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On June 22 2013 23:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I kinda wanted to ask that because if you thought he is town for same reasons i did. You didn't. :/
Who do you think is scum, let's talk about them.
I rarely think the same as you, and I'm sure we're both pretty happy about that ^^
My scumreads are limited to the lurkers, I've already said what has to be said about Obvious and Ange (which isn't a great deal), and I could probably lynch either at this stage, although I prefer Obvious. Ange is an asset so hopefully she shows that today :x
Shiao says that goodkarma feels the same as he did in their scumgame, but to me gk feels the same as in Les Mis. He's been more around and active than he was in the scumgame, pushing his ideas some even if I don't really agree with them so much. GK has also had flashes of irritation which were present in Les Mis.
Sylencia is just absent, slOosh who knows. He sounds ok but that's about it
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I've said what I have to say about yamato already, nothing's really changed since then except my opinion has been slightly reinforced.
We appear to have different thoughts on his meta and how it applies; simply enough I think with reasonable conviction that my read on it is right and yours is not. I was going to take a couple of his posts and highlight stuff within them that sounds like "town" yamato, but the whole tone just sounds like him.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 22 2013 16:14 yamato77 wrote:
I have little no interest in further explaining the posts that I have already made. Read them yourselves if you fail to understand what I've said.
That being the case, it's ridiculously disturbing that Hapa comes in with a pseudo-case on me after Oats and DP both agree that I'm somehow still scummy. None of this was said while I was talking to Hapa earlier, nor has he seemed particularly enthusiastic about lynching me in the first place. Hapa as scum would be afraid to attack me openly and directly, especially without support, but Hapa as town would be fearless and bullheaded in his suspicion of me, if it actually existed.
The way Hapa has played this so far, I'm reasonably convinced that he is mafia. His noncommittal stance on me and his weak reads elsewhere are not what I would expect from town Hapa. This Hapa seems much more content with blending in than actually leading discussion, a trait that I associate directly with scum Hapa.
Looks like I should have gone with my gut from his first post.
##Vote Hapahauli On June 22 2013 17:10 yamato77 wrote:
My opinion of OO has changed. Upon re-examination, and due to his lack of contribution in over 24 hours, I now consider him a decent candidate for lynch.
Sloosh posted meaningful things, I'm willing to let him slide by. Sylencia is apparently replacing out, which is a scum tell lately. Everyone else besides yourself, DP, Ange, and Shaio seem relatively town enough for me to write them off FOR TODAY.
There are, indeed, other parts of Shaio's play I don't like, but they aren't convincing enough to make me want to lynch him. He was lynchbait in my first scumgame while he was alive, and you guys did end up lynching his replacement largely as a result of this.
Perhaps my phrasing has been poor this game, but being clear with how I feel about a particular player's posting when things are not as black and white as I'd like them to be is difficult. I think it's fairly obvious that I'm not particularly confident in any read. On June 22 2013 17:13 yamato77 wrote:
My problem with you is that you seem afraid to call me mafia, like you're scared that I'll insta-tunnel you for it and get you lynched. This doesn't feel like the organic line of questioning I usually receive from town Hapa at all.
Just like, the cockiness of saying "i've explained in my posts already, go read them", the hyperbole he utilises "it's ridiculously disturbing", and where he sounds like he's passing judgement from a position of authority "Sloosh posted meaningful things, I'm willing to let him slide by". I could go on, but I'm not really sure it would convince you if I did.
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Honestly the weirdest thing about Hapa to me is that he feels weird about you.
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We can back and forth on how you and I view yamato's meta, but I don't see the point. I think I know yamato better than you do and I think I'm right.
I don't really care why you think Cora is town. Why should I?
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Corazon, don't give me the shit that I'm trying to bully you into frustration.
I asked slOosh a question on ONE of your posts, and you responded with "omg marv are you really going to start that shit again you're so wrong you always tunnel me why do you even bother". Oh and "marv could be scum but I don't think stupidity is a scumtrait" again referring to a question I asked someone else.
Bully my fucking ass.
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On June 23 2013 00:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 00:10 marvellosity wrote:
We can back and forth on how you and I view yamato's meta, but I don't see the point. I think I know yamato better than you do and I think I'm right.
I don't really care why you think Cora is town. Why should I? Why shouldn't you? If i am town i have genuine reasons to believe he is town. If i am mafia i already know he is town, thus my reasons might not be genuine. Why are you not trying to read me at all? Have you just decided that i am town or do you somehow know i am town?
You're about my strongest townread and you share a townread on someone I have a townread on. It's just not very interesting.
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On June 23 2013 00:15 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 00:13 marvellosity wrote:
Corazon, don't give me the shit that I'm trying to bully you into frustration.
