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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
June 13 2013 13:42 GMT
#1341
hmm wait if there was a kill on n2 then vivax is actually absolved by the rb because scum would probably put both kp on one of their members and since there was a kill (JJD) that one can't be vivax
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
June 13 2013 13:46 GMT
#1342
Generally that's not allowed, though it might be worth asking. Even so, you think a JJD doublestack is the most likely scenario?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
June 13 2013 13:48 GMT
#1343
no then they probably hit wos which makes both vayne and wos innocent
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
June 13 2013 13:48 GMT
#1344
well maybe you're scum and that's why they didn't double stack you
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
June 13 2013 13:48 GMT
#1345
but that's not really a theory i'm working with right now
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
June 13 2013 13:49 GMT
#1346
Is that what you think? I'm the most likely 4th member?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
June 13 2013 13:51 GMT
#1347
prplhz (That's you)
WaveofShadow (Innocent by n2)
Vivax (Can't be scum with Sent)
[UoN]Sentinel (Can't be scum with Vivax)
VayneAuthority (Innocent by n2)
s0Lstice kitaman27 (Not your working theory)

So any preference between these individuals for the final mafia member?

jaybrundage
Stutters695
layabout
mkfuba07
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
June 13 2013 13:52 GMT
#1348
Can a mafia player carry out multiple hits on the same night?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
June 13 2013 13:56 GMT
#1349
Yes.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
June 13 2013 14:05 GMT
#1350
prpl, do you think that Ace trying to save rayn was a solo mission?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
June 13 2013 14:08 GMT
#1351
i don't know
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
June 13 2013 15:52 GMT
#1352
Ugh so now on top of determining who is confirmed town based on PR analysis we have to take into account that they might have gambled on N2 and given both shots to one person?
I don't know. Kita you've played scum more than I have. Is that a likely scenario?
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
June 13 2013 16:02 GMT
#1353
On June 14 2013 00:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
Ugh so now on top of determining who is confirmed town based on PR analysis we have to take into account that they might have gambled on N2 and given both shots to one person?
I don't know. Kita you've played scum more than I have. Is that a likely scenario?


It's not something I would risk in a setup with a roleblocker. I'd also warn against trying to consider a player "confirmed town" based on PR analysis. What are your thoughts about prpl coming up with a case against Vivax, roleblocking Vivax, and suddenly concluding that a case from two days ago on a player that is "checked" green is the best lynch?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
June 13 2013 16:04 GMT
#1354
I'm also somewhat concerned about the similarity of these two posts, regarding the attempt to swing a lynch away from rayn, but showing signs of frustration with nobody around to convince.

On June 06 2013 06:38 Ace wrote:
well everyone is afk and the lynch is in an hour and a half.


On June 06 2013 07:03 prplhz wrote:
There's still an hour left so people give a holla if you're around.

I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
June 13 2013 16:08 GMT
#1355
On June 13 2013 09:20 Stutters695 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2013 09:14 VayneAuthority wrote:
##vote:vivax

I think I'd rather see sent flip, but I can get behind this for now

##vote: Vivax

Gonna do some filter diving, playing two games with multiple people is getting me all sorts of fucked up.


On June 13 2013 11:00 Stutters695 wrote:
Protip lynch prpl if vivax flips town. There is a reason I made a case on him d1


These posts also concern me. Sutters indicates he wants to vote Sent, but votes Vivax instead. He also states that a mislynch on Vivax should result in a prpl lynch, but doesn't seem to consider a prpl lynch today.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
June 13 2013 16:20 GMT
#1356
Kita do you think the last 2 scum are amongst vivax/sent/prpl?
I've been putting off a real read on Vivax for ages so let me do that right now.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
June 13 2013 16:37 GMT
#1357
Vivax:
He's definitely playing 'differently' this game. To what end I'm not sure. It could always be simply a factor of his activity (which has been lower to be sure, but that must be excused) but it's also a factor of him not acting all crazy 'conspiracy theory Vivax' or 'vote for people out of nowhere Vivax' that I've seen him do as town. He appears much more reserved and dare I say....careful. Not a very Vivax-y way to play.

On June 06 2013 02:21 Vivax wrote:
This dude is even a better lynch

##Unvote
##Vote Vayne

On June 06 2013 03:28 Vivax wrote:
If you're town the site you come from breeds really bad blood.

##Unvote
##Vote Rayn


Can you give me an opinion on Rayn's last post?

So these posts are about an hour apart. At first glance this appears to be the 'quickvote' Vivax I was referring to earlier but it still doesn't feel towny to me. He offers no reasoning to either vote, really, but the Vayne vote mystifies me as a scum move. If Vayne is town I don't see why a scum Vivax would draw attention to himself with a move like that. It would honestly make more sense if Vayne were scum with him and he thought Vayne fucked up so he wanted to be driving the bus. Preflip associations bad though, and it's not really likely Vayne is scum....is it?

On June 08 2013 01:18 Vivax wrote:
My analysis of Sentinel's play and why he is most likely town:

Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 05:23 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
prplhz - 7/10 scumpoints for his questionable defense of rayn which may or may not be motivated by meta (2 above neutral for his flip flop)

vayne - 9/10 scumpoints from bringing nothing of value and defending rayn

oats - 6/10 scumpoints because although his godforsaken ace push is angering me, he's using what little substance he offers to pressure me into a lynch. rayn was ignoring me (I maintain that he was setting me up). vayne looks like he's ignoring half the players in this game too (including at least one scum). oats is taking the spotlight to lead who he (mistakenly) thinks is town. he gets one scumpoint for the ace push and is otherwise a neutral (but incredibly pithy!) player.


Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 18:52 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Vayne and prplhz voted for Oats and defending Ace on little evidence despite public opinion, are we having a repeat of the rayn lynch? Can we be right twice?

##unvote
##vote: ace


At first glance this post looked really scummy for the reasons he used to switch to ace, but it provides valuable information.
Sentinel is basing all his reasoning on two other people being scum, while having Oats as scummy as well (I disagree with the notion but it's probably town-motivated)

Now, imagine Oats is scum and Sentinel too. That doesn't really fit, right? Sentinel has been pushing Oats throughout D1, then he added Vayne and prplhz as his scumreads, and ace revealed the cop check, and Sentinel thinks "Oh well two scummers are on another scummers' wagon so ace is scum", and Oats can't be scum.

What has been going on here? These are the explanations:

1: Sentinel is scum, Oats is miller and ace is cop. Sentinel lynches Ace and still can lynch Oats afterwards. (improbable)
2: Sentinel is scum, Oats is standard town and ace is scum. Sentinel busses ace over his scumread for maximum town cred cause he knows that whatever happens, ace will die after Oats. (improbable, he has been pushing Oats all the time before)
3: Sentinel is town and genuinely thinks that Oats can't be scum cause two other scum reads vote for him, discarding the possibility that they know that Oats will die sooner or later. (probable)

That means that, in case of an Oats red flip, Sentinel is town. And in case of an Ace red flip, he's also town, simply cause I don't see him going for an ace bus when all he has been doing so far in the game would have allowed him to keep pushing Oats instead of ace.

If Oats was miller, then the reasoning is obviously useless, but I guess we have to gamble here.

_____________________________________________________________________________________________________

As for who to choose today, Ace was in no danger of getting lynched any time soon, and Oats seems like a likely target for a check for his strange D1 tunnel on Ace. I've never played against scum-Ace, but I doubt he would be so stupid to throw away his life with a fake check, hoping that town believes Oats was miller last night.

Oats is now clearly putting up a fight and also delivering reads on other people now that he's at danger of getting lynched, that's only logic cause scum has to defend themselves since they lost Rayn or they will lose valuable KP after that awful start.

If you still think that Oats could be town, go read what Zephir wrote about him in his analysis post before dying:

Show nested quote +

Oatsmaster: I would lynch rayn today too, => I could lynch both Sent and rayn though => directly asks rayn why didnt he want to lynch ace => I wanna lynch Rayn and stutters and Ace today, => Im not feeling this rayn lynch anymore.

Note: rayn's response was "Oats if Ace does post more fluff i'm certainly in killing him. There is no reason to not contribute anything."

On June 08 2013 06:13 Vivax wrote:
I don't get why you people are even discussing Sentinel for lynch. My post lays out already that he is most likely town, I'll explain it like you're 5 year old:

a) He was pushing Oats all along → Unlikely scum with Oats
b) He switched to Ace cause two of his scumreads voted Oats → Unlikely scum with ace (and I don't think that scum would be willing to trade cred for a NK)

Unless ace and Oats are both town, Sentinel isn't scum, barring any powerplay where he plays exactly the opposite of how he should.

We should keep it as simple as possible and lynch Oats, and if Oats flips town we lynch ace, if Oats was miller then we gambled and lost.

Show nested quote +
On June 08 2013 06:10 layabout wrote:
I feel like my reads are good right now and town is in a good spot but i'm nervous about oatsmaster since i can see him being town and i really don't want us to get screwed by a miller check.


Layabout can you lay out the reasons for why you think he's town?

He's been calling Sentinel town all game. He even used his cop check to prove it.
Would it make sense for a scum team to go all-out and try to protect Sent like this? Ace saccing himself, Vivax behaving this way....something isn't right.

I did find an interesting gem in that Layabout at one point went from 'Don't check Ace it's a waste' to "check Ace."
I think I may have mentioned it before. I'm really worried about our cop checks now though.

Vivax talks a LOT about the possible doublestack of JJD and this bothers me because it seems really unlikely so why bring it up constantly?
.....
Sorry for the scattered thoughts in here, but I think if it weren't for blue results these past two nights I wouldn't be voting Vivax. His play is a little more careful this game to be sure but his analysis has been steady and seems genuine.

I really don't like the implications of this because it almost assuredly means we have been misled by our blue roles.
For now:
##Unvote

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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
June 13 2013 17:06 GMT
#1358
On June 13 2013 22:40 kitaman27 wrote:
What do you think about Sent's post where he infers that he doesn't know Ace is the veteran? Feigning ignorance?



I'm pretty sure I implied the opposite of that.
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
June 13 2013 17:18 GMT
#1359
On June 14 2013 01:20 WaveofShadow wrote:
Kita do you think the last 2 scum are amongst vivax/sent/prpl?


The most obvious scenario is that Sent/Vivax are scumbuddies. Vivax roles mafia cop, realizes that Sent was roleblocked, and claims to save him because otherwise he is almost certainly getting lynched. Right now, I'm trying to cover the scenarios that get us in trouble if we don't end the game with the 4+ mislynches we probably have available.

On June 14 2013 02:06 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2013 22:40 kitaman27 wrote:
What do you think about Sent's post where he infers that he doesn't know Ace is the veteran? Feigning ignorance?



I'm pretty sure I implied the opposite of that.


Hmm?

Also, how come you aren't worried that I might be scum?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
June 13 2013 17:19 GMT
#1360
Kita did you read my dive into Vivax?
You really think the scumteam has been going all out to save Sentinel of all people?
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