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On June 08 2013 16:51 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 16:40 Ace wrote:On June 08 2013 16:35 Oatsmaster wrote:
Um lol Im not playing ANYTHING like carnival. Where do you get that conclusion from?
Carnival, I was sheepy sheepy lazy townie, I didnt really push anyone.
The thing that worries me about Vivax, is that he has done all the 'right' things, but he hasnt been anywhere near as active as he has been normally.
Ace, would you do this cop thing if you were scum? Since your current position is that you are town. Pretend you are scum in the thread. Would you do it.
Town is Ace's current role as he has said it to the thread.
No. The risk is too great as a simple Cop check would get me lynched. I dont like this sentence. I dont know why. Ace, can you explain what risk is involved fake claiming a red check that turns out green?
If mafia get cop the next night one of them can claim a green check or if the player that fake claimed gets miller and is checked then they will get a green check and the claimer can probably dodge the lynch.
If town gets cop and gets a red check then that player they they will get lynched. If somebody other than that player is checked town will lynch the claimer since miller is unlikely.
It's a total gamble that favors town but the odds for mafia aren't all that bad but it involves a bunch of conditional probability and i am not sure how the rng works. It should be about 30% for mafia 70% for town (taking P(not mafia cop)=10/13 P(Claimer doesn't get miller)=11/12)
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Layabout, are you suggesting lynching outside of Ace/Oats and then get a town cop to check one of them?
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On June 08 2013 22:16 Vivax wrote:
Layabout, are you suggesting lynching outside of Ace/Oats and then get a town cop to check one of them?
No i am explaining the risk for mafia fake-claiming since it's not as bad as Ace is telling us it is.
I would have preferred if we had done that earlier on but that's actually a terrible idea. I think there would be more value in a check on someone else.
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On June 08 2013 15:05 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 03:53 JarJarDrinks wrote:On June 08 2013 03:46 WaveofShadow wrote:
lol Sent I was about to say I have no idea why Oats thought your post was scummy Heh I actually agree w/ Oats on that last one. The only scenerio in which I can imagine scum Ace lying about Oats is if Sent is also scum and they decided to take a huge gamble becuase Sent looked like he was headed towards a noose today. Sent planting seeds that he may not vote for Ace worries me. No need to worry, I'm not Scum. Don't associate his behavior with me. I already outlined it would be a crazy idea for me to gamble with his defense here. OK, but I feel like a an Oats/Sent team is kinda unlikely and Sent is just blatently scum right now. I'd still rather Lynch Oats than you for all the reasons I've already said. But I;d rather Lynch Sent than either of you
On June 08 2013 16:40 Ace wrote:
Right. I even said if Oats flips Town and you guys don't believe me just have the Cop check me tonight. In the post where I claimed I even, never mind I'm just repeating myself.
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It's a wonderful idea. We know the possibility of a miller does exist so Oats flipping Town implicates me. A simple check resolves whether I am lying or not unless I am scum and get miller/gf. Lynching me results in up to 6 dead Townies when 1 check could have saved us time and lives.
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No. The risk is too great as a simple Cop check would get me lynched Ace, you do realize that is Oats flips green, you're autolynched tomorrow. The cop isn't gonna waste a check on you. I really don't like how you're already making contingency plans for a town flip. If we're planning on wasting a copcheck on you in the case of a mislynch, it makes more sense to not lynch you or Oats today and wait till we get results back.
This is why I think we should lynch Sent today. An unlucky miller check basically means we lose 6 townies before we get back to the game. We should lynch Sent cause he's scum, have the cop check Ace tonight, and lynch one of Ace/Oats tomorrow.
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On June 08 2013 22:22 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 22:16 Vivax wrote:
Layabout, are you suggesting lynching outside of Ace/Oats and then get a town cop to check one of them? No i am explaining the risk for mafia fake-claiming since it's not as bad as Ace is telling us it is. I would have preferred if we had done that earlier on but that's actually a terrible idea. I think there would be more value in a check on someone else.