I asked slOosh a question on ONE of your posts, and you responded with "omg marv are you really going to start that shit again you're so wrong you always tunnel me why do you even bother". Oh and "marv could be scum but I don't think stupidity is a scumtrait" again referring to a question I asked someone else.
Bully my fucking ass. Marv if you think I'm town, why are you talking about me then? The point of the game is to catch scum.
I was asked about you. Did you not read that about ten minutes ago?
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Yes. For example, in Fruity mafia he did jack shit all day, and left his vote on some random outside person and abandoned the thread, despite the fact that there was a town wagon and a mafia wagon competing violently towards the end of the day. He just doesn't care.
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On June 23 2013 00:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 00:28 marvellosity wrote:
Yes. For example, in Fruity mafia he did jack shit all day, and left his vote on some random outside person and abandoned the thread, despite the fact that there was a town wagon and a mafia wagon competing violently towards the end of the day. He just doesn't care. Is it expected he is going to step up and play the game at any point if town? And if mafia?
He'll probably post somewhat more as town than mafia. Believe it or not his current posting frequency is reasonably decent compared to what he can do.
As time goes by as town he starts to care more and state his opinion and make a decent post or two, as mafia he'll just stay doing jack shit the whole game.
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On June 23 2013 00:42 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 00:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
DP comment on my case on Hapa kthxbye? You should vote for obvious cause we aren't lynching hapa day one.
Hapa's been lynched day 1 before and he was mafia. That's a cop out excuse DP.
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yamato was town in Personality dear.
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OO stop posting random-ass comments from 1.5 days ago, it's astonishingly unhelpful.
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On June 23 2013 01:00 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 00:43 marvellosity wrote:On June 23 2013 00:42 DarthPunk wrote:On June 23 2013 00:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
DP comment on my case on Hapa kthxbye? You should vote for obvious cause we aren't lynching hapa day one. Hapa's been lynched day 1 before and he was mafia. That's a cop out excuse DP. Hapa is not someone you lynch day one. Just like you. If he is scum it will be obvious later. It's not worth the risk of mislynching town hapa. I said all this before.
Yes, but you're wrong. No-one is unlynchable day 1. The reason it's a particularly bad idea to lynch me in particular day 1 is because my style swings around a lot so it's hard to get an accurate read. Hapa is actually a paragon of consistency.
Why don't you just comment on the case?
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slOosh really needs to step it up sooner rather than later :/ Ange too.
Not all the lurkers are gonna be mafia, so if you're town make an effort guise, pretty plz.
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On June 23 2013 01:09 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 01:03 marvellosity wrote:On June 23 2013 01:00 DarthPunk wrote:On June 23 2013 00:43 marvellosity wrote:On June 23 2013 00:42 DarthPunk wrote:On June 23 2013 00:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
DP comment on my case on Hapa kthxbye? You should vote for obvious cause we aren't lynching hapa day one. Hapa's been lynched day 1 before and he was mafia. That's a cop out excuse DP. Hapa is not someone you lynch day one. Just like you. If he is scum it will be obvious later. It's not worth the risk of mislynching town hapa. I said all this before. Yes, but you're wrong. No-one is unlynchable day 1. The reason it's a particularly bad idea to lynch me in particular day 1 is because my style swings around a lot so it's hard to get an accurate read. Hapa is actually a paragon of consistency. Why don't you just comment on the case? I don't agree. Hapa is rarely a good lynch day one.
You're becoming an increasingly good lynch.
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I'm in rayn
##Unvote
##Vote: DarthPunk
Also Oats/yamato, whatever you two are doing it's not helpful. Here, Oats, I went into yamato's filter myself for you just so you can stop asking him the same thing over and over.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2013 14:29 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 14:25 Hapahauli wrote:On June 21 2013 14:24 yamato77 wrote:On June 21 2013 14:22 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Yamato
We're at about ~5 pages of filter, so you should have enough information to carry this game. What are your thoughts on the players who have posted so far? Coag and DP are the only people I'm actually worried about at this point. Talk to me about DP a bit. It usually takes me a while to have a concrete read on him, so I'm surprised you have worries this early. He just hasn't done anything that would make me swing either way about him. This continued angry-man act is a bit disconcerting. On June 21 2013 14:32 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 14:31 DarthPunk wrote:On June 21 2013 14:29 yamato77 wrote:On June 21 2013 14:25 Hapahauli wrote:On June 21 2013 14:24 yamato77 wrote:On June 21 2013 14:22 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Yamato
We're at about ~5 pages of filter, so you should have enough information to carry this game. What are your thoughts on the players who have posted so far? Coag and DP are the only people I'm actually worried about at this point. Talk to me about DP a bit. It usually takes me a while to have a concrete read on him, so I'm surprised you have worries this early. He just hasn't done anything that would make me swing either way about him. This continued angry-man act is a bit disconcerting. So you are 'worried about me for no reason' and the only thing you mention is something which i have done consistently as both alignments since the beginning of time. Why would you mention me at all if you actually had no reason for the read? And what about coag? What has coag done to make you worried? It's precisely that neither of you have done anything particularly townish at all that worries me. It's obviously early, but I have quite a few soft town reads already. On June 22 2013 17:31 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2013 17:21 Hapahauli wrote:What about DP is cause for concern? I've seen you say that you "worry" about him a lot, but you've said virtually nothing specific about him. Also, Perhaps my phrasing has been poor this game, but being clear with how I feel about a particular player's posting when things are not as black and white as I'd like them to be is difficult. I think it's fairly obvious that I'm not particularly confident in any read. So is this a pressure vote on me or are you reasonably confident I'm mafia? On June 22 2013 17:13 yamato77 wrote:
My problem with you is that you seem afraid to call me mafia, like you're scared that I'll insta-tunnel you for it and get you lynched. This doesn't feel like the organic line of questioning I usually receive from town Hapa at all. Question: when have I ever been afraid to call someone mafia when I'm mafia? >> Do you think DP seems particularly interested in this game? I don't. You being timid in a game is how you seem as mafia. I don't like that you seem sheepish with your timing of questioning me right after Oats and DP state their suspicion of me. On June 23 2013 00:42 yamato77 wrote:
My reads have been consistent the whole game. Anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional, or simply can't read.
