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On June 07 2013 06:53 Umasi wrote:
What, specifically, is suspicious of me Xzav?
What can I try to explain?
well for one, the fact that your totally ignoring the posts i just made, and trying to force discussion on the self preservation one, not on the HOLY FUCK THATS SUSPICIOUS one.
I actually see you made a few posts about it. But thats something that i want to push him on. There is no Town Motivated reason for lynching me. Get rid of one of the most active townies that is pushing the game foward for town? Thats a mafia goal. Not a town goal.
Your appearing far less scummy then the little we have seen of gotard so far. But honestly.
##Vote: Gotard
This is simply just illogical. If Gotard provides actual reasoning that he can stand on for accusing me of being scum, then he needs to share it and if i think it could give him ANY reason to be suspicious. Then ill remove this vote. But right now its pretty obvious that the town is happy with me.
[+ Show Spoiler +QUOTE] On June 07 2013 07:01 Gotard wrote:On June 07 2013 06:35 Umasi wrote:
When why would you NOT lynch me, or firere, or someone else who is objectively more scummy?
You are fist on my list  and Xzavier was 2nd and i expressed my doubts about him in the same sentence I accused him. 2nd vote doesn't matter much if you only have one. It was like "if you are a scum he might be one as well". On June 07 2013 06:35 Umasi wrote:
It doesn't matter if you think he was too quick to team up with me, that's not actually relevant here.
If he's a pro town influence, why consider him as a lynch over others? It's relevant if someone rushes to join someone else's accusations it might mean that he isn't townie. Few pro town posts during first day dosn't mean that guy is innocence. You can never be 100% sure who is who and you can throw random votes on people if you have even one small reason. I know I've made some big mistakes and I hope you won't lynch me today PS unfortunately I have to go to sleep. See you later today (00:01 in EU ).
So, your meaning to say that because i didnt refresh my page before i posted that im scum? and that because we think hes scum im guilty by association? This is a game full of unkowns. I didnt ever even consider myself working with him, i dont think i used any of the points he brought up, always made my own. and he quoted ME far more than i him (if i did at all lol)
even if its 00:01, this might be a omfg i need to stop posting and hope this blows over so the conversation shifts away from me. Very very suspicious time to go to sleep (not the actuall time on the clock, but when the topic starts pointing at you)
as for the bolded part, thats a mafia mistake, not a town mistake. a town wouldnt have a reason to put me on a list of people to lynch.
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Does not compute. A few pro town posts don't necessarily mean he is innocent, but it sure as hell does mean that he shouldn't be your #2 lynch when you cant say a bad point about him (I've already explained why the connection theory is silly).
Using the reasoning that "You can never be 100% sure who is who" to justify wanting to lynch someone who you had a townread on is just nonsensical.
I'm very happy with where my vote is today.
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xzav, just looking through the filter relatively quickly reveals that neither of us actually quoted or used each others arguments at all. Literally at all. We just both talked about the same person, but it's not like I sheeped your argument or you sheeped mine. What this says about Gotard, I'm not sure, I think he's getting confused and misunderstood what happened there, but the more I think about it the scummier it feels, but I don't think I could build something concrete off of it, just suspicions. I haven't found something that is blatantly scum motivated in his posts.
And it is suspicious that he just logged when the pressure was on, it's possible he just needed to sleep!
Basically I haven't consolidated my views on him, but he is playing in a scummy fashion, and doing scummy things, similar to how I posted a scummy list, but it doesn't necessarily mean he's SCUM.
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i want to see him squeal on a pike if he starts accusing other pro town posters of being mafia with no proof. accuse the people who have spearheaded moving the thread in a positive direction, the direction that will lead to catching mafia. The guy who does that must be mafia right? logic pls.
(i should probably say this at the same time so things dont get misunderstood, but him having Umasi at #1 was correct and logically acceptable. But him having me at #2 and saying i attacked the same person as #1 did, therefor im scum. That isnt logical. and thats why he has my vote)
ofc now obviously, until things change. Gotard has my vote.
