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On June 22 2013 12:32 geript wrote:
Ddrihpez insteadz yo
Ok. Who do we kill first?
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Why was austin at the top of your list?
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Lol. So what did you learn from this exercise? Other than that I don't even know who is in this game?
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On June 22 2013 13:14 geript wrote:
You're tryharding right now.
And?
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On June 22 2013 13:40 gonzaw wrote:
Someone should just use a day vig or something.
Does nobody give someone else a day vig power? You guys are boring
So are you... apparently.
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Okay, this was supposed to be posted last night, but my power went out, so it is now about 8 hours late to the party. Luckily I now also have a bit more to say:
On June 22 2013 14:21 Zephirdd wrote:
wtf is happening
ill try to make some sense of this tomorrow
guys just because we have weird roles doesnt mean we need to play like idiots
on another note, caipirinha is really good. You all should try it if you havent.
Makes a post to scold the thread for derping around... and simultaneously tells us he's drunk. A valuable contribution indeed.
Zephir, are you perhaps scum?
In general, I am pretty suspicious of those who have come into the thread and lamented the pitiful state it is in (Kurumi), yet have shown absolutely NO inclination to improve it in any way, shape or form. On the other hand, Xatalos' introduction into the thread seems like it is far overshooting the mark in the other direction. Maybe it's just his way of writing, which I remember from like a year ago in our newbie game got everybody suspicious of him as well, but he seems really concerned with making a good impression. Nevertheless, I had a similar feeling about WoS, so there's that.
Also, apparently my vote on Kita should have been in the vote thread, but I guess it's too late for that now. Voting SnB instead, because he's apparently in this game.
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Errr...
##vote Strongandbig
of course.
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On June 22 2013 21:13 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2013 12:05 Acrofales wrote:On June 22 2013 11:29 kitaman27 wrote:On June 22 2013 11:18 Acrofales wrote:On June 22 2013 11:06 kitaman27 wrote:On June 22 2013 11:04 Acrofales wrote:
I'm home! Haven't read anything yet, but after umpteen scumgames and a fairly longish break, I finally rolled town!
Also, in case this plan hasn't been proposed yet, I think everybody should say what character they made the role for. That way, if someone claims, someone else can back that shit up, or act as a lie detector. Or the scum can pick off the players that created their roles and they are free to use it as they wish or modify it with a fake claim. That's silly. So what? That limits them in who they can kill. Restricting scum is a good thing. You scum yourself? lol it doesn't limit who the scum can kill. Scum can kill whoever they want, but with your plan, they're not shooting blind. I don't even understand how your plan makes sense. Why can't we server as lie detectors after the claim, without all sharing who we made the role for? They're still shooting blind. They don't know what role they're shooting nor what the role actually is other than the name (and they still don't know who that is). But I do get your point that if claims happen we can verify. Just run the risk of this only happening after people are dead and the mafia covering for each other (if someone claims and nobody pipes up that they made the role, a mafia member can "come into the thread late" and claim making the role) Hmm. This plan has far more negatives than positives IMO. Mafia are basically in the dark only about one thing: blue powers. If they know who created which role, it becomes easier to snipe players if the need appears to fakeclaim (just snipe the player who created a specific role). On the other hand, it becomes impossible for them to act until a certain player has been eliminated. This might be useful in the early game, but come late game, every has-to-be-eliminated player should already be eliminated. This just makes it easier for them to plan their shots. In addition, isn't it more advantegeous to keep Mafia completely in the dark? "Fear of the unknown is the greatest fear." That should apply to Mafia as well. Btw, is that Lovetap thing just a joke or an actual power?
This doesn't give them any more info, except about who created their power. So yes, if the need arises to fake claim, they will have to shoot that person first. However, it also does the following:
1. If all of mafia have roles that were created by townies, they cannot fake claim their role name (or stuff won't add up at the end of the game)
2. They cannot fake claim their actual role before whoever created their role is dead.
An alternative is to claim your actual rolename right now. Fear of the unknown isn't mafia's greatest fear. It's fear of getting caught out as mafia. This helps with that.
Also, who knows about the lovetap thing? It could be an actual power, inspired by ##fistbumb from the original PTP, or it could just be sk8r having read the original game and using that to derp around.
