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On June 08 2013 22:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
Yeah I was gonna say that this actually didnt involve much risk for Ace to do.
Now that we have determined that Ace, arguably best scum player has deliberately increased the possible danger of fakeclaiming and didnt take into account, scum might get the cop. Its safe to say that Ace is scum.
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Are you guys forgetting if I'm scum and get autolynched scum Kp drops to 1. How is that not much risk?
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On June 08 2013 22:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
Because.
By lynching me, you definitely get an extra KP.
Cop wastes a check.
Scum could get cop.
You could get GF.
Its not the definite 1 for 1 you are making it out to be. You are ignoring any reason that scum has to do this. Why Ace?
Ace, I mean specific portions in carnival where im playing like in this game.
I don't have any KP. Think about what you're saying here. Assume I'm Scum. I was in no danger of getting lynched today. I could let any random Townie die and get my "extra" KP. Instead I cause a ruckus with a check on you knowing it could lead to my death and drop the Scum team's KP to 1.
Also stop putting words in my mouth. I've never said anything about a 1 for 1 trade. That was someone else.
I'm not going to go back and read the entire game but I know in my write up I mentioned how you were not reading people's posts.
On June 08 2013 22:47 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 22:39 Ace wrote:
Don't look at it as a contingency plan then. It's literally me spelling out every explanation of the various scenarios I've been asked over and over. I know I'm Town and confident in my check. In the unlikely scenario Oats flips Town then clearly I'd ask to be checked to clear myself and avoid 6 Town deaths. What else would you expect me to say? Go ahead and lynch me? No I understand as either town or scum you'd want the cop to check you @ that point. But you understand that it's unlikely to happen and we'd most likely autolynch you? If you could choose between these 2 scenarios, what you would choose? Lynch Oats and if he flips green autolynch you tomorrow OR Lynch Sentinel and have a cop check you tonight and then we lynch based on the cops info tommorrow.
Assuming I was a neutral observer, I'd lynch me if Oats flipped Town. I don't think lynching Sentinel is the right move here.
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Wait, JJD. Are you up for lynching Sentinel because you associate him with one of me/Oats being Scum?
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So you realized I didn't say what you claimed I did, and now you're trying to stretch it to look like I did say its a 1 for 1 trade. Amazing.
I don't know what your second quote is from. Post the entire quote so I know what I was speaking on. Stop taking my stuff out of context.
I did not meta read you. I commented on how you were terrible last game, and I don't think you would be bad enough to know what you did wrong and keep doing it. Once again, you can quote the post where I said for everyone to see.
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On June 08 2013 23:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
No Ace, Im saying that you imply through your posting and current attitude that If I flip town, you die tmr.
That makes it so you are saying that its a 1 for 1 trade today.
I've never implied anything. There isn't a trade. I'm Town, so if you die and flip Town then we both just drop Town numbers. I think you're mixing up my posts with someone else's because I'm as clear as day.
Oats was one of the worst players in the game in CC. Knowing this, if he is Town again then why make some of the same blatant mistakes that led to Scum winning? Oats is rational so he would know that is bad. He's still tunneling to an extreme amount and exaggerating situations trying to paint me in a worse predicament than reality shows. Even if I were to believe Oats is just that bad to not change his play, his Day 1 play still reeks.
This is the meta read.
It says I play like I played in Carnival. Which I flipped town in. Which somehow makes me scum in this game.
OH MAN.
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That is NOT a meta read. Honestly, after this game we need to sit down and talk about "meta" because you guys keep using the term wrong. I didn't make any notions about some trait specific to you. All I did was say I don't think you'd make the same mistakes as Town on purpose as you did last game. You keep skipping this part as if I didn't know you were Town that game and can't explain myself.
Because.
By lynching me, you definitely get an extra KP.
Cop wastes a check.
Scum could get cop.
You could get GF.
In response to this, you said.
I don't have any KP. Think about what you're saying here. Assume I'm Scum. I was in no danger of getting lynched today. I could let any random Townie die and get my "extra" KP. Instead I cause a ruckus with a check on you knowing it could lead to my death and drop the Scum team's KP to 1.
'Let any random townie die'
Thats probable but not definite. A red check is pretty definite.[/QUOTE]
Your saying it's probable that a mislynch would occur if I was Scum correct? And me knowing this pulled this stunt to avoid one. Is that what you're getting at?
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I think we have different definitions of meta Oats. I also said what I considered bad Townie mistakes in one of my earlier posts - exaggerating situations and failing to read posts.
Lastly, I don't think it's a 1 for 1 trade assuming Mafia did it. I never said that and if I did point it out to me and I'll own up to it. I seriously think you are stretching whatever I said to fit your definition here. I didn't imply anything in any of my posts either.
