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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 07 2013 01:34 GMT
#681
On June 07 2013 10:26 mkfuba07 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 10:00 jaybrundage wrote:
Hmm So Ace claimed cop and Oats came up red. My first reaction is to call bullshit. I mean if mafia got cop then they could bullshit a check at night. If Oats comes up green if we lynch him ace could just fall back on the miller possibility.


But on the other had if ace is green then we should by all means go for it. I just have trouble seeing ace as green.

The worse case scenario being that Ace is town and checks Oats who is town and miller. That would kinda suck.

At the end of the day it depends on who is most likely mafia from whats going on from the thread. Between Oats and Ace i wanna say ace from his last minute vote derail

Not sure it's fair to say ace is scummier for trying to derail the lynch, when oats was doing the same thing. The only difference is that oats was in position to do it before the wagon started going, while ace got apprehensive and pulled out. It's not like oats stopped trying to push ace when rayn was set to be lynched.

When Rayn returned to the thread, I thought he was town.
Ok how about we dont lynch me or ace today.
WE LYNCH prp.
YES!
No gg, No skill.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
June 07 2013 01:37 GMT
#682
#Unvote
#Vote Oats


bbl
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
June 07 2013 01:37 GMT
#683
If mafia get cop they can always make this play regardless of the roleblock. Following the red check is a risk especially when the cop role is still around and more checks can increase our certainty.

If Ace flips at any point we will know if we can trust his check. A check of Oats on Ace could increase our certainty since if would confirm or deny the claim and we would be hoping the person checked does not get miller.
Be the Best You Can Be ! Play MAFIA II http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/ II Dragonsound Best Band
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
June 07 2013 01:48 GMT
#684
On June 07 2013 10:34 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 10:26 mkfuba07 wrote:
On June 07 2013 10:00 jaybrundage wrote:
Hmm So Ace claimed cop and Oats came up red. My first reaction is to call bullshit. I mean if mafia got cop then they could bullshit a check at night. If Oats comes up green if we lynch him ace could just fall back on the miller possibility.


But on the other had if ace is green then we should by all means go for it. I just have trouble seeing ace as green.

The worse case scenario being that Ace is town and checks Oats who is town and miller. That would kinda suck.

At the end of the day it depends on who is most likely mafia from whats going on from the thread. Between Oats and Ace i wanna say ace from his last minute vote derail

Not sure it's fair to say ace is scummier for trying to derail the lynch, when oats was doing the same thing. The only difference is that oats was in position to do it before the wagon started going, while ace got apprehensive and pulled out. It's not like oats stopped trying to push ace when rayn was set to be lynched.

When Rayn returned to the thread, I thought he was town.
Ok how about we dont lynch me or ace today.
WE LYNCH prp.
YES!

What would make you think he was town?
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
June 07 2013 01:52 GMT
#685
On June 07 2013 10:37 layabout wrote:
If mafia get cop they can always make this play regardless of the roleblock. Following the red check is a risk especially when the cop role is still around and more checks can increase our certainty.

If Ace flips at any point we will know if we can trust his check. A check of Oats on Ace could increase our certainty since if would confirm or deny the claim and we would be hoping the person checked does not get miller.

This means Ace will never flip unless we do it ourselves, you know. Or I guess if they're both town.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 07 2013 01:58 GMT
#686
On June 07 2013 10:48 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 10:34 Oatsmaster wrote:
On June 07 2013 10:26 mkfuba07 wrote:
On June 07 2013 10:00 jaybrundage wrote:
Hmm So Ace claimed cop and Oats came up red. My first reaction is to call bullshit. I mean if mafia got cop then they could bullshit a check at night. If Oats comes up green if we lynch him ace could just fall back on the miller possibility.


But on the other had if ace is green then we should by all means go for it. I just have trouble seeing ace as green.

The worse case scenario being that Ace is town and checks Oats who is town and miller. That would kinda suck.

At the end of the day it depends on who is most likely mafia from whats going on from the thread. Between Oats and Ace i wanna say ace from his last minute vote derail

Not sure it's fair to say ace is scummier for trying to derail the lynch, when oats was doing the same thing. The only difference is that oats was in position to do it before the wagon started going, while ace got apprehensive and pulled out. It's not like oats stopped trying to push ace when rayn was set to be lynched.

When Rayn returned to the thread, I thought he was town.
Ok how about we dont lynch me or ace today.
WE LYNCH prp.
YES!

What would make you think he was town?

I felt that his general sadness at not being able to play was genuine. Which it probably was, but I was incorrect in associating it with a town mindset.