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On June 22 2013 21:30 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2013 21:23 Acrofales wrote:Okay, this was supposed to be posted last night, but my power went out, so it is now about 8 hours late to the party. Luckily I now also have a bit more to say: On June 22 2013 14:21 Zephirdd wrote:
wtf is happening
ill try to make some sense of this tomorrow
guys just because we have weird roles doesnt mean we need to play like idiots
on another note, caipirinha is really good. You all should try it if you havent. Makes a post to scold the thread for derping around... and simultaneously tells us he's drunk. A valuable contribution indeed. Zephir, are you perhaps scum?
In general, I am pretty suspicious of those who have come into the thread and lamented the pitiful state it is in (Kurumi), yet have shown absolutely NO inclination to improve it in any way, shape or form. On the other hand, Xatalos' introduction into the thread seems like it is far overshooting the mark in the other direction. Maybe it's just his way of writing, which I remember from like a year ago in our newbie game got everybody suspicious of him as well, but he seems really concerned with making a good impression. Nevertheless, I had a similar feeling about WoS, so there's that. Also, apparently my vote on Kita should have been in the vote thread, but I guess it's too late for that now. Voting SnB instead, because he's apparently in this game. Haha.. Too tryhard for your tastes?  I have limited time to post until tomorrow, so gotta make it count.. Why strongandbig?
Because Drazerk isn't in the game. Without our common enemy, I reckon I'll just kill him and see what happens. Also, he's probably scum.
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Also, screw all of you. I'll go first.
I wrote the role for The Doctor.
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On June 22 2013 22:13 Xatalos wrote:Can't find the ##fistbump role description  What did it do?
Eh, a bunch of stuff. I think Palmar had it (or he made it). He had to collect ##fistbumps every day from people. He could use them to buy powers like extra votes, vig shots, etc.
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On June 22 2013 22:06 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2013 21:37 Acrofales wrote:
Also, screw all of you. I'll go first.
I wrote the role for The Doctor. Consider that I'm Mafia and got the role The Doctor. Now I can just shoot you and fakeclaim whatever I want later on. If you didn't reveal, there's no way to fakeclaim until you have died through some other reason. That's the problem.
But... fear of dying is just not in a townie mindset AT ALL. Scum HAS KP and WILL be killing people. I prefer they are killing people so they can fakeclaim than bumping off people who actually contribute to the game.
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On June 22 2013 22:02 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2013 21:32 Acrofales wrote:On June 22 2013 21:13 Xatalos wrote:On June 22 2013 12:05 Acrofales wrote:On June 22 2013 11:29 kitaman27 wrote:On June 22 2013 11:18 Acrofales wrote:On June 22 2013 11:06 kitaman27 wrote:On June 22 2013 11:04 Acrofales wrote:
I'm home! Haven't read anything yet, but after umpteen scumgames and a fairly longish break, I finally rolled town!
Also, in case this plan hasn't been proposed yet, I think everybody should say what character they made the role for. That way, if someone claims, someone else can back that shit up, or act as a lie detector. Or the scum can pick off the players that created their roles and they are free to use it as they wish or modify it with a fake claim. That's silly. So what? That limits them in who they can kill. Restricting scum is a good thing. You scum yourself? lol it doesn't limit who the scum can kill. Scum can kill whoever they want, but with your plan, they're not shooting blind. I don't even understand how your plan makes sense. Why can't we server as lie detectors after the claim, without all sharing who we made the role for? They're still shooting blind. They don't know what role they're shooting nor what the role actually is other than the name (and they still don't know who that is). But I do get your point that if claims happen we can verify. Just run the risk of this only happening after people are dead and the mafia covering for each other (if someone claims and nobody pipes up that they made the role, a mafia member can "come into the thread late" and claim making the role) Hmm. This plan has far more negatives than positives IMO. Mafia are basically in the dark only about one thing: blue powers. If they know who created which role, it becomes easier to snipe players if the need appears to fakeclaim (just snipe the player who created a specific role). On the other hand, it becomes impossible for them to act until a certain player has been eliminated. This might be useful in the early game, but come late game, every has-to-be-eliminated player should already be eliminated. This just makes it easier for them to plan