funny that hzflank's theory could still be real.

I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
June 25 2013 04:31 GMT
#385
On June 25 2013 13:28 FirmTofu wrote:
This is good. We are starting to see two groups of people voting for 2 distinctly different people. This will tell us quite a bit post-lynch about who is aligned with who, regardless of the flip. I will not proclaim my leanings yet as we still have to hear from quite a few people and we still have some time before the lynch.

I believe hzflank, Xzavier, and Onegu have all voted Aquanim and Chromatically and Aquanim have both voted Xzavier.

It is funny that hzflank's theory could still be real.



EBWOP: Add Meow to the list of people voting for Xzavier.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
June 25 2013 05:45 GMT
#404
On June 25 2013 14:36 Xzavier wrote:
Okay. heres something plane and simple. what scum in their right mind would call everybody fkn retarded? thats a death wish as scum. it brings so much attention to you. but it CAN be useful as town.

How is calling everyone retarded useful as town? You are quite the character, sir.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
June 25 2013 05:55 GMT
#408
On June 25 2013 14:49 Xzavier wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 14:45 FirmTofu wrote:
On June 25 2013 14:36 Xzavier wrote:
Okay. heres something plane and simple. what scum in their right mind would call everybody fkn retarded? thats a death wish as scum. it brings so much attention to you. but it CAN be useful as town.

How is calling everyone retarded useful as town? You are quite the character, sir.



It provokes reaction albiet im regretting that decision as i recieved a warning for it, rightfully so.
However its useless and counterproductive for scum play.

Well, your statement would be valid if you were referring to a singular person. By calling everyone all you do is piss everyone off and make yourself look like an asshole. Might want to keep that in mind for the future.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
June 25 2013 06:16 GMT
#416
Hey Xzavier, what do you think about Spicy? Would you be willing to switch your vote onto him?
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
June 25 2013 07:35 GMT
#430
On June 25 2013 15:29 Xzavier wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 15:16 FirmTofu wrote:
Hey Xzavier, what do you think about Spicy? Would you be willing to switch your vote onto him?


Honestly not today. he did a really good jpb as town last game and gave some good insights.

After going threw his filter it seems like he was forced into a defensive posting pattern due to pressure. he hasnt said much recently.

Honestly i wouldnt mind lynching alakazam day 1.

But ill giv him a chance to respond.

Im really not liking chrom or auqa for their tunnelling me while ignoring logic and basing everything off of the fact that i havnt caught scum yet or made a case.

The fact that you are willing to change your vote to Alakazam but not Spicy is rather arbitrary. When facing death, a townie would be willing to change his vote to anyone to stay alive. You have sealed your fate in my eyes with this response and have furthered confirmed my suspicions of Spicy.

As it seems very few people agree with my suspicions of Spicy, I will defer to a sub-optimal lynch of you.
##Unvote: SpicyDinosaur
##Vote: Xzavier
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
June 25 2013 07:48 GMT
#433
On June 25 2013 16:45 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 16:33 Aquanim wrote:
On June 25 2013 16:01 Onegu wrote:
On June 25 2013 15:50 Aquanim wrote:
On June 25 2013 15:48 fyfy wrote:
I'm getting the read now that Aquanim is more scum than Xzavier as Aqua seems to be extremely defensive and I maintain my belief that Xzavier just types like a scum. Reading through the discussion, I am under the belief that Aquanim is scum.

##Vote: Aquanim

Can you explain this some more? What exactly about my play do you think is scum-motivated?

Can you please post your case against me as the only thing you have said is I didnt respond when things were going on, well I was going to sleep when HZ posted his case, I responded to the NN thing and have scum hunted and tried to create a useful town atmosphere.

I have no idea what this request has to do with the post you quoted, but whatever...

The first page and a half or so of your filter is just talking about policy, power roles and random fluff without any particular intention of finding scum. This isn't damning in as of itself, early game does tend to be like that, but the entirety of your efforts in the direction of finding scum is an overwhelming tunnel of myself.

As far as I can tell, you haven't looked at anyone else at all, and endlessly tunneling a likely lynch target for the day while repeating the same old arguments (made by other people before you, mostly) over and over is a good way to look active while not actually bringing anything new to the table or having to pretend to do some original scumhunting. You haven't made any significant and new contributions to the thread, which is scum's natural state.

That being said, I think it's possible that you're town and that you think tunneling me like this is accomplishing something, which is why I'm voting Xzavier over you.

Actually I have made a scum hunt albit small on alakaslam, I think he is noob scum which isnt as important as killing a scum who knows what they are doing.

