PTP IV - Demon's Run

On June 21 2013 09:25 Zephirdd wrote:
please make interesting roles people. I don't want to be a bulletproof medic scum again.

On June 22 2013 17:40 Xatalos wrote:


LOL. This post *would* be scummy if it showed any actual effort to be safe from lynching. Now, it seems more like a clueless town post. On the other hand, might be 100% clueless Mafia...

On June 22 2013 21:23 Acrofales wrote:
In general, I am pretty suspicious of those who have come into the thread and lamented the pitiful state it is in (Kurumi), yet have shown absolutely NO inclination to improve it in any way, shape or form.

On June 22 2013 20:34 strongandbig wrote:
Sk8rboi having his vote on bc is pretty weird ATM. If he's really read up on tlmafia like he says then he must have some idea what he's doing.

I think he's trying to behave like "I not scared noob I vote big shot vet hurr hurr" and get people to have town reads on him. I don't like that. Fos on sk8rboi.

On June 23 2013 03:25 WaveofShadow wrote:

This question is very interesting. Very interesting indeed. Why would you ask such a question Kurumi?

On June 23 2013 03:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote:


I died day 2 the third game.

VE killed me twice, and town lynched me once.

I have never once planned for a quick leave, Decon just has a sick sense of humour -_-

On June 23 2013 03:44 WaveofShadow wrote:

I'm still not sure why you asked this question.
I'm sure BC didn't plan to exit the game on D1 in those games.

On June 23 2013 17:58 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Hey guys I'm here, this thread looks juicy. It's really late, we'll see how much I get through tonight but I'll be up and at 'em tomorrow.

On June 23 2013 17:46 Zephirdd wrote:
Dandel's posting has been so... fucking stupid. Goes from the 75/25% mafia/town ratio(which is stupid) to calling BC a claimed SK to calling him a troll to saying his previous post is not what it actually is(semantics) etc... It's really stupid.

But then, post "zephirdd not putting effort into his reads"(which he is right; I'm not) he makes some half-decent points about geript.

Geript's points are not anti-town though. He is asking legit questions, pushing possible contradictions.

DI feels like he is trying to discredit/shut down possible questions that could corner someone.

My mind keeps flipfloping on Dandelion, and I keep going back(in my own restricted mind) to austin who has been gone for a while.

Dandelion, please do post your thoughts on austinmcc and maybe post his reasoning towards asking the questions he did towards me. Anyone else is free to do the same, but I'm extra interested in DI.

On June 23 2013 20:44 Dandel Ion wrote:

1) townread on BC
2) shitty OMGUS on me
3) irrelevant softpush on austin

that's literally everything you ever did, and out of this only the townread on BC counts as a contribution.

On June 23 2013 20:45 Dandel Ion wrote:
So how are you in a position to call me out for contributions again?

Not to mention your threats are empty beans anyways, your vote is already on me and you can't do more than that.

On June 23 2013 20:50 Dandel Ion wrote:

Should I want to be viewed as mafia?
Explain that, that technique seems to be too advanced for me.

I'm not saying I need to be viewed as supertown. I'm saying I am supertown. My meta is one of the easiest on this site (damn you iamp), and it's glaringly obvious that I'm town. Don't be hatin', it's just true.

btw, reads on day1 are real. I believe.

On June 23 2013 20:53 Dandel Ion wrote:

No, I didn't do that. It's like you haven't even read what's my filter and what's other people's post. lol.
Nice lies.

That is the definition of softpushing. I'm not mad about it, I just want you to know that you can't disguise it as a contribution when you say "oh he could be scum but atm i want to lynch X so idc ololol".

On June 23 2013 21:01 Dandel Ion wrote:
Oh wow, you really want to be mad and fight, huh.
Nothing is wrong with it. In fact, I'm all for you trying to find actual scum instead of tunneling me for posts other people wrote while you can't read and think I did them.

So how about you find the point where I OMGUS you for not trolling. I'm really interested because I can't remember doing that at all. Maybe on the way you'll actually read my filter and realize how wrong you are. Unless, of course, you want to be wrong. In which case, flame on.