Exactly what I thought, it'd be a waste of a check.
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Yeah I was gonna say that this actually didnt involve much risk for Ace to do.
Now that we have determined that Ace, arguably best scum player has deliberately increased the possible danger of fakeclaiming and didnt take into account, scum might get the cop. Its safe to say that Ace is scum.
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On June 08 2013 16:50 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +Oats was one of the worst players in the game in CC. Knowing this, if he is Town again then why make some of the same blatant mistakes that led to Scum winning? Oats is rational so he would know that is bad. He's still tunneling to an extreme amount and exaggerating situations trying to paint me in a worse predicament than reality shows. Even if I were to believe Oats is just that bad to not change his play, his Day 1 play still reeks.
Can you point out where my play is similar to Carnival?
the post you quoted isn't enough?
On June 08 2013 16:51 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 16:40 Ace wrote:On June 08 2013 16:35 Oatsmaster wrote:
Um lol Im not playing ANYTHING like carnival. Where do you get that conclusion from?
Carnival, I was sheepy sheepy lazy townie, I didnt really push anyone.
The thing that worries me about Vivax, is that he has done all the 'right' things, but he hasnt been anywhere near as active as he has been normally.
Ace, would you do this cop thing if you were scum? Since your current position is that you are town. Pretend you are scum in the thread. Would you do it.
Town is Ace's current role as he has said it to the thread.
No. The risk is too great as a simple Cop check would get me lynched. I dont like this sentence. I dont know why. Ace, can you explain what risk is involved fake claiming a red check that turns out green?
If I'm Scum faking a check I'd be lynched tomorrow and drop our KP to 1.
On June 08 2013 16:52 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ace, why are going through and answering stuff post by post? How does this help town know you are town, and to find scum?
I missed the entire day. I'm not sure what you're getting at here as it makes sense for me to come back and comment on what went on.
On June 08 2013 22:22 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 22:16 Vivax wrote:
Layabout, are you suggesting lynching outside of Ace/Oats and then get a town cop to check one of them? No i am explaining the risk for mafia fake-claiming since it's not as bad as Ace is telling us it is. I would have preferred if we had done that earlier on but that's actually a terrible idea. I think there would be more value in a check on someone else.
If I'm Scum and getting autolynched the next day I think that's a pretty big risk.
On June 08 2013 22:25 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 15:05 Ace wrote:On June 08 2013 03:53 JarJarDrinks wrote:On June 08 2013 03:46 WaveofShadow wrote:
lol Sent I was about to say I have no idea why Oats thought your post was scummy Heh I actually agree w/ Oats on that last one. The only scenerio in which I can imagine scum Ace lying about Oats is if Sent is also scum and they decided to take a huge gamble becuase Sent looked like he was headed towards a noose today. Sent planting seeds that he may not vote for Ace worries me. No need to worry, I'm not Scum. Don't associate his behavior with me. I already outlined it would be a crazy idea for me to gamble with his defense here. OK, but I feel like a an Oats/Sent team is kinda unlikely and Sent is just blatently scum right now. I'd still rather Lynch Oats than you for all the reasons I've already said. But I;d rather Lynch Sent than either of you Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 16:40 Ace wrote:
Right. I even said if Oats flips Town and you guys don't believe me just have the Cop check me tonight. In the post where I claimed I even, never mind I'm just repeating myself.
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It's a wonderful idea. We know the possibility of a miller does exist so Oats flipping Town implicates me. A simple check resolves whether I am lying or not unless I am scum and get miller/gf. Lynching me results in up to 6 dead Townies when 1 check could have saved us time and lives.
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No. The risk is too great as a simple Cop check would get me lynched Ace, you do realize that is Oats flips green, you're autolynched tomorrow. The cop isn't gonna waste a check on you. I really don't like how you're already making contingency plans for a town flip. If we're planning on wasting a copcheck on you in the case of a mislynch, it makes more sense to not lynch you or Oats today and wait till we get results back. This is why I think we should lynch Sent today. An unlucky miller check basically means we lose 6 townies before we get back to the game. We should lynch Sent cause he's scum, have the cop check Ace tonight, and lynch one of Ace/Oats tomorrow.