Kita. I hate you so much.
No gg, No skill.
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
June 07 2013 02:10 GMT
#687
On June 07 2013 10:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 10:37 layabout wrote:
If mafia get cop they can always make this play regardless of the roleblock. Following the red check is a risk especially when the cop role is still around and more checks can increase our certainty.

If Ace flips at any point we will know if we can trust his check. A check of Oats on Ace could increase our certainty since if would confirm or deny the claim and we would be hoping the person checked does not get miller.

This means Ace will never flip unless we do it ourselves, you know. Or I guess if they're both town.

Yeah but lynching either is risky the chance of two town whilst ignoring them grants more checks allowing us to make a better decision. It also reduced the pool of player mafia are likely to shoot at improving the chance of us getting a medic save.

We should lynch somebody else.

I don't think following the cop is the best play to make in this situation. Especially since the correct(okay strong) play for mafia if they get the cop is to claim a red check.
Be the Best You Can Be ! Play MAFIA II http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/ II Dragonsound Best Band
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
June 07 2013 02:12 GMT
#688
On June 07 2013 11:10 layabout wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 10:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
On June 07 2013 10:37 layabout wrote:
If mafia get cop they can always make this play regardless of the roleblock. Following the red check is a risk especially when the cop role is still around and more checks can increase our certainty.

If Ace flips at any point we will know if we can trust his check. A check of Oats on Ace could increase our certainty since if would confirm or deny the claim and we would be hoping the person checked does not get miller.

This means Ace will never flip unless we do it ourselves, you know. Or I guess if they're both town.

Yeah but lynching either is risky the chance of two town whilst ignoring them grants more checks allowing us to make a better decision. It also reduced the pool of player mafia are likely to shoot at improving the chance of us getting a medic save.

We should lynch somebody else.

I don't think following the cop is the best play to make in this situation. Especially since the correct(okay strong) play for mafia if they get the cop is to claim a red check.

I am perfectly fine with this as it fits exactly with the way I'll be playing the day. Either way so long as discussion doesn't solely revolve around Ace/Oats today.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
June 07 2013 02:13 GMT
#689
On June 07 2013 08:08 VayneAuthority wrote:
Leaning towards sentinel being town and oats being scum, but my reads have been trash thus far, probably the worst ever.


Scum seem to have an affinity for me this game.

I just got back and ima take a look at Ace like whatshisname asked me to. I am going to skim tonight and post tomorrow morning. Ta ta

Voting Vayne for right now

##Vote: VayneAuthority
Нас зовет дух отцов, память старых бойцов, дух Москвы и твердыня Полтавы
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 07 2013 02:13 GMT
#690
On June 07 2013 11:10 layabout wrote:

We should lynch somebody else.

Who?
No gg, No skill.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
June 07 2013 02:16 GMT
#691
On June 07 2013 09:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 09:27 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On June 07 2013 09:18 Oatsmaster wrote:
On June 07 2013 09:06 JarJarDrinks wrote:

Good Job Ace. He actually had changed my mind somewhat overnight so I'm glad you checked him.

Where/how?
Because you were agreeing w/ me about Sent and his scumslip. I was pretty convinced that Sent was scum and would almost surely be voting him now if Ace hadn't caught you. But now I see that you were sheeping me because my read was off. Or perhaps you were bussing but I think that's way less likely @ this point.

ummmmm?

So I was looking townier and townier and BAM COP CHECK YOU MUST BE RED!

That doesnt make much sense JJD.
Yep.

Just taking the #s into account. Odds of mafia getting cop are so much less then then town getting cop.

Then, I fail to see a reason for a scum Ace to lie here. Just to get a single mislych? How is that a good scum play? Scum gets a blue role and THAT's how they try to utilize it?

And then there's the fact that I think you look alot scummier than Ace. I may have started to doubt my initial scumread on you, but I've never had a scumread on Ace
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
June 07 2013 02:18 GMT
#692
Oh yeah forgot about Vayne. Haven't done any diving yet but I feel like I don't know what to do about him.
He did more to help town as scum than he's doing this game.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
June 07 2013 02:19 GMT
#693
I like a 50 --> 100 percent chance of scum better than anything on the board right now but if anyone has a better plan then by all means.

It's critical to get scum down to 2 ASAP because it brings down KP to 1 so I really don't see how we can lynch outside of ace/oats.
I come in for the scraps
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
June 07 2013 02:20 GMT
#694
On June 07 2013 11:19 VayneAuthority wrote:
I like a 50 --> 100 percent chance of scum better than anything on the board right now but if anyone has a better plan then by all means.