their shots. In addition, isn't it more advantegeous to keep Mafia completely in the dark? "Fear of the unknown is the greatest fear." That should apply to Mafia as well. Btw, is that Lovetap thing just a joke or an actual power? This doesn't give them any more info, except about who created their power. So yes, if the need arises to fake claim, they will have to shoot that person first. However, it also does the following: 1. If all of mafia have roles that were created by townies, they cannot fake claim their role name (or stuff won't add up at the end of the game) 2. They cannot fake claim their actual role before whoever created their role is dead. An alternative is to claim your actual rolename right now. Fear of the unknown isn't mafia's greatest fear. It's fear of getting caught out as mafia. This helps with that. Also, who knows about the lovetap thing? It could be an actual power, inspired by ##fistbumb from the original PTP, or it could just be sk8r having read the original game and using that to derp around. Point 2 is actually... Partly a negative point. Maybe even mostly. Yes, they can't fakeclaim until they have shot the role creator, but in your plan, it only takes one shot to get 100% access to fakeclaiming that role. If nobody reveals, it's almost impossible for any Mafia to fakeclaim until end/lategame without incredible luck. And point 1 is really a no-point considering that fakeclaiming the name is incredibly easy once the role creator has been shot. Gotta check out ##fistbump now..
It's not a negative point at all. If you think this game will not, at one point, end up in a mass claim situation you clearly haven't played mass themed games before. What this extra information, before claims go flying gives us:
1. It forces mafia to be honest as long (although simply leaving them out of the know would do that too)
2. If someone dies, we know what role is open to a potential fakeclaim
3. If someone flips mafia, then we know the role he made is open to a potential fakeclaim by his mafia buddy.
Points 2 and 3 are not available to us without the claim.
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On June 22 2013 23:20 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2013 22:22 Acrofales wrote:On June 22 2013 22:02 Xatalos wrote:On June 22 2013 21:32 Acrofales wrote:On June 22 2013 21:13 Xatalos wrote:On June 22 2013 12:05 Acrofales wrote:On June 22 2013 11:29 kitaman27 wrote:On June 22 2013 11:18 Acrofales wrote:On June 22 2013 11:06 kitaman27 wrote:On June 22 2013 11:04 Acrofales wrote:
I'm home! Haven't read anything yet, but after umpteen scumgames and a fairly longish break, I finally rolled town!
Also, in case this plan hasn't been proposed yet, I think everybody should say what character they made the role for. That way, if someone claims, someone else can back that shit up, or act as a lie detector. Or the scum can pick off the players that created their roles and they are free to use it as they wish or modify it with a fake claim. That's silly. So what? That limits them in who they can kill. Restricting scum is a good thing. You scum yourself? lol it doesn't limit who the scum can kill. Scum can kill whoever they want, but with your plan, they're not shooting blind. I don't even understand how your plan makes sense. Why can't we server as lie detectors after the claim, without all sharing who we made the role for? They're still shooting blind. They don't know what role they're shooting nor what the role actually is other than the name (and they still don't know who that is). But I do get your point that if claims happen we can verify. Just run the risk of this only happening after people are dead and the mafia covering for each other (if someone claims and nobody pipes up that they made the role, a mafia member can "come into the thread late" and claim making the role) Hmm. This plan has far more negatives than positives IMO. Mafia are basically in the dark only about one thing: blue powers. If they know who created which role, it becomes easier to snipe players if the need appears to fakeclaim (just snipe the player who created a specific role). On the other hand, it becomes impossible for them to act until a certain player has been eliminated. This might be useful in the early game, but come late game, every has-to-be-eliminated player should already be eliminated. This just makes it easier for them to plan their shots. In addition, isn't it more advantegeous to keep Mafia completely in the dark? "Fear of the unknown is the greatest fear." That should apply to Mafia as well. Btw, is that Lovetap thing just a joke or an actual power? This doesn't give them any more info, except about who created their power. So yes, if the need arises to fake claim, they will have to shoot that person first. However, it also does the following: 1. If all of mafia have roles that were created by townies, they cannot fake claim their role name (or stuff won't add up at the end of the game) 2. They cannot fake claim their actual role before whoever created their role is dead. An alternative is to claim your actual rolename