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On June 23 2013 01:56 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 01:46 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:StrongandBig, WaveofShadow, and BC are the scums 100%. Sk8 for MVP. Thank you, good night. Also about my role, the player who wrote it wanted to gain an advantage on player roles. Everyone suspects something, but only he and I know what it does and now he knows the role he received and mine. Possibly more if he is scum. I thought about not doing it, but then he still wins if he is scum by knowing i'm out there not using my abilities. Meta-scum >  Care to explain exactly what you're talking about in this post? Also sorry about letting my tryhard pants fall off, guys, I forgot to put on a belt and someone pantsed me. In all honestly the reason my posing twas crap then picked up and devolved again is because having never played in this kind of a game before I wasn't exactly sure how seriously people take it and how hard town/scum really try to win (ie do people scumhunt as normal with crazy as fuck roles flying around). It seems as though while there is likely to be more trolling in a game sch as this, people definitely do still want to win; as such I will begin to contribute in earnest. I'm still not sure of you, Acro. Why haven't you commented much on what Xatalos has to say about me aside from you sharing his suspicions? I am arguably his strongest scumread and so I probably warrant discussion, yet you keep bringing conversation into role-claiming/setup speculation type stuff.
Because other than what I've said already, I have nothing to say about you.
All your posts are filler. Including this one. Whether that's because you're being inept as a townie, or because you're a pretty fail scum? Well, that I'm still figuring out.
As for how you play? It's still a mafia game. Both sides still want to win. DI isn't trolling because it's a themed game, he's trolling because he's DI. Now put your try-hard pants back on and talk about someone who you think could be scum.
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On June 23 2013 02:07 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 01:56 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 23 2013 01:46 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:StrongandBig, WaveofShadow, and BC are the scums 100%. Sk8 for MVP. Thank you, good night. Also about my role, the player who wrote it wanted to gain an advantage on player roles. Everyone suspects something, but only he and I know what it does and now he knows the role he received and mine. Possibly more if he is scum. I thought about not doing it, but then he still wins if he is scum by knowing i'm out there not using my abilities. Meta-scum > Care to explain exactly what you're talking about in this post? Also sorry about letting my tryhard pants fall off, guys, I forgot to put on a belt and someone pantsed me. In all honestly the reason my posing twas crap then picked up and devolved again is because having never played in this kind of a game before I wasn't exactly sure how seriously people take it and how hard town/scum really try to win (ie do people scumhunt as normal with crazy as fuck roles flying around). It seems as though while there is likely to be more trolling in a game sch as this, people definitely do still want to win; as such I will begin to contribute in earnest. I'm still not sure of you, Acro. Why haven't you commented much on what Xatalos has to say about me aside from you sharing his suspicions? I am arguably his strongest scumread and so I probably warrant discussion, yet you keep bringing conversation into role-claiming/setup speculation type stuff. First part - My suspicions currently based on posting and defending. I don't know about the Meta, perhaps these players are known for defending other towns. Note I have not changed my vote. Second part - Self explanatory. Whoever wrote my role now knows that they wrote it. If I die, it's because of this and that they flipped mafia.
I still have no clue what you're on about with the second part. Presumably the lovetaps are part of your role, and not just random crap you made up to have something to talk about on D1. That's fine. However, I fail to see how this gives you any indication of what alignment the maker of your role was.
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On June 23 2013 02:18 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 02:15 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:On June 23 2013 02:11 Acrofales wrote:On June 23 2013 02:07 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:On June 23 2013 01:56 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 23 2013 01:46 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:StrongandBig, WaveofShadow, and BC are the scums 100%. Sk8 for MVP. Thank you, good night. Also about my role, the player who wrote it wanted to gain an advantage on player roles. Everyone suspects something, but only he and I know what it does and now he knows the role he received and mine. Possibly more if he is scum. I thought about not doing it, but then he still wins if he is scum by knowing i'm out there not using my abilities. Meta-scum > Care to explain exactly what you're talking about in this post? Also sorry about letting my tryhard pants fall off, guys, I forgot to put on a belt and someone pantsed me. In all honestly the reason my posing twas crap then picked up and devolved again is because having never played in this kind of a game before I wasn't exactly sure how seriously people take it and how hard town/scum really try to win (ie do people scumhunt as normal with crazy as fuck roles flying around). It seems as though while there is likely to be more trolling in a game sch as this, people definitely do still want to win; as such I will begin to contribute in earnest. I'm still not sure of you, Acro. Why haven't you commented much on what Xatalos has to say about me aside from you sharing his suspicions? I am arguably his strongest scumread and so I probably warrant discussion, yet you keep bringing conversation into role-claiming/setup speculation type stuff. First part - My suspicions currently based on posting and defending. I don't know about the Meta, perhaps these players are known for defending other towns. Note I have not changed my vote. Second part - Self explanatory. Whoever wrote my role now knows that they wrote it. If I die, it's because of this and that they flipped mafia. I still have no clue what you're on about with the second part. Presumably the lovetaps are part of your role, and not just random crap you made up to have something to talk about on D1. That's fine. However, I fail to see how this gives you any indication of what alignment the maker of your role was. It doesn't yet. I was letting town know this so if something happens to me then we know the writer of MY card is scum. Ideally thats the only reason why you would force your target to reveal to do their ability is so that the writer are aware of it and can respond according to their alignment. How were you forced to reveal your ability exactly? I really don't follow your train of thought.