It's critical to get scum down to 2 ASAP because it brings down KP to 1 so I really don't see how we can lynch outside of ace/oats.

Because it's possible they're both town you derp.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 07 2013 02:21 GMT
#695
On June 07 2013 11:16 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 09:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
On June 07 2013 09:27 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On June 07 2013 09:18 Oatsmaster wrote:
On June 07 2013 09:06 JarJarDrinks wrote:

Good Job Ace. He actually had changed my mind somewhat overnight so I'm glad you checked him.

Where/how?
Because you were agreeing w/ me about Sent and his scumslip. I was pretty convinced that Sent was scum and would almost surely be voting him now if Ace hadn't caught you. But now I see that you were sheeping me because my read was off. Or perhaps you were bussing but I think that's way less likely @ this point.

ummmmm?

So I was looking townier and townier and BAM COP CHECK YOU MUST BE RED!

That doesnt make much sense JJD.
Yep.

Just taking the #s into account. Odds of mafia getting cop are so much less then then town getting cop.

Not a point.

Then, I fail to see a reason for a scum Ace to lie here. Just to get a single mislych? How is that a good scum play? Scum gets a blue role and THAT's how they try to utilize it?

He can just say, OH MILLER MY BAD.
And cause its 1 shot night roles, he doesnt have to explain why he is alive or not roleblocked or whatever.
You understand?
1 reason why I think Ace is scum its cause he isnt addressing the scum side of possibly claiming cop in this setup AT all. Thats bad. Thats really bad.


And then there's the fact that I think you look alot scummier than Ace. I may have started to doubt my initial scumread on you, but I've never had a scumread on Ace

you're wrong about me.
Maybe you are wrong about Ace too.
No gg, No skill.
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
June 07 2013 02:22 GMT
#696
On June 07 2013 11:20 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 11:19 VayneAuthority wrote:
I like a 50 --> 100 percent chance of scum better than anything on the board right now but if anyone has a better plan then by all means.

It's critical to get scum down to 2 ASAP because it brings down KP to 1 so I really don't see how we can lynch outside of ace/oats.

Because it's possible they're both town you derp.


An insanely small chance. (Which I guess would fit this game so far)
I come in for the scraps
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
June 07 2013 02:23 GMT
#697
On June 07 2013 11:20 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 11:19 VayneAuthority wrote:
I like a 50 --> 100 percent chance of scum better than anything on the board right now but if anyone has a better plan then by all means.

It's critical to get scum down to 2 ASAP because it brings down KP to 1 so I really don't see how we can lynch outside of ace/oats.

Because it's possible they're both town you derp.


Vayne is correct. We 100% lynch between one of the two to reduce the kp.

bbl.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 07 2013 02:23 GMT
#698
On June 07 2013 11:22 VayneAuthority wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 11:20 WaveofShadow wrote:
On June 07 2013 11:19 VayneAuthority wrote:
I like a 50 --> 100 percent chance of scum better than anything on the board right now but if anyone has a better plan then by all means.

It's critical to get scum down to 2 ASAP because it brings down KP to 1 so I really don't see how we can lynch outside of ace/oats.

Because it's possible they're both town you derp.


An insanely small chance. (Which I guess would fit this game so far)

So out of me and Ace, who do you wanna lynch?
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 07 2013 02:23 GMT
#699
On June 07 2013 11:23 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 11:20 WaveofShadow wrote:
On June 07 2013 11:19 VayneAuthority wrote:
I like a 50 --> 100 percent chance of scum better than anything on the board right now but if anyone has a better plan then by all means.

It's critical to get scum down to 2 ASAP because it brings down KP to 1 so I really don't see how we can lynch outside of ace/oats.

Because it's possible they're both town you derp.


Vayne is correct. We 100% lynch between one of the two to reduce the kp.

bbl.


TALK ABOUT WHICH ONE IS BETTER DUMBASS.
No gg, No skill.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
June 07 2013 02:24 GMT
#700
On June 07 2013 11:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 11:23 kitaman27 wrote:
On June 07 2013 11:20 WaveofShadow wrote:
On June 07 2013 11:19 VayneAuthority wrote:
I like a 50 --> 100 percent chance of scum better than anything on the board right now but if anyone has a better plan then by all means.

It's critical to get scum down to 2 ASAP because it brings down KP to 1 so I really don't see how we can lynch outside of ace/oats.

Because it's possible they're both town you derp.


Vayne is correct. We 100% lynch between one of the two to reduce the kp.

bbl.


TALK ABOUT WHICH ONE IS BETTER DUMBASS.


Make me.

Were you serious about wanting to lynch prpl?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
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