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iVLosK!
Profile Joined December 2012
Djibouti545 Posts
June 07 2013 04:55 GMT
#561
EBWOP: firere
Gut verloren, etwas verloren; Ehre verloren, viel verloren; Mut verloren, alles verloren.
Xzavier
Profile Joined January 2013
United States393 Posts
June 07 2013 05:02 GMT
#562
Honestly.
my reads for scum go like this as of right now
my #1 is Gotard (no shit)
thats the only one im certain of right now.
and thats who we should lynch day1.

The people i want to look into are: (in no order)
stim addict
Umasi
Firere345
spicy dinosaur guy
lonemeow

with the bottom two on that list being the people i have the least of a read on.
Mafia :D
Umasi
Profile Joined October 2012
United States1399 Posts
June 07 2013 05:20 GMT
#563
On June 07 2013 07:01 Gotard wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 06:35 Umasi wrote:
When why would you NOT lynch me, or firere, or someone else who is objectively more scummy?


You are fist on my list and Xzavier was 2nd and i expressed my doubts about him in the same sentence I accused him. 2nd vote doesn't matter much if you only have one. It was like "if you are a scum he might be one as well".

Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 06:35 Umasi wrote:
It doesn't matter if you think he was too quick to team up with me, that's not actually relevant here.
If he's a pro town influence, why consider him as a lynch over others?

It's relevant if someone rushes to join someone else's accusations it might mean that he isn't townie. Few pro town posts during first day dosn't mean that guy is innocence. You can never be 100% sure who is who and you can throw random votes on people if you have even one small reason. I know I've made some big mistakes and I hope you won't lynch me today

PS unfortunately I have to go to sleep. See you later today (00:01 in EU ).

Like, what kind of big mistake could he have made? I don't think we ever said things to convince him xzav was super townie, how did he recognize it as a mistake? did he think it was a mistake to provoke town sentiment against him, by giving a post that turned out to be counterproductive?

And it doesn't matter at all who he would lynch, it matters who he is going to lynch, and there are PLENTY of options. If I'm the scummiest to him, he should damn well vote me. Just because I could be an active townie does not mean that killing me as a #1 scum read is a bad idea, because an active scum is BAD.
"Sir, we finally have enough corpses to serve as a ramp for your horse." "THEN LET THE REAPING BEGIN!!"
Umasi
Profile Joined October 2012
United States1399 Posts
June 07 2013 05:20 GMT
#564
ebwop: My post got cut off, I messed up the quote and forgot to preview craaaap going to go back and rewrite it
"Sir, we finally have enough corpses to serve as a ramp for your horse." "THEN LET THE REAPING BEGIN!!"
Umasi
Profile Joined October 2012
United States1399 Posts
June 07 2013 05:23 GMT
#565
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=147475
I think we can draw parallels between Gotard and Misder that are not trivial:
Ver:
Newer mafia players will try to emphasize their inexperience as a way of overcompensating.


Gotard:
After reading everything twice I've came with conclusion that some of you are far from being newbies like me

Like, right from the fucking get go.
And he acknowledges that he made a mistake (see above), which I take as basically apologizing. Why would he apologize? For holding a contrary read?
"Sir, we finally have enough corpses to serve as a ramp for your horse." "THEN LET THE REAPING BEGIN!!"
Umasi
Profile Joined October 2012
United States1399 Posts
June 07 2013 05:25 GMT
#566
He doesn't need to fake contribute by saying who he WOULD lynch, I think he should contribute by actually voting someone, compared to hazy indecisiveness.
"Sir, we finally have enough corpses to serve as a ramp for your horse." "THEN LET THE REAPING BEGIN!!"
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
June 07 2013 05:26 GMT
#567
On June 07 2013 02:58 fferyllt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2013 15:08 Onegu wrote:
I think it is apperant that ivlosk is town at this point. I dont uderstand why you keep saying he is scum. I also dont get why making a list of observations is useful at this point when over half of the people havent posted yet.

When you made this post, what made you think it was apparent that iV was town?


Looking at what make someone motivated to do what he was doing at that point made me feel he was just starting something to get reads on people, then his responses while vulgar were more town than scum. About this same time you said he was town also. Also xzav also. I shouldnt have said apperent but I had a very heavy town read at that point and I belive most others did also, this is why I did not understand umasi just going on with his scum read on iV.
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Firere345
Profile Joined May 2012
United States12 Posts
June 07 2013 05:28 GMT
#568
sorry for it being over 24 hours since my last post. I went to sleep right after my last post and have spent all my free time catching up today(which wasn't much). Fortunately, tonight was my last night of having prior commitments, so I will be much more active.

To meow, who asked my opinion of Vlosk a few pages back, he's obv not my top scum read atm, but engaging shitfests isn't the towniest thing to do. As for my current reads, though, Xzav is the only one who would make me really surprize dto flip scum.
Umasi and Gotard don't have any defense against their accusations, so I find it hard to not be biased by thecurrent town consensus. Gut says both bad, Umasi town, Gotard maf, if only for lynching the one guy who we all should agree is mister town.