Don't look at it as a contingency plan then. It's literally me spelling out every explanation of the various scenarios I've been asked over and over. I know I'm Town and confident in my check. In the unlikely scenario Oats flips Town then clearly I'd ask to be checked to clear myself and avoid 6 Town deaths. What else would you expect me to say? Go ahead and lynch me?
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On June 08 2013 22:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
Yeah I was gonna say that this actually didnt involve much risk for Ace to do.
Now that we have determined that Ace, arguably best scum player has deliberately increased the possible danger of fakeclaiming and didnt take into account, scum might get the cop. Its safe to say that Ace is scum.
???
Are you guys forgetting if I'm scum and get autolynched scum Kp drops to 1. How is that not much risk?
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On June 08 2013 22:28 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 22:22 layabout wrote:On June 08 2013 22:16 Vivax wrote:
Layabout, are you suggesting lynching outside of Ace/Oats and then get a town cop to check one of them? No i am explaining the risk for mafia fake-claiming since it's not as bad as Ace is telling us it is. I would have preferred if we had done that earlier on but that's actually a terrible idea. I think there would be more value in a check on someone else. Exactly what I thought, it'd be a waste of a check.
So you guys are both advocating that if Oats flips green, we still don't check Ace tonight right? Because if it would be a waste of a check when we lynch outside of Ace/Oats, it would be even more of a waste if we lynch a town Oats first.
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Because.
By lynching me, you definitely get an extra KP.
Cop wastes a check.
Scum could get cop.
You could get GF.
Its not the definite 1 for 1 you are making it out to be. You are ignoring any reason that scum has to do this. Why Ace?
Ace, I mean specific portions in carnival where im playing like in this game.
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On June 08 2013 22:41 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 22:28 Vivax wrote:On June 08 2013 22:22 layabout wrote:On June 08 2013 22:16 Vivax wrote:
Layabout, are you suggesting lynching outside of Ace/Oats and then get a town cop to check one of them? No i am explaining the risk for mafia fake-claiming since it's not as bad as Ace is telling us it is. I would have preferred if we had done that earlier on but that's actually a terrible idea. I think there would be more value in a check on someone else. Exactly what I thought, it'd be a waste of a check. So you guys are both advocating that if Oats flips green, we still don't check Ace tonight right? Because if it would be a waste of a check when we lynch outside of Ace/Oats, it would be even more of a waste if we lynch a town Oats first.
If Oats flips town ace gets lynched next, cop must not check ace but somebody else like Sentinel.
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On June 08 2013 22:39 Ace wrote:
Don't look at it as a contingency plan then. It's literally me spelling out every explanation of the various scenarios I've been asked over and over. I know I'm Town and confident in my check. In the unlikely scenario Oats flips Town then clearly I'd ask to be checked to clear myself and avoid 6 Town deaths. What else would you expect me to say? Go ahead and lynch me?
No I understand as either town or scum you'd want the cop to check you @ that point. But you understand that it's unlikely to happen and we'd most likely autolynch you?
If you could choose between these 2 scenarios, what you would choose?
Lynch Oats and if he flips green autolynch you tomorrow
OR
Lynch Sentinel and have a cop check you tonight and then we lynch based on the cops info tommorrow.