On June 23 2013 21:05 Dandel Ion wrote:
Yeah and where's the point where I OMGUS you for not trolling?

On June 23 2013 21:07 Dandel Ion wrote:

There's no MORE.

I never said anything about it. At all. I know that because it's not my opinion and it hasn't been.
And you calling me scum for it is complete bullshit and that you can't see that is actually scummy.

On June 23 2013 21:08 Dandel Ion wrote:

Yeah it was for you being hypocritical and


So how is it about trolling again?
How is it town motivated again?

On June 23 2013 21:10 Dandel Ion wrote:

Not posting at all.
GENIUS TOWN STRATEGY, 10/10 WIN EVERY GAME

On June 23 2013 21:20 Dandel Ion wrote:

? I didn't defend him for that.
I defended him because I think he's town.

I lovetapped him on basic math, I have explained this. + Show Spoiler +

On June 23 2013 19:58 Xatalos wrote:
Okay, now I've had time to go through the last pages and reread some filters. Unfortunately I'm typing on our iPad, so it's a pain to write and edit this wall of text. At least I'll be home before deadline...

First things first. Gonzaw is looking purely town to me. The amount of constructive discussion he has added to the thread (focusing on Mafia hunting especially) has been enormous. I'd even go as far to say that if he's Mafia, he's playing against his win-condition and setting himself + his team up for a quick defeat.Weird choice of words, but I'll take it. I agree on town sentiment on Gonzaw. Not as sure about Acrofales, but his strong activity and pretty good focus on scumhunting makes him probably town in my eyes. I like his thinking about claiming role names, but he claimed the easiest ever (main character >_>) and he says he is suspicious of Zephirdd on basis that he told the thread he is drunk. Sounds like an early setup for a bus, but that might be me tinfoiling. He also believes that if there was indeed a roleblocker then sk8r is scum. Basically, there is a lot of assumptions in his posts and I am not really sure how to respond to that besides waiting for stuff to happen concerning his guesses. He is not afraid to fight and that'd paint him a weak green for me now. BC is more of a question mark to me. Apparently his vig-shot was real after all (?). In any case, his hyper-aggressive pushing, strong confidence in his own opinions and lack of care for possibly getting lynched for such behaviour makes him feel pretty townish. At least that's the general feeling I get from him, and it should be enough for now. BC is Town. I felt like he is and then The Crisis came and I believe he acted like he would act. Also I dont want to kill him D1 because that sucked every time we did it.

Then there are a ton of useless (completely or mostly) lurkers. Meapak, Zephirdd, austinmcc, strongandbig and Crossfire99. None of them are lynch-worthy right now IMO, but if this anti-town playstyle continues, I'd like a Vig-shot (or something like that) into this lurkish group. There's probably 1-2 Mafia in there, and even if not, nothing of value has been lost. Especially austinmcc makes me feel suspicious. I remember one previous game where we played together. His playstyle was radically different: I was basically certain of him being town during D1. Now, he has just posted weak filler material and questions from others, nothing really of his own.
I said that austin is fishing for tactics for some reason.. I did not raise another point in my post, but I believe he is less active than usually - I liked playing with austin together as town, since he was always a valuable asset.

These following players would make excellent targets for investigation during N1: geript, Kitaman27, sk8r, Dandel Ion. They all give me conflicting reads and basically make it impossible to say their alignment with any confidence. They've all been reasonably active though, so I want to see more of them during D2. Lynching or shooting them now wouldn't be optimal IMO.
I dislike you trying to make blues do stuff. Leave them alone. They shall do what they want.]
Then there are three players who I'd be ready to lynch today: Kurumi, S0lstice, WaveofShadow. WaveofShadow caught my attention early on with some weak scummy signals (most notably the forced "tryhard" attitude and just generally a cautious/forced approach to posting). His response to my pressure was also pretty weird, with a really apologetic tone and shifting the attention to Acrofales with quite "forced" reasoning. Other players have also brought up good points about some strange or outright scummy parts of his later play.
Biggest offense in Wave's play is going from trolling to normal play. I've done it in one of my Mafia games when I felt our game was falling apart. Nobody called me on this and I went back to trolling. I think we won that game, not sure.
Gonzaw made a good case on S0lstice and got me very curious about S0lstice's approach to the game. It feels like he's just throwing accusations here and there, somewhat participating in discussion but not really "pushing" anything, more like reacting to what others do. A really scummy approach to playing the game overall. Lynchable? Yes. More lynchable than WaveofShadow? Not sure yet.
I think same thing goes with s0lstice: he started troll-ish, relaxed and then started to post serious stuff.
Kurumi is almost a lurker, but not quite. What makes me suspicious is especially his highly defensive and passive-aggressive attitude to any suspicion directed towards him. He seems to like side-stepping accusations or attacking his accuser, not discussing the actual accusations or doing anything *positive* for the thread at all. Least scummy of these three IMO, but still on the scummy side.