Inept noobie card again 
Clearly, he has to get people to lovetap him. Or lovetap them, or something. Publicly in the thread. So whoever wrote the role knows that sk8r has the role he wrote.
Obviously, the bit about him getting bumped off means whoever made the role is scum, is him having illusions of grandeur. PTP games tend to be full of pretty crazy powerful roles.
As for who I have suspicions about? I've mentioned them in my filter.
SnB: I expect more from him.
WoS: for fumbling over the tryhard pants.
Zephirdd: for being angry at people for not posting anything useful while not posting anything useful.
Slight pings on my scumdar:
Kurumi: for being D1 Kurumi
BC: for being D1 BC and coming up with a pretty bogus artificial reason for being against my plan.
Xatalos: for seeming insincere in his early tryhard posts.
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On June 23 2013 02:25 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 01:16 Acrofales wrote:On June 23 2013 01:05 strongandbig wrote:
Acro you voted me but what do you think of my first post? Y u vote me btw. Voted for you because you're tricksy scum. You used to be easy to catch, but you've upped your game. Your first post picked on a pretty easy target and gave a rather dubious reason for calling him scum (or at least FoS'ing him). You're voting me because I'm harder to catch than I used to be? Okay great. When you say it was "dubious", do you mean that you disagree with my analysis? Because whatshisface just admitted that his bc vote had no real motivation, and I don't buy the "I did it to gauge reactions but I'm not gonna explain what they were or what my analysis is" line, so I'm not feeling too "dubious" here.
Yeah. Since when is randomly voting for someone a scumtell? It happens every game and while I don't have statistics I doubt scum do it more than town. Obviously as a pressure vote it was badly done, but I don't see how that makes him scum.
Explain your reasoning.
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On June 23 2013 04:29 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 04:20 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:( 1 )I'm defending my FOS. You guys can think that I'm the worst player ever if you want. In all honestly I have no real reads, but you asked for some, so I attemped to give them. ( 2 ) Also BloodyCobbler has revealed he has a killing ability.  ( 3 ) My role is pretty weak / lame. I just giving you my opinion, you know in this game that is based on opinions? ( 4 ) Also if I was Mafia, It would be pretty dumb of me to gather this much attention. I find that this day has actually been fairly useful. Added the numbers myself: 1 - FoS is meaningless. if you have no reads, say so, and come up with some after you do some real reading of the thread. 2 - Are you serious? 3 - Once again, this has absolutely no alignment indication whatsoever. It doesn't matter what people's opinions of their roles are or whether they are in fact weak or strong---people can act in whatever way they feel like while having those roles. 4 - WIFOM Hey Acro. If I'm noobie town or bad scum, what does that make this guy? BC what did you just do
Noob town. But he might just have gotten shot already, so we'll see soon enough.
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On June 23 2013 04:27 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2013 11:59 Acrofales wrote:
Only way Kita is retarded enough to do this is that he is either in xxx's scumteam or made the lovetap role.
Just throwing that out there.
Oh, and
##vote Kitaman27 Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 02:27 Acrofales wrote:
As for who I have suspicions about? I've mentioned them in my filter.
SnB: I expect more from him.
WoS: for fumbling over the tryhard pants.
Zephirdd: for being angry at people for not posting anything useful while not posting anything useful.
Slight pings on my scumdar:
Kurumi: for being D1 Kurumi
BC: for being D1 BC and coming up with a pretty bogus artificial reason for being against my plan.
Xatalos: for seeming insincere in his early tryhard posts. FOS Acro for claiming to believe that I'm either scum or the xxx role creator and then proceeding to leave me off his list of suspicions. Makes me question whether or not his reads or real. I also think enough people have shot down his bad role claim idea that he doesn't need to continue pushing it. He is sharing enough opinions though that I don't want to lynch him yet though. Does anyone remember off the top of their head what was the game where tnkted (?) had that role where he had to get people to respond to his ## power in the thread? I had thought it was PTP 1, but apparently not. I don't like skater or WoS lynches right now. ##Vote AustinI think austin would be a good person to consider right now. He commented on a role plan that had already been beaten to death and that's about it.