+ Show Spoiler +/////And a bit of heads up that i should have posted before the game started, im schuelded to work from 2-8 pm tomorrow(i work part time at kroger, but i might be getting fired tomorrow. long story, im not wasting space in this thread about it) , and i think voting ends at 8 pm for me. So my final vote is gonna be sent 2 or 3 hours prior to it (cuz of a break) just so people wonder why i stop posting as it gets closer and closer to the end. just a heads up.////
Gotard, id love to hear your answer in the morning.
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I can't see past the newb to discern scum on this one yet. It's a really weird choice for number 2 lynch preference. A paranoid choice, maybe.
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Vote SlaveCount
LoneMeow (0): Umasi
Skanjab1s (1): iVLosK!
iVLosK! (0): Xzavier, Umasi
Spicydinosaur (0): Skanjab1s
Firere345 (1): Spicydinosaur, Skanjab1s
Gotard (2): Skanjab1s, Xzavier
Not Voting: Onegu, tE_, Firere345, StiMaDDicT. fferyllt, Gotard, Yavanna, Umasi, LoneMeow
Gotard is currently set to be lynched. Voting is mandatory. This is a plurality lynch.
The deadline is at [unparsable timestamp format], in [unparsable timestamp format]
If there's a mistake, let me know!
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Well. It's been 24 hours, I am going to monitor the situation with Gotard, but for now I'm going to stick my vote on Stimm. I had the dumbest rationale for picking a vote in my first game. The guy had used his name but excluded all the vowels, (brndnstffrd). I was town, and I voted for him. Because he was a vowel hater. Not a joke.
##Unvote
##Vote: StimmAddict
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On June 06 2013 15:15 LoneMeow wrote:Why? Make a case if you have a good read. I'm tempted to disagree though. Yes, iVLosK! is somewhat abrasive and irritating with his attitude, but that's not really alignment indicative.
Tempted.
What is your read on iV?
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If someone is mod killed will there be an attempt to replace them?
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On June 07 2013 10:49 Spicydinosaur wrote:
If someone is mod killed will there be an attempt to replace them?
On June 06 2013 13:22 Acrofales wrote:Hopefully I won't have to modkill. If it is necessary, I may or may not replace, depending on situation, availability of replacements, etc. etc.
As a general rule, I suggest you focus on playing the game, rather than worrying about modkills
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Obviously kushmasta is number 1 replacement if anyone gets modkilled, he has an affinity for newbie games 
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The game was hopping this time last night. Where the hell is everybody?
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On June 07 2013 07:09 Xzavier wrote:
even if its 00:01, this might be a omfg i need to stop posting and hope this blows over so the conversation shifts away from me. Very very suspicious time to go to sleep (not the actuall time on the clock, but when the topic starts pointing at you)
It's good reason to go to sleep when you need to wake up at 5 am  . There was no reason for conversation to shifts away over night without me posting unless someone would benefit from that. I have to go now and I will be back in 8 hours or so.
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Gotard is scum, and his posts go against logic and are anti-town.
let me show you why: (i took his only posts with content)
This is the first post he made once the game started.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 07 2013 02:25 Gotard wrote:After reading everything twice I've came with conclusion that some of you are far from being newbies like me (or you are just really good at pretending which is even worse if you are aren't townies T_T). All in all after some hardcore analysis (aka reading) I sadly do know nothing . Xzavier seemed to be a scum (after following Umasi's accusations) but then he had some awesome pro-town posts. What to do!? What to do!?
I crossed out the fluff
he says two things in this post:
A) his hardcore analysis is shit (it gave him nothing, how do you pick up ZERO vibes/reads when 2 people are flinging shit at somebody)
B) i (Xzavier) seem to be scum, but then gives contradicting evidence, he claims i "followed" Umasi's accusations, then instead of pushing his read, he states that I've been making pro-town posts. so he thinks i'm scum, but then settles into the fact that everybody else has been saying otherwise so he backs off, because he didn't want to draw attention to himself.
A says hes a bad townie/not pro-town.
B says hes scum
Compliment this on the fact that hes been minimally posting, the few posts he has made are pretty scummy. he targeted me from his first post, on very little footing.
Id also like to point out that im his #1 scumread.
This post is the one that caused all the shit to fall on his head.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 07 2013 05:40 Gotard wrote:
If i had to vote now i would lynch you or Xzavier but a the same time it's way too risky to kill the most active (potential) allies.