right now. Fear of the unknown isn't mafia's greatest fear. It's fear of getting caught out as mafia. This helps with that. Also, who knows about the lovetap thing? It could be an actual power, inspired by ##fistbumb from the original PTP, or it could just be sk8r having read the original game and using that to derp around. Point 2 is actually... Partly a negative point. Maybe even mostly. Yes, they can't fakeclaim until they have shot the role creator, but in your plan, it only takes one shot to get 100% access to fakeclaiming that role. If nobody reveals, it's almost impossible for any Mafia to fakeclaim until end/lategame without incredible luck. And point 1 is really a no-point considering that fakeclaiming the name is incredibly easy once the role creator has been shot. Gotta check out ##fistbump now.. It's not a negative point at all. If you think this game will not, at one point, end up in a mass claim situation you clearly haven't played mass themed games before. What this extra information, before claims go flying gives us: 1. It forces mafia to be honest as long (although simply leaving them out of the know would do that too) 2. If someone dies, we know what role is open to a potential fakeclaim 3. If someone flips mafia, then we know the role he made is open to a potential fakeclaim by his mafia buddy. Points 2 and 3 are not available to us without the claim. Points 2 and 3 are true, but IMO just not as valuable as making fakeclaiming more risky for Mafia. With reveals, everyone knows which role names are open for fakeclaiming. This helps Mafia significantly more than town. Everyone knows that a certain name is open for fakeclaiming, but it's only a *possibility* for fakeclaiming - there's no way to know if the claim is real or fake. Without reveals, Mafia can never know 100% if it's "safe" to fakeclaim a certain role name. There's always a more than 0% chance of being busted if a cornered Mafia needs to fakeclaim. And now if you're shot, for example, Mafia already have one solid role name to use for fakeclaiming with 0% chance of being caught. Of course it would look suspicious soon after your death, but the situation is vastly different at LYLO.
No. They can't claim Doctor, unless they are in fact Doctor. Otherwise someone just counterclaims the name. Of course, if mafia got Doctor (which, btw, I seriously doubt), they are free to claim whatever the hell they want if they kill me.
Anyway, back to the game: austin, you have anything to say about anybody who isn't zephir? What do you think of Kurumi's entry into the thread?
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On June 22 2013 23:43 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2013 11:54 Crossfire99 wrote:
##Pants: WaveofShadow
I'm going to bed now. I'm gone all day tomorrow and doubt that I will be able to post. I should be around Sunday, though. Ugh. This is basically Crossfire99's whole contribution so far (not including his earlier one-liner). And it seems like it'll remain that way for the rest of D1. Not sure if such blatant lurking can even be called scummy, but it's at least definitely anti-town..
He promised contribution on Sunday. It is now Saturday. Also, if Xfire is still as hilariously bad at scum as the last time I played with him, it'll be pretty easy.
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And, if you look at my filter. I am clearly not happy with the way WoS is playing. I even said so in my post about you...
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On June 23 2013 01:05 strongandbig wrote:
Acro you voted me but what do you think of my first post? Y u vote me btw.
Voted for you because you're tricksy scum. You used to be easy to catch, but you've upped your game. Your first post picked on a pretty easy target and gave a rather dubious reason for calling him scum (or at least FoS'ing him).
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On June 22 2013 19:37 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2013 14:56 Kurumi wrote:
For a moment I thought I was still drunk after yesterday but this thread actually makes no sense.
No trolling for me I guess.
We're running the classic lynch, so the most votes person dies? Normal voting rules yeah
Is "normal voting rules strict majority? Or is it plurality?
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On June 23 2013 01:21 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2013 20:34 strongandbig wrote:
Sk8rboi having his vote on bc is pretty weird ATM. If he's really read up on tlmafia like he says then he must have some idea what he's doing.
I think he's trying to behave like "I not scared noob I vote big shot vet hurr hurr" and get people to have town reads on him. I don't like that. Fos on sk8rboi. I never said I was a noob. I just don't have the meta advantage that the vets of this forum have. Or disadvantage, I read players based on their posts because I don't have that extra knowledge. So I can't be misled by meta. Voting bc was just to see reactions.
Anything you learned and feel like sharing?
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