Oh, I remembered that when I was asked, but honestly poking you to see how you responded and you not taking the bait didn't really enter onto my scumdar. Now let me read up on the shitstorm that suddenly happened.
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On June 23 2013 04:39 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 04:38 kitaman27 wrote:
Can the role creator of Jack the Ripper confirm that the day vig can be used anonymously? The role is not jack the ripper and no one can confirm my role, because I got my own role.
While BC is wiley enough to plan this, I believe him. He was clearly foreshadowing this with his objection to my plan. So he made himself a dayvig. The question is still whether he is scum or town, but I don't think we should lynch him regardless of what sk8r flips.
I don't think BC has been acting particularly scummy, although so far he has only been going batshit insane tunnelmode on that sk8r guy. It just feels like the start of Personality 2, and I think this is more BC losing his temper than BC making a calculated scumplay to vig shot some noobie who does not feel like much of a threat.
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On June 23 2013 05:00 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 04:57 Acrofales wrote:On June 23 2013 04:29 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 23 2013 04:20 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:( 1 )I'm defending my FOS. You guys can think that I'm the worst player ever if you want. In all honestly I have no real reads, but you asked for some, so I attemped to give them. ( 2 ) Also BloodyCobbler has revealed he has a killing ability. ( 3 ) My role is pretty weak / lame. I just giving you my opinion, you know in this game that is based on opinions? ( 4 ) Also if I was Mafia, It would be pretty dumb of me to gather this much attention. I find that this day has actually been fairly useful. Added the numbers myself: 1 - FoS is meaningless. if you have no reads, say so, and come up with some after you do some real reading of the thread. 2 - Are you serious? 3 - Once again, this has absolutely no alignment indication whatsoever. It doesn't matter what people's opinions of their roles are or whether they are in fact weak or strong---people can act in whatever way they feel like while having those roles. 4 - WIFOM Hey Acro. If I'm noobie town or bad scum, what does that make this guy? BC what did you just do Noob town. But he might just have gotten shot already, so we'll see soon enough. As I have said, my intent was to get shot at night. I didn't anticipate BC actually killing me during the day. We will see how things go. :D
Not that this matters much, but I will never EVER understand this play. While there is nothing wrong with a VT getting shot at night, the way to do is not to claim you're a blue, which is more likely to get you lynched than shot, it is to put scum under pressure with good play, so they feel threatened by you.
This is the second time in a game where someone comes from another forum with completely illogical D1 play with the "intention of drawing a shot on N1".. and ends up creating a shitstorm and getting town all batshit crazy. WHY?!!!
/rant off
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On June 23 2013 05:10 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 05:06 Acrofales wrote:On June 23 2013 04:39 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 23 2013 04:38 kitaman27 wrote:
Can the role creator of Jack the Ripper confirm that the day vig can be used anonymously? The role is not jack the ripper and no one can confirm my role, because I got my own role. While BC is wiley enough to plan this, I believe him. He was clearly foreshadowing this with his objection to my plan. So he made himself a dayvig. The question is still whether he is scum or town, but I don't think we should lynch him regardless of what sk8r flips. I don't think BC has been acting particularly scummy, although so far he has only been going batshit insane tunnelmode on that sk8r guy. It just feels like the start of Personality 2, and I think this is more BC losing his temper than BC making a calculated scumplay to vig shot some noobie who does not feel like much of a threat. Yeah I don't buy it. I've seen BC lose his temper. BC knows that people have seen him lose his temper. Can you link me something from Personality 2 (apparently an infamous game that nobody likes to talk about) that indicates why you think this more likely town BC?
Kurumi trolled D1 and acted as if he was Chezinu.
WBG was actually Chezinu.
It all got up to a somewhat heated discussion and yamato shot Kurumi in the face. It didn't really solve anything and WBG got lynched D1 (and was in fact Chezinu, a 3P survivor).
BC was in that game and knows what happened. So is he scum trying to create a similar situation (it is worth mentioning that yamato was considered town for it)? Or is he town? I still lean towards the latter, but I haven't had a lot of experience with scum BC.
Kita? What do you make of it?
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sk8r: assuming you're about to die and you flip green, your opinion might be taken seriously. What do you think of BC? Is he scum? Or do you think he's angry and impatient town?
Please give your reasons.
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On June 23 2013 05:50 Dandel Ion wrote:
hosts totally afk the shot is real guys
Posted 1 minute after the vote count. GG.