DP, your lack of giving a fuck about this game is exactly why I think you could be mafia. You haven't attempted to figure out anything in the game aside from at the very start, which is a poor way to play. It's easy to fake interest and involvement for a short period of time, but obviously your interest in this game has waned significantly over the course of the day, which is a trait I would associate with mafia, no matter how good he supposedly is.
Cora, you think I'm scum every game we play in. Take a step back, realize that I've been attempting to figure this game out with Hapa and Marv for a while, and go take a reread of the game where you don't assume that I'm mafia. I used to tunnel like you every game, but it gets you nowhere. What do you think about OO, Shaiopi, or Darthpunk? On June 23 2013 00:55 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 00:53 DarthPunk wrote:On June 23 2013 00:42 yamato77 wrote:
My reads have been consistent the whole game. Anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional, or simply can't read.
DP, your lack of giving a fuck about this game is exactly why I think you could be mafia. You haven't attempted to figure out anything in the game aside from at the very start, which is a poor way to play. It's easy to fake interest and involvement for a short period of time, but obviously your interest in this game has waned significantly over the course of the day, which is a trait I would associate with mafia, no matter how good he supposedly is.
Cora, you think I'm scum every game we play in. Take a step back, realize that I've been attempting to figure this game out with Hapa and Marv for a while, and go take a reread of the game where you don't assume that I'm mafia. I used to tunnel like you every game, but it gets you nowhere. What do you think about OO, Shaiopi, or Darthpunk? What the fuck. If you don't think I have been trying to figure the game out you are either scum or retarded or both.As to my drop off inn activity. It's saturday. I was being social. Your reads are essentially the same as they were over 24 hours ago and you basically refuse to talk about anything else. No, you aren't involved in figuring out the game.
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I'm sheeping rayn actually 
You don't get to decide who we do and don't lynch today, and whether you've been social or not, whatever you've done since you've got back hasn't been productive.
It shouldn't be beyond the wit of man, even an Australian! to comment on something that's been written.
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On June 23 2013 01:31 Oatsmaster wrote:
So why do you think he downright refuses to talk about anything as scum?
Same question for town to you 
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On June 23 2013 01:35 Oatsmaster wrote:
cause he doesnt want to derail lynch train on OO which you guys successfully did. Well done.
Notice OO is gone.
Actually you derailed it by asking yamato the same question 10 times to the point I had to filter him myself for you, and DP derailed it by simply not engaging with rayn on the case (as he's just done) and moving on.
OO has indeed gone and I hope he's still reading. slOosh and Ange are still gone.
##Unvote: DarthPunk
I was pretty much only voting him as significant pressure because he was irritating the shit out of me. One of the wise things that Dandel has said that people who irritate the shit out of you are rarely mafia. And we got an answer.
If there isn't scum between OO/slOosh/Ange I'll be amazed. We need to concentrate on them imo.
Out of yamato/DP/Hapa I feel strongest about yamato being town. I know rayn/cora/oats/whoever disagrees, but that's where I'm at. I agree with yamato that Hapa is doing a job like he's not managed very well before of looking town and interested, my primary counterpoint to this is how he seems to be suspicious of rayn when to me rayn should be one of his strongest townreads. that's worrying to me.
For DP, maybe he's scum, maybe he isn't. His early game seemed townish to me and he's just been stubborn now. For me at least he has to wait because he hasn't done anything massively lynchable today.
I'm back to Obvious.
##Vote: Obvious
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