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Oats, you seriously have comprehension problems. That does not "sum it up as 1 for 1".
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I'm not Scum so why I be talking about or even implying in my posts about 1 for 1 trades? The only thing I mentioned in assuming I'm Scum and getting lynched is Scum KP dropping to 1. That's it. There is no other way to read it.
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On June 09 2013 00:12 Oatsmaster wrote:
you have reading comprehension problems.
1 Reason why I think you are scum, is because you havent said anything more about the possbility of fakeclaims other than the dude gets lynched when I flip town.
You havent said anything about the chance for scum to get cop, for yourself to get gf, for town derping it up.
Many things that dont make this a 1 for 1 trade for scum.
Like 3 people have asked me about the fakeclaim. I've answered everything and if I left something out, then how does that prove me as being Scum? Not one person has come to this conclusion except you. You are the only person that can read my posts and see some hidden meaning in them via something I didn't do.
@prp: I stated this in my big post my top Scumread outside of Oats is Sentinel
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We aren't lynching me immediately. I already told you - take a Cop check. It is the best path to avoid a string of Town deaths.
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Re-read Day 1. My suspect from the moment I got back was Oats. I would have had to know I would get the Cop role ahead of time to set the situation up. Town Cop + Miller is what happened here. Anyone trying to set me up for a lynch ahead of time knew Oats was Town and knows I am also.
I argued that I should be checked first thing to open up as I know I am Town. You can easily catch me as lying Scum with this check, and drop Scum KP to 1 with my lynch tomorrow and do as I said pregame to break it. When I flip Town though:
you'll have zepphird, sl0osh, Oats, Townie A, Townie B, Me, Townie C, and Townie D assuming no vet/med saves all dead. That is 8 dead town players in a row all because Scum are trying to convince you not to check me. It is THE easiest thing to do to avoid this situation - why would you ignore it?
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Funny you should ask - you are the #1 suspect.
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You aren't lynching me because it would be a stupid move. You should check me to avoid a disaster. I've already outlined this numerous times. I was under no pressure of getting lynched, could have easily not claimed Cop, or let anyone get mislynched if I was Scum. I'd also have the chance of Oats flip Town implicate me for a lynch the next day. Me getting lynched drops Scum Kp to 1, and allows for the scenario I outlined pre-game to take place. That is the entire reason Dandel Ion changed the Scum KP formula. For me to do all of this and risk the game, when I could have just done anything else is foolish. To account for this, as soon as I claimed I said you can check me tonight in the (at the time from my pov unlikely) event Oats flips Town.
For me to be Scum here I'd have to:
A.) fake a check on Oats.
B.) Set up a reason to investigate him
But my suspicions on Oats started entirely because he tunneled me when I was afk for most of Day 1. I even asked him why and he never responded. For me to be Scum here I would have to be gambling hard that I set him up and roll Cop the following night. That is a major stretch but ok, assume this is true and I am Scum.
The next day, I am under no pressure to be lynched. However, I claim a Scum check on Oats knowing he'd eventually flip Town and screw me over. I'd have to be once again, gambling on the chance I get GF role or my scum team gets off another fake check. Ahead of time.
For you to lynch me you have to accept that these 2 long- shot scenarios occurred. That I set myself up to be immune from investigation days before this scenario actually popped up. Now honestly, kita, Wos, and anyone else that wanted to lynch me before we even got to this point do you think I set all of this up? How would I have accounted for a bad roll of the dice if I am Scum? And how in the world are you all ignoring the fact that I am Town results in 8 players deaths in a row?
Anyone who didn't take the time to think this scenario out and wanted a quick lynch are most likely Scum. You want to investigate someone else tonight? Pick between yourselves. Because Im not getting lynched tomorrow.
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On June 09 2013 12:53 kitaman27 wrote:
In fact, I think posting your reads of every single player would be a great idea. If you are truly town, then you understand what position you are in and should do whatever you can to prove it.
I never do this, so stop asking. I'm not in a bad position so you can quit parroting that theme.
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Except I never list off all my town/scum reads. That's a known fact about me. Want to try again and actually respond to my last post?
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Kita you've just proven you haven't been reading the thread. Your filter is short, is mostly about me/Oats. Why are you asking me a question that you should already know the answer to? It's been answered about 3 times already. You also won't respond to my last post. You just slipped up buddy.
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On June 10 2013 04:34 kitaman27 wrote:
Please tell me you're not analyzing an anonymous poll -_-
gotta admit, I lolled
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kita, Wos here is a simple question: assume I am Scum. Why would I be begging you to check me for 2 days ahead of time to prove my innocence?
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On June 10 2013 04:45 VayneAuthority wrote:
is that a serious post? I hate having to decide on Dumbtelling
I voted for the "lynch him" option. Follow my lead.
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