Shot probably fake, or failed for some other reason. Which is weird, because both BC and sk8r seem convinced it had no reason to fail.
Sk8r! Are you bulletproof?
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On June 23 2013 05:50 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 05:48 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 23 2013 05:45 kitaman27 wrote:
Right now I think it's more likely that BC is a trigger happy town that shot judge for policy, than a mafia scum who is trying to get away with an easy shot. Like I mentioned before, a scum day vig that doesn't have to post in the thread to pull off the shot can just shoot a high priority target anonymously and get away with it at no cost. If what BC says is true, he wouldn't even have to worry about another townie knowing his role was responsible for the shot because he created it himself. I'm not sure what he would have to gain claiming responsibility for the shot in the thread as mafia, other than having the opportunity to yell at a bunch of people and shift focus to himself, but that's not really worth it this early in the game. how do you know he doesn't have to post in the thread? Because he didn't?
He posted that thing in bold about Jack the Ripper.
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On June 23 2013 05:54 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 05:45 kitaman27 wrote:
Right now I think it's more likely that BC is a trigger happy town that shot judge for policy, than a mafia scum who is trying to get away with an easy shot. Like I mentioned before, a scum day vig that doesn't have to post in the thread to pull off the shot can just shoot a high priority target anonymously and get away with it at no cost. If what BC says is true, he wouldn't even have to worry about another townie knowing his role was responsible for the shot because he created it himself. I'm not sure what he would have to gain claiming responsibility for the shot in the thread as mafia, other than having the opportunity to yell at a bunch of people and shift focus to himself, but that's not really worth it this early in the game. I don't like this post, kita. You worry me. You don't consider the fact at all that he did this knowing that one of his scumteam created the role or something? The real reasoning behind what BC did with the little information we got is very easy to obfuscate and you only consider the towny implications. And as someone just mentioned, how do you know he didn't have to post what he did about jack the ripper in the thread? BC's most recent post regarding Palmar has placated me somewhat because if anyone is capable of this kind of play I'd believe it to be BC; it's the timing of the shot that just really bothers me. The 'shoot first, ask questions later' is not in anyway indicative of a towny mindset no matter how angry you are. There are many things BC could have done that I've argued would have been more effective, especially if it means wasting a vig shot on a towny that could have been effective later on.
Except that BC is exactly the kind of person who would shoot first and ask questions later. I was all up in Adam's face in Duel mafia and even accused him of being 3P for most of the game because I thought he wasn't the shoot first, ask questions later kinda guy. Turned out he was. As town.
As for him not being afraid of the role creator: well duh. He claims he created the role himself. And that part I absolutely believe.
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On June 23 2013 05:58 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 05:57 Acrofales wrote:On June 23 2013 05:54 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 23 2013 05:45 kitaman27 wrote:
Right now I think it's more likely that BC is a trigger happy town that shot judge for policy, than a mafia scum who is trying to get away with an easy shot. Like I mentioned before, a scum day vig that doesn't have to post in the thread to pull off the shot can just shoot a high priority target anonymously and get away with it at no cost. If what BC says is true, he wouldn't even have to worry about another townie knowing his role was responsible for the shot because he created it himself. I'm not sure what he would have to gain claiming responsibility for the shot in the thread as mafia, other than having the opportunity to yell at a bunch of people and shift focus to himself, but that's not really worth it this early in the game. I don't like this post, kita. You worry me. You don't consider the fact at all that he did this knowing that one of his scumteam created the role or something? The real reasoning behind what BC did with the little information we got is very easy to obfuscate and you only consider the towny implications. And as someone just mentioned, how do you know he didn't have to post what he did about jack the ripper in the thread? BC's most recent post regarding Palmar has placated me somewhat because if anyone is capable of this kind of play I'd believe it to be BC; it's the timing of the shot that just really bothers me. The 'shoot first, ask questions later' is not in anyway indicative of a towny mindset no matter how angry you are. There are many things BC could have done that I've argued would have been more effective, especially if it means wasting a vig shot on a towny that could have been effective later on. Except that BC is exactly the kind of person who would shoot first and ask questions later. I was all up in Adam's face in Duel mafia and even accused him of being 3P for most of the game because I thought he wasn't the shoot first, ask questions later kinda guy. Turned out he was. As town. As for him not being afraid of the role creator: well duh. He claims he created the role himself. And that part I absolutely believe. why
Because of all the arguments you could make against my plan, BC came up with a very oddball one... unless he did actually create his own role.
Are you actually reading the thread? I posted that exact same reasoning about 30 minutes ago...