AFTER people say, "why Xzaver?" i suddenly become the #2 scumread(what happened to #1? oh, we should probably put who everybody else has expressed FoS for at that point:Umasi at #1, go with the flow ect) What? So evidently he still believes I'm scum, okay: any more/new evidence I'm scum? no. He however DOES repeat his same action of indecisive posting. The person i would lynch if somebody forced me to make a decision right now is the same person i think is too risky to kill. AND he tries to fit in with everybody else while still mentioning my name.
that's him faking contribution again, posting even scummier things.
When asked for more contribution: (being compared to the two people who havnt posted yet)
+ Show Spoiler +On June 07 2013 05:30 Umasi wrote:
Gotard, what's the difference in contributions between you and those two? All I really understand from your first post is that you're new and feel inferior.
I'm new and feel inferior, but have tried to do what I can, even if it's bad!
So say what's on your mind! On June 07 2013 05:34 Gotard wrote:
Math dosn't lie I have like infinity times more posts.
He makes a one-liner defense. Somebody should go define contribute for him.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 07 2013 07:01 Gotard wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 06:35 Umasi wrote:
When why would you NOT lynch me, or firere, or someone else who is objectively more scummy?
You are fist on my list and Xzavier was 2nd and i expressed my doubts about him in the same sentence I accused him. 2nd vote doesn't matter much if you only have one. It was like "if you are a scum he might be one as well". Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 06:35 Umasi wrote:
It doesn't matter if you think he was too quick to team up with me, that's not actually relevant here.
If he's a pro town influence, why consider him as a lynch over others? It's relevant if someone rushes to join someone else's accusations it might mean that he isn't townie. Few pro town posts during first day dosn't mean that guy is innocence. You can never be 100% sure who is who and you can throw random votes on people if you have even one small reason. I know I've made some big mistakes and I hope you won't lynch me today PS unfortunately I have to go to sleep. See you later today (00:01 in EU ).
Him having Umasi as his biggest scumread is the only logical part about him iv seen this game. Because it made sense. but i also would like to point out that this isn't new content. He was simply concurring with things others have said about being suspicious of Umasi. So his only logical point is something he took from other people. T.T
Then he goes on to try to continue to attack me subtly and honestly i have no idea why hes including it. "if you are a scum he might be one as well". might be the stupidest thing iv read. Well, since your scum, and you two had a common enemy, hes scum. No proof, no effort put into this. just a "hey heres contribution you asked for" which obviously is bullshits. and he didnt even bother trying to find/quote ANYTHING iv said or posted, in all of his accusations.
He tries to defend himself by attacking me, i believe he said"Few pro town posts during first day dosn't mean that guy is innocence." And yes, i agree. but Pro-Town posts certainly mean your a lot more likely to be town, and if you continue making them then its a good chance that you are town. from the way I've been playing most (if not all) of the people have realized that i am Town. Pro-town posting also helping the town. If your scum making pro-town posts, inevitably you will lead them straight to you. or they will notice that you stop. Its literally impossible to hold the charade of biggest town poster as mafia for any duration of time. You need to look at more than a "few pro town posts" or simply go read my filter then decide for yourself if im scum or town. Most people here have done that and said Town, id love it if you would quote what you have that explains why im not town- oh wait, your just saying it. nothing to back it up. no analysis. in fact instead of analysis you plead not to be killed. That was smart.
if you know you have made some mistakes, and you know what those mistakes are, then you know the simply thing you have to do in order to remedy them is just post content! but for some reason you dont want to post constructive content, my explanation: your scum. i havnt seen any other given reason for your behavior.
then. to top it all off. You say please don't kill me before you even have 3 votes on you(which is pretty shockingly weak of a defense, especially when you only have a few votes. somebody defended himself with 2 votes on him by being an asshole. your answer, saying please lol)
even if it was pretty fucking inconvient that you had to sleep then. you could have said you had work at 5 am. The point still stands thats it LOOKS scummy true or not, and even if that was because of that. I think i outlined enough evidence that your neck should be in a noose at the end of the day.