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On June 08 2013 22:25 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 15:05 Ace wrote:On June 08 2013 03:53 JarJarDrinks wrote:On June 08 2013 03:46 WaveofShadow wrote:
lol Sent I was about to say I have no idea why Oats thought your post was scummy Heh I actually agree w/ Oats on that last one. The only scenerio in which I can imagine scum Ace lying about Oats is if Sent is also scum and they decided to take a huge gamble becuase Sent looked like he was headed towards a noose today. Sent planting seeds that he may not vote for Ace worries me. No need to worry, I'm not Scum. Don't associate his behavior with me. I already outlined it would be a crazy idea for me to gamble with his defense here. OK, but I feel like a an Oats/Sent team is kinda unlikely and Sent is just blatently scum right now. I'd still rather Lynch Oats than you for all the reasons I've already said. But I;d rather Lynch Sent than either of you Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 16:40 Ace wrote:
Right. I even said if Oats flips Town and you guys don't believe me just have the Cop check me tonight. In the post where I claimed I even, never mind I'm just repeating myself.
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It's a wonderful idea. We know the possibility of a miller does exist so Oats flipping Town implicates me. A simple check resolves whether I am lying or not unless I am scum and get miller/gf. Lynching me results in up to 6 dead Townies when 1 check could have saved us time and lives.
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No. The risk is too great as a simple Cop check would get me lynched Ace, you do realize that is Oats flips green, you're autolynched tomorrow. The cop isn't gonna waste a check on you. I really don't like how you're already making contingency plans for a town flip. If we're planning on wasting a copcheck on you in the case of a mislynch, it makes more sense to not lynch you or Oats today and wait till we get results back. This is why I think we should lynch Sent today. An unlucky miller check basically means we lose 6 townies before we get back to the game. We should lynch Sent cause he's scum, have the cop check Ace tonight, and lynch one of Ace/Oats tomorrow.
But if we do that then:
If we mislynch today and mafia get cop or Ace get miller then we are boned.
If ace is mafia they can give him a green check (or if he gets godfather) and then we follow the check and flip Oats. In this scenario Oats is going to be green and we are at lylo, we then lynch ace but remain at lylo.
If ace is town they can give him a red check (or if he gets miller) we then lynch Ace who flips town. We are at lylo with a red check on Oats the chance of him being town miller and 3 mafia alive.
Again this assumes no saves but i think a single save would still put us at lylo.
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Too complicated guys.
We lynch Ace cause he plays like scum, and we dont lynch me cause I play like town.
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On June 08 2013 22:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
Because.
By lynching me, you definitely get an extra KP.
Cop wastes a check.
Scum could get cop.
You could get GF.
Its not the definite 1 for 1 you are making it out to be. You are ignoring any reason that scum has to do this. Why Ace?
Ace, I mean specific portions in carnival where im playing like in this game.
I don't have any KP. Think about what you're saying here. Assume I'm Scum. I was in no danger of getting lynched today. I could let any random Townie die and get my "extra" KP. Instead I cause a ruckus with a check on you knowing it could lead to my death and drop the Scum team's KP to 1.
Also stop putting words in my mouth. I've never said anything about a 1 for 1 trade. That was someone else.
I'm not going to go back and read the entire game but I know in my write up I mentioned how you were not reading people's posts.
On June 08 2013 22:47 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 22:39 Ace wrote:
Don't look at it as a contingency plan then. It's literally me spelling out every explanation of the various scenarios I've been asked over and over. I know I'm Town and confident in my check. In the unlikely scenario Oats flips Town then clearly I'd ask to be checked to clear myself and avoid 6 Town deaths. What else would you expect me to say? Go ahead and lynch me? No I understand as either town or scum you'd want the cop to check you @ that point. But you understand that it's unlikely to happen and we'd most likely autolynch you? If you could choose between these 2 scenarios, what you would choose? Lynch Oats and if he flips green autolynch you tomorrow OR Lynch Sentinel and have a cop check you tonight and then we lynch based on the cops info tommorrow.
Assuming I was a neutral observer, I'd lynch me if Oats flipped Town. I don't think lynching Sentinel is the right move here.
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Wait, JJD. Are you up for lynching Sentinel because you associate him with one of me/Oats being Scum?
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fucking Ace.
look at this
Also stop putting words in my mouth. I've never said anything about a 1 for 1 trade. That was someone else.
Oh no but if we cop check him, and hes scum, we lynch him. In his words.