Jesus Christ bud, if you think he's scum, by all means vote him. It's not like you know of any scum who know what they're doing, so you not voting for Alakasam is extremely suspicious to me.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
June 25 2013 08:01 GMT
#436
Going to bed, be back in about 9 hours!
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
June 25 2013 16:03 GMT
#486
I've skimmed through the thread to get a handle on where people are leaning.

Scenario 1: Xzavier is town
Mafia should be distancing themselves from the lynch and somewhat defending him.

Scenario 2: Xzavier is mafia
Mafia should be vehemently arguing in his defense while also trying to distance themselves from him. It's a balancing act that is hard to do.

Keep an eye out for people who fall into the latter category for now.

On another note, I agree with Hurricane that StiM is the best lynch for today. However, letting Aqua die is simply not an option. We only lynch StiM if we know we can get enough votes.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
June 25 2013 16:42 GMT
#496
Hey guys sorry to be that guy, but I made a preliminary vote count list and I figured I might as well show you until the mods show up.

Chromatically (0): Aquanim, hzflank
fyfy (0): FirmTofu
hzflank (0): Chromatically
FirmTofu (0): Alakaslam
Spicydinosaur (0): FirmTofu
Xzavier (4): LoneMeow, Chromatically, Aquanim, FirmTofu
Aquanim (4): Onegu, yfy, hzflank, Xzavier, Alakaslam, StiMaDDict
Alakaslam (1): Onegu
Hurricane Sponge (1): SpicyDinosaur
StiMaDDict (1): Hurricane Sponge

Not Voting:
NO ONE

Please correct if I made a mistake.

Xzavier is set to be lynched because of the tiebreaker. Assuming Onegu goes to the Aquanim lynch again, we will need Hurricane's vote to guarantee that Xzavier dies today instead of Aquanim. Everything is riding on one vote.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
June 25 2013 16:45 GMT
#497
EBWOP: fyfy*
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
June 25 2013 17:01 GMT
#499
Even now, it is still possible that Xzavier lives because we only have 5 votes. We should try convincing hzflank or Alakaslam to switch their votes.

As I suspect the Mafia team is as follows...
Xzavier
SpicyDinosaur
Onegu

They are trying not to make it obvious that they want to keep Xzavier alive. You can see how they are frantically looking for other scapegoats to shift attention off of Xzavier, but don't have much of a case.

Furthermore, my preliminary assessment of Alakaslam speaks to an SK mindset. I will go into further detail when it becomes applicable on Day 2.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
June 25 2013 17:06 GMT
#501
EBWOP: Add StiMaDDict to that list because we could have 4 mafia and no SK. Onegu/StiMaDDict is a coinflip for me.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
June 25 2013 17:23 GMT
#507
On June 26 2013 02:19 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2013 02:01 FirmTofu wrote:
Even now, it is still possible that Xzavier lives because we only have 5 votes. We should try convincing hzflank or Alakaslam to switch their votes.

As I suspect the Mafia team is as follows...
Xzavier
SpicyDinosaur
Onegu

They are trying not to make it obvious that they want to keep Xzavier alive. You can see how they are frantically looking for other scapegoats to shift attention off of Xzavier, but don't have much of a case.

Furthermore, my preliminary assessment of Alakaslam speaks to an SK mindset. I will go into further detail when it becomes applicable on Day 2.


To be honest I dont care who is killed if Xzavier flips town my vote will go on aquanim and if he flips scum I will vote Spicydinosaur. My current read on Xzavier is null with scum reads on alakaslam and aqua. With every post Alakaslam makes he looks more and more like noob scum to me.

Sounds great! Could you consider looking through Xzavier's filter and reading Chromatically's case against Xzavier and consider voting for him? I would be willing to take you off my scum list if you would do that.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
June 25 2013 17:24 GMT
#509
On June 26 2013 02:22 Chromatically wrote:
You don't care who is killed?

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhh
We are trying to convince him to vote Xzavier, not antagonize and interrogate him.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
June 25 2013 17:25 GMT
#510
EBWOP: Change 'not' to 'don't'
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
June 25 2013 17:51 GMT
#515
On June 26 2013 02:45 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
Reacting to what I just posted, the ideal mafia play if they were down a man and the Aqua bandwagon looked doomed to fail would be to switch to Stim. They'd figure I'd switch my vote, and I think FirmTofu mentioned he found Stim fishy as well. Of course, they wouldn't do this if Stim were mafia.

We're about to see some interesting play, I think.

Excellent points, Hurricane. I concur. We shall see if the votes switches hands soon enough. If StiM ends up getting a random bandwagon in the last few hours of the day, I would actually keep my vote on Xzavier, for these reasons.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
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