I'll keep my vote on WaveofShadow for now, but I'll have to read his filter again (especially the later parts). Someone mentioned that he also made towny posts, but I didn't notice that yet, so gotta recheck what all he wrote... Be back later.

On June 23 2013 21:27 Dandel Ion wrote:

what about it?

On June 23 2013 21:46 Dandel Ion wrote:

Okay look at this:

Conversely, randomly giving powers to a person is also 24.8% to hit scum. I'd take those chances on their own. Why wouldn't you?
Add to that that I didn't find it scummy how he asked for it, I'm going in deep.

On June 23 2013 21:49 Dandel Ion wrote:
wat

On June 23 2013 21:49 Dandel Ion wrote:
btw, if the lovetap was a big deal the role creator would have said by now.

he didn't so it's a) not or b) fake

either way no harm done anyways

On June 23 2013 21:52 Dandel Ion wrote:

whatever

I'm not threatened by an ability called "lovetap"

On June 23 2013 21:54 Dandel Ion wrote:

It's american. Dunno if that's bad.


btdubz, krumumi, you were the one that made my role in themed right?

On June 23 2013 21:59 Xatalos wrote:


Hmm. Nobody disagrees with me? Your troll->serious argument feels aimed at Dandel Ion.. But I'm not sure if I agree, since Dandel Ion did start trollish and got more serious later on, but I don't feel like it's any actual scumtell. More like fishing for reactions and conjuring discussion before there's much to talk about, although it'd be better to focus from the beginning IMO. In any case, I don't think that's a really good argument. (You didn't respond to my suspicion of you btw.)

On June 23 2013 22:04 Dandel Ion wrote:

Did you read the game after you were deaded?

On June 23 2013 22:15 Xatalos wrote:


Could you elaborate on that last sentence? Didn't quite understand it.

Hmmm. Dodging again. It feels like you haven't answered a single accusation/question straight on yet (except those semantics with Dandel Ion I guess).

On June 24 2013 01:51 s0Lstice wrote:
I read your defense Xatalos, and I frankly don't care that you care so much about how I'm not sharing every waking thought I have in thread. If it makes that much of a difference for you, I'm gonna wait and see on you. You are here and posting, so if you are scum I don't think it will be difficult. I prioritize the time I have to play the game with, and Zeph is the lynch I want to go with as I was reading through filters. I can deal with other stuff later.

Gonzaw's case was terrible. Don't care about that either atm. I feel dumber having read it.

You seem content to sail off into confirmation bias land though, so enjoy your journey!

The rest of you bubba's, get your vote on. Let's kill Zeph.

On June 24 2013 02:42 Xatalos wrote:
I wouldn't really miss Zephirdd, but I think it's looking good to get a much more likely scum lynched atm (s0Lstice vs. Zephirdd 3-3). If it takes 9 votes to lynch as someone said, it's about time to start focusing (aimed at those single stray voters). In fact, this "close" situation is ideal. I'm pretty sure now that one of them is scum or it wouldn't be this "close" basically. Most likely it would be just one strong wagon or several weak wagons (no need for Mafia to act in any way).

Gonzaw, where are you?

On June 24 2013 03:28 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:


No. I am unsure why he claimed to be roleblocked.