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Sheep Gotard
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On June 07 2013 02:48 Umasi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 23:15 Onegu wrote:On June 06 2013 22:40 Yavanna wrote:On June 06 2013 21:55 Onegu wrote:
Skanjab what is your biggest problem with spicydino is he has had good post on the lurker issue, I am getting a town vibe from him. The strongest read I have is on iVlosk as town t this point, but a wish he would curse less. xzav is also giving me a very strong town vibe. Umasi is my only scummy read as he fueled the iV rant even after it most likely should have been moved on from it. Also the whole brocuff thing. Also what are your guys thought on finding a serial killer? Could you explain this a little further to me? Make believe I have a mental handicap because I don't really see how Umasi's behavior was anti-town. I got more of a bruised ego vibe than anything. I'm open to discussion on it though. Can you add anything to your case that might sway me? In other news, I'm trying to discern atm about LoneMeow. He had some input on the lurker lynch issue but since he's just asked a couple questions without any real opinions of his own. Thoughts? Ok 2 things the first he kept the iV thing going on alot lomger than it needed to be. Secomd and the thing that made me feel the most was he would make a statement and when the majority had different ideals he would conform to them. This is what feels like he is scum. If I were scum, why would I stay on this train of thought longer than I needed to? It's obviously only drawn attention to myself and basically confirmed iV as town to everyone else. Why is it scummy to stick on it like that? And I conform to the majority because if everyone else thinks something about the situation, and I'm here thinking something different, but enough people disagree that they can't all be mafia, I realize that I'm probably mistaken and should reevaluate the situation! Would you prefer I keep tunneling him? Even when it's blatantly counterproductive at that point?
But you did keep going. And that is the point anything counterproductive is good for scum. And if you are right why conform just make better arguements dont just conform on everything.
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I like it.
##Unvote
##Vote: Gotard
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The "why would I...?" Argument doesn't work because its completely dependent on you telling us what your actions mean and what your motivations are.
If I had replied to your early game pressure with "Why would I so clearly not give a fuck as scum?" I'd probably be the lynch. And I'd deserve it. Because its an awful defense. And it makes me want to lynch you.
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##VOTE GOTARD
You have me convinced, but I'm going to reread his filter and see if I can find anything to add/conflict with your argument, and going to try to avoid confirmation biasing my way through it
In other words: You're probably right, but I want to make sure on my own.
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On June 07 2013 13:46 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 02:48 Umasi wrote:On June 06 2013 23:15 Onegu wrote:On June 06 2013 22:40 Yavanna wrote:On June 06 2013 21:55 Onegu wrote:
Skanjab what is your biggest problem with spicydino is he has had good post on the lurker issue, I am getting a town vibe from him. The strongest read I have is on iVlosk as town t this point, but a wish he would curse less. xzav is also giving me a very strong town vibe. Umasi is my only scummy read as he fueled the iV rant even after it most likely should have been moved on from it. Also the whole brocuff thing. Also what are your guys thought on finding a serial killer? Could you explain this a little further to me? Make believe I have a mental handicap because I don't really see how Umasi's behavior was anti-town. I got more of a bruised ego vibe than anything. I'm open to discussion on it though. Can you add anything to your case that might sway me? In other news, I'm trying to discern atm about LoneMeow. He had some input on the lurker lynch issue but since he's just asked a couple questions without any real opinions of his own. Thoughts? Ok 2 things the first he kept the iV thing going on alot lomger than it needed to be. Secomd and the thing that made me feel the most was he would make a statement and when the majority had different ideals he would conform to them. This is what feels like he is scum. If I were scum, why would I stay on this train of thought longer than I needed to? It's obviously only drawn attention to myself and basically confirmed iV as town to everyone else. Why is it scummy to stick on it like that? And I conform to the majority because if everyone else thinks something about the situation, and I'm here thinking something different, but enough people disagree that they can't all be mafia, I realize that I'm probably mistaken and should reevaluate the situation! Would you prefer I keep tunneling him? Even when it's blatantly counterproductive at that point? But you did keep going. And that is the point anything counterproductive is good for scum. And if you are right why conform just make better arguements dont just conform on everything.
right now i think Umasi is a bad townie. that or REALLY bad scum. but at the moment he hasnt done all that much to convince me he isnt a bad town. id love for your opinion on my case onegu?
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If I could lynch 3 people in order right now:
Gotard
Umasi
That guy whose name is like frefre or something. I dunno.
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