THATS a 1 for 1 trade. Or slightly more.
By lynching me, you definitelyget an extra KP.
Look Ace, you understand english? You understand what definitely means rather than likely? Yes? It doesnt appear so.
I'm not going to go back and read the entire game but I know in my write up I mentioned how you were not reading people's posts.
And you meta read me and dont want to put in the 'effort' to verify it cause you know you cant find shit.
Another thing about your meta read.
If I am playing EXACTLY like how I played in Carnival, which is what your post seemed to imply, Am I not town? Why does me having the same playstyle as a town player make me scum in this game.
So I look like town, but that makes me scum.
/dunked
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So you realized I didn't say what you claimed I did, and now you're trying to stretch it to look like I did say its a 1 for 1 trade. Amazing.
I don't know what your second quote is from. Post the entire quote so I know what I was speaking on. Stop taking my stuff out of context.
I did not meta read you. I commented on how you were terrible last game, and I don't think you would be bad enough to know what you did wrong and keep doing it. Once again, you can quote the post where I said for everyone to see.
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No Ace, Im saying that you imply through your posting and current attitude that If I flip town, you die tmr.
That makes it so you are saying that its a 1 for 1 trade today.
Oats was one of the worst players in the game in CC. Knowing this, if he is Town again then why make some of the same blatant mistakes that led to Scum winning? Oats is rational so he would know that is bad. He's still tunneling to an extreme amount and exaggerating situations trying to paint me in a worse predicament than reality shows. Even if I were to believe Oats is just that bad to not change his play, his Day 1 play still reeks.
This is the meta read.
It says I play like I played in Carnival. Which I flipped town in. Which somehow makes me scum in this game.
OH MAN.
Because.
By lynching me, you definitely get an extra KP.
Cop wastes a check.
Scum could get cop.
You could get GF.
In response to this, you said.
I don't have any KP. Think about what you're saying here. Assume I'm Scum. I was in no danger of getting lynched today. I could let any random Townie die and get my "extra" KP. Instead I cause a ruckus with a check on you knowing it could lead to my death and drop the Scum team's KP to 1.
'Let any random townie die'
Thats probable but not definite. A red check is pretty definite.
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On June 08 2013 23:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
No Ace, Im saying that you imply through your posting and current attitude that If I flip town, you die tmr.
That makes it so you are saying that its a 1 for 1 trade today.
I've never implied anything. There isn't a trade. I'm Town, so if you die and flip Town then we both just drop Town numbers. I think you're mixing up my posts with someone else's because I'm as clear as day.
Oats was one of the worst players in the game in CC. Knowing this, if he is Town again then why make some of the same blatant mistakes that led to Scum winning? Oats is rational so he would know that is bad. He's still tunneling to an extreme amount and exaggerating situations trying to paint me in a worse predicament than reality shows. Even if I were to believe Oats is just that bad to not change his play, his Day 1 play still reeks.
This is the meta read.
It says I play like I played in Carnival. Which I flipped town in. Which somehow makes me scum in this game.
OH MAN.
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That is NOT a meta read. Honestly, after this game we need to sit down and talk about "meta" because you guys keep using the term wrong. I didn't make any notions about some trait specific to you. All I did was say I don't think you'd make the same mistakes as Town on purpose as you did last game. You keep skipping this part as if I didn't know you were Town that game and can't explain myself.
Because.
By lynching me, you definitely get an extra KP.
Cop wastes a check.
Scum could get cop.
You could get GF.
In response to this, you said.
I don't have any KP. Think about what you're saying here. Assume I'm Scum. I was in no danger of getting lynched today. I could let any random Townie die and get my "extra" KP. Instead I cause a ruckus with a check on you knowing it could lead to my death and drop the Scum team's KP to 1.
'Let any random townie die'
Thats probable but not definite. A red check is pretty definite.[/QUOTE]
Your saying it's probable that a mislynch would occur if I was Scum correct? And me knowing this pulled this stunt to avoid one. Is that what you're getting at?
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