Also if I expected to die, why would I scum hunt? I said - Don't let BC get away with killing a town by saying that I'm just trolling. The argument that I should start scum hunting after getting day shot is poor, since I have no idea when the admin will show and pronounce me dead.

Also I will pull the noob card here, I usually don't play in fms with day vigis killing and then you can just wait for response. Usually the day vigi pms the moderator, and then goes with the day shot. So sorry if my reaction is obviously not what people expected. Different forum meta.

On June 24 2013 05:26 WaveofShadow wrote:

He never WAS scum.
Do you honestly think that he's a bad a scum player as he's been?
It's honestly stupid that we have people here who have played more than one game on TL and they honestly believe that sk8 could be scum atm.
SWITCH YOUR VOTES

On June 24 2013 05:30 gonzaw wrote:
SKAITER, ACRO, KURUMI. WHAT ARE YOU DOING

On June 24 2013 05:37 s0Lstice wrote:
good thing I'm having a beer, otherwise I'd be raging probably ;D

so I pretty much already claimed my role, but nobody caught it, because not a single person in the town is reading critically as far as I can tell

On June 24 2013 05:40 gonzaw wrote:
Okay, so we have time (well 20 minutes)

So what are you guy's analysis of this situation? The Zeph vs Sk8 counter-wagons, sol getting votes and then me rallying people up to lynch him, SNB being brought as a counter-wagon and hastily gaining votes, etc?

On June 24 2013 05:43 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:
I can prove solstice is town tomorrow depending on how the night goes. I will not be on the lynch train against him.

Can anyone explain SnB's regular playstyle. Is he usually a lurker as scum/town/neutral?

On June 24 2013 05:46 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:


LOL sorry my role doesn't work like that. ##Lovetap Kurumi

On June 24 2013 05:47 Crossfire99 wrote:
We need to lynch someone. We've got 15 minutes left. I'm not voting sk8rguy. SnB is a toss up right now. Solstice should be lynched purely because of his whole vote and unvote a lurker while agreeing with his top scumread. How is that not scummy enough for a lynch!?

On June 24 2013 05:48 s0Lstice wrote:
seriously guys?

1 day, 1 apple?

On June 24 2013 05:50 Zephirdd wrote:


oh, you're the doctor. An apple a day keeps the doctor away.

Nothing stops the doctor from being scum btw, just pointing that out.

On June 24 2013 05:52 Xatalos wrote:
Ok well that was surprising. Hmm. Who now? austin? WOS? strongandbig? Zephirdd? Gotta do it fast.

On June 24 2013 05:58 Zephirdd wrote:
acrofales wrote a role for the doctor

and so did Xfire?

?????????

On June 24 2013 06:20 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:
Also, I know I said I could prove that he is town, it's NOT because he masoned me.

On June 24 2013 06:26 gonzaw wrote:


Why do you keep tunneling sk8 kurumi (specially with stuff like that you just posted)?

Meapak why do you "tunneled" zepphird then come back after the "lynch" to complain?

On June 24 2013 06:31 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:


I was the only one that didn't want to lynch Solstice. He flipped town, and now you still want to continue tunnelling me. Since he's dead I have no reason to reveal any information to you. Why are you trying to figure out my role so much?

I didn't vote Solstice and I didn't vote Austin for the same reason, I think scum were directing the lynch.

On June 24 2013 06:46 WaveofShadow wrote:
I am tres sad Solstice wasn't scum. My tryhard pants must have holes in them or something.

Hey Kurumi.
Since you like bluefishing so much, let's talk about roles.
Solstice can come back to the thread anytime he likes, correct? Is there a point in waiting until later in the game to do so?

Also I know who wrote my role.
:D

On June 24 2013 06:49 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:

Solstice dies 10 minutes before end of day. Everyone suddenly decides to lynch Austin. I think we can all agree that a scum killed Solstice, why would a town vigi shoot him at L-1.

Now try to figure out WHY Mafia would kill someone so late, it's so that they can try to quickly cause a new lynch on a player. The Mafia would not do it just to gain an additional kill, or they would just wait until AFTER the lynch. Unless the role only day kills, in which they would still kill someone else, and let town lynch him.