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Anybody feel like claiming they roleblocked BC? That whole thing just played out extremely weirdly... but I also think it pretty much confirms BC as a dayvig. I don't see any reason at all to lie about the ability and the way it played out as either alignment.
If he is scum, then a townie with a town read on sk8er was quick on the trigger. In this case, it almost HAS to be a post-hoc roleblock, because I don't see a townie bothering to roleblock when all BC was doing was talking about deliberating about shooting.
If he is town, then there's the added possibility that sk8er is scum and has a scumbuddy who can daytime (post-hoc?) roleblock. In this case it could have been a quick roleblock before he actually shot.
Did anybody design a role that could have done a post-hoc roleblock? If not, I think we should lynch sk8er.
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Also, I'll be looking at sk8er's reactions after the shot, because I wasn't really trying to figure out alignment at the time, assuming he was dead. However, it seems like the reaction to being shot should be pretty telling, and I don't remember sk8er being particularly useful (no last minute reads, and lots of QQ). Will take another look.
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So... all I really get from sk8er's posts after the shot is that he is incredibly quick to assume it's a fake. I don't see how he did that so fast, as I (and seeming thread opinion) thought it was real.
Either he truly thought it was fake (possible) or he was anticipating it failing due to either his own ability (which he has denied), or a scumbuddy's ability. I'll make more sense of this later, but whereas I was pretty confident he was noobie town before the shot failed, I am now far from sure.
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On June 23 2013 08:12 gonzaw wrote:
Well, I haven't read the shot (whatever happened) thing, but here's my rundown on XXX so far:
He's new to TL. He said he isn't new to mafia though, so we shouldn't just assume he's a noob
If he was scum this would be a perfect opportunity to play some mild noob cards though. More subtle noob cards of course, maybe like what WoS is doing (apologize to the slightest of pressure, act like you dont' really know what to do, etc).
So, he's not doing that, so let's just ignore that.
What he IS doing is act confident, active, and just interact with people and seem sure of himself.
I don't see him posting with hesitation and stuff.
It's true he has no "meta" because he hasn't played in TL before, so I can't really say 100% if this makes him town or not (maybe he acts like this as scum all the time in other forums), but EXACTLY that leaves to a different conclusion: XXX has no "meta" on us either.
So, XXX has no meta knowledge of us, he doesn't know us. With that in mind, would he act like this as his 1st scum game in TL (which is also his 1st game in TL as well)? Would he be this "reckless" in that sense? He doesn't know any of us so he doesn't know what to expect, he wouldn't know how we'll react, etc.
If he was scum I think he'd be more cautious because of this fact, and when I read his posts "cautious" is the last thing I think of.
My 2 cents...
That was my reasoning too before the shot.
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State of the game:
I don't think we should lynch BC. Whether you think the shot was smart or dumb, I don't see much scum motivation for drawing all this attention just to kill a newbie. Even if his shot is a public shot (which I don't know), I feel he could have waited and by playing his cards right, take out a higher value target later. Which makes him town throwing a derp.
geript could be scum. He started all trolly, then promised to put on his tryhard pants and actually read the thread. Umpteen hours later he has still done nothing, except post a number of filler posts and ask some questions. He is not contributing at all. Not a bad lynch.
still not comfortable with WoS, but I am more confident that I can get a better read on him later on. I won't really consider him a priority right now.
SnB has done nothing all game, except have a pretty shoddy case on sk8er. Good lynch, because a lurking, useless SnB is a scum SnB.
Xfire: afk. Not much else to say about him atm. I am confident in my ability to read him, though.
Kita: underperforming. But his post on BC echoed my thoughts before I had posted them, so he could just be busy or not caring. This happens with Kita.
austin: focused on Zephir. Not necessarily a bad thing, but has done absolutely nothing else. Pretty null, which is troubling for someone who is good at looking very townie. Might consider lynching if he continues doing nothing tomorrow.
DI: being needlessly aggressive and irritating. I associate this with townies (sometimes wrongfully, like Mocsta) and have never played a scumgame with DI. There's also the whole "Alliance" thing, which is good enough for a D1 read. Don't lynch.
sk8er: still wondering. Need more actual content, rather than large amounts of filler posts. Hopefully roleclaims will clear this mess up.
Everybody else: not a priority or town read.
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On June 23 2013 08:33 s0Lstice wrote:
lol this should be good.
Acro...skater was the target of the shot, time is going to dilate for him while waiting for a mod post, hence he'll be the one to decide its fake first.
There was literally only 20 minutes between the shot and sk8er assuming that it was fake, though. That is some very unrealistic expectations of a host (given that neither had shown signs of being here for hours before that point).
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