Kurumi you suspect me because I revealed parts of my role, which has been confirmed by xfire. Why would you want to find my entire role, when it could possibly give Mafia an advantage against me? Currently they know that I survived a day vigi, have an ability to confirm town, and use ##Lovetaps but not the exact details. I would like to keep Mafia in the dark about my role, Why do you want them to know it?

On June 24 2013 06:52 Zephirdd wrote:
Kurumi

what if he can DT-check someone that Lovetaps him?
Would that make sense to you?

come on, it takes 2 cells to think of that

On June 24 2013 14:45 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Why are people suspicious of Austin? He is actively saying who he is targetting with his role in thread. Mafia has no reason to do this whatsoever. -_-

On June 25 2013 07:25 gonzaw wrote:


You were inventor...
...and you made that shitty gun.

We should have lynched you on D1

On June 25 2013 16:52 strongandbig wrote:
Hey guys

We had a short in our experiment at cern and had to break vacuum, been working twelve hour days in Switzerland since my last post.

I'm currently at heathrow waiting to fly back to the us, I think ima buy TL plus so I can do the whole thread in one page, and save it and read it on the plane back.

On June 25 2013 22:46 Dandel Ion wrote:

That's why I'm not yet about to smite him with my divine wrath.

On June 25 2013 23:15 Dandel Ion wrote:
Well I can kill with lynching.

I can't dayvig dudes or anything.

On June 25 2013 23:22 kitaman27 wrote:


Might want to fact check yourself on that one.

On June 27 2013 03:29 gonzaw wrote:
Got this

On June 27 2013 05:07 austinmcc wrote:
HEY HEY HEY. If you haven't yet sent in answers (or can change):

Kurumi please choose MEDIC.
WoS or Xatalos please choose VIGILANTE.

BC please choose BC
Gonzaw please choose GONZAW.


That way, I can assign either medic or vigilante to one of you two tonight. No overlap, maximum options. Depending on what comes out of all this, having both a defensive and offensive role seems best.

On June 27 2013 05:59 kitaman27 wrote:
Been busy at work and won't get out for another hour to catch up, but I just wanted everyone to know that I've passed the TARDIS to kurumi.

Hopefully if Sk8r flips mafia, Kurumi can verify the anti-mafia clause that should confirm me as not being Sk8r's scum buddy.

On June 27 2013 06:05 BloodyC0bbler wrote:


why not me?

On June 27 2013 06:14 WaveofShadow wrote:
lol and SnB's role was so fucking good. I feel bad for him honestly. gg work

On June 27 2013 06:15 WaveofShadow wrote:

Wat.
Explain?

On June 27 2013 06:31 gonzaw wrote:
Seriously fuck this shit guys im out.

Someone give me gun so i kill kita then we kikl xfire and xatalos and austin and everybody in the game at once hopefully

On June 27 2013 10:42 gonzaw wrote:
Or...I could just make a creative, fun and useful to town invention...

..hehe...

...hehehe...

.....he

Wait...now I want to invent another thing.
WHAT DO I DO I HAVE ALL THESE IDEAS AARRHHHGG

On June 27 2013 11:35 gonzaw wrote:
Also if you refer to Aperture Mafia's listcheck (Nisani did) that's insanely OP and I doubt deconduo will let me do it (it can basically confirm all remaining anti-town in a single go...like it did in that game)

On June 27 2013 22:30 kitaman27 wrote:
It does put a smile on my face how you can be completely wrong so often, but keep on trucking. Reminds me of an early Jackal

By the way, geript and Dandel have a resurrection role. Do you guys really think town got two of them?

Sk8r, austin, and kurumi all have gift roles. Do you guys really think town got three of them?

zzz

On June 28 2013 00:37 Xatalos wrote:
Yeah, I guess Kurumi being able to bus drive makes it hard to say who did it if it happens... Unless Kurumi targets someone else tonight.

On June 28 2013 00:39 austinmcc wrote:
kurumi,

do you know what the TARDIS being drained of energy means? Can you use it this cycle? Multiple players have mentioned you bussing folks tonight, but I took the out of energy thing to mean that you couldn't protect yourself or bus.