As for the jester question, the forum I used to play on was very inconsistent. The OP would only state basic roles, yet there would end up being bus drivers or phychics as flips, so I just wanted to make sure that Jest was not a role and that we wouldn't give up a day 1 loss to a jester.
Umasi
Profile Joined October 2012
United States1399 Posts
June 07 2013 05:43 GMT
#569
Firere, I don't even know what I'm fucking ACCUSED of, and if someone would spell it out, I'd be happy to comply with their demands. Gotard IS aware of what he was accused of, and has not complied.
"Sir, we finally have enough corpses to serve as a ramp for your horse." "THEN LET THE REAPING BEGIN!!"
Umasi
Profile Joined October 2012
United States1399 Posts
June 07 2013 05:43 GMT
#570
On June 06 2013 16:19 Umasi wrote:
That's the thing, he felt so abrasive it was hard for him to be scum, but backing down and being like "he's probably town" is annoying, because I feel like he'll bring it up again pointlessly, merely to spite me. And my gut instinct then will be to say "he's mafia!!!!" which is WRONG. And it's BAD for him to do that.
regardless.
The first thing was his preemptive reasoning, which I took as an excuse, and still kind of do. there's nothing for him to be afraid of if he's town, so it's kinda scummy! Might as well talk about it.
When he comes back and tells us to vote on him, I couldn't think of any possible fucking reason other than "he's stirring the pot, and that's scummy." Apparently, it was to generate discussion, but I still don't know why he'd go back and bring it up again in the manner that he did. It felt like he was just drilling it in that he wasn't giving an excuse (and I still think that he FUCKING WAS, because it gives him reasoning to fall back on, and quickly assuages peoples doubts of him, but that doesn't make him mafia).
When Xzav pulled off of him, I don't know why he kept poking me to go at him. That's stupid! Why would he want me to stay on him? That's....bad. It means my vote is on the wrong person. This confused me.
And threatening to lynch me if my list of reads was unsatisfactory is stupid if he's done fuck all anyway.


What really makes me feel he's town though is that he says he's abrasive for shits and giggles, because it fits in with the way he'd been playing, because he never felt antagonistic, just trolly, which isn't necessarily scum.

I think that made sense.

Also, iV, me wasting my vote isn't your FAULT, but it sure as shit is your CONCERN, because you want scum lynched.

If it is related to the entire me on iV thing, I think I talked through my thought process relatively well, and if that leaves questions unanswered, I'll comply.
"Sir, we finally have enough corpses to serve as a ramp for your horse." "THEN LET THE REAPING BEGIN!!"
Umasi
Profile Joined October 2012
United States1399 Posts
June 07 2013 05:47 GMT
#571
Also, Firere, to me it looks like you just came in, promised to be more active, pointed out something that everyone has pointed out, and given an excuse for asking the jester question. Thank you for explaining the jester question! That said, if you AREN'T more active in the future, it's going to be annoying as shit.
So please be more active in the future.
"Sir, we finally have enough corpses to serve as a ramp for your horse." "THEN LET THE REAPING BEGIN!!"
Umasi
Profile Joined October 2012
United States1399 Posts
June 07 2013 05:49 GMT
#572
I'm going to bed, good night.
Everyone look into Gotard who hasn't, form your own opinion of him, or happily sheep xzav
But no seriously, form your own opinion on him
"Sir, we finally have enough corpses to serve as a ramp for your horse." "THEN LET THE REAPING BEGIN!!"
Umasi
Profile Joined October 2012
United States1399 Posts
June 07 2013 05:51 GMT
#573
Actually no, totally sheep Xzav, because he's (gotard is) friggen suspicious
"Sir, we finally have enough corpses to serve as a ramp for your horse." "THEN LET THE REAPING BEGIN!!"
Xzavier
Profile Joined January 2013
United States393 Posts
June 07 2013 06:03 GMT
#574
Umasi, try to condense y our posts. 5 in a row is a bit much. just something i thought you might want to do.

your paranoia of this is also a little worrying. You are totally nothing but a noob townie in my mind right now. Who didn't want to be accused of doing the exact same things i was doing with the entire iV situation. you felt you needed to continue the war for the sake of honor. thats the way i saw it. was it right, no. the shit-flinging already served its purpose. you continuing it doesnt mean your scum. it means you just made a few unnecessary posts

your suspicious yes, and thats mostly just because you were doing alot of the same things i was doing, but your not scum to me... yet! (DUHDUHDUHDUN)

honestly your posting without fear which is a good thing(it gives us alot of material to proove your innocents(or being bad, which isnt really a harm), stop being paranoid about why everybody is against you. i think its obvious we know who we should lynch day1 unless somebody has a Freudian slip and screams IM MAFIA.
Mafia :D
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
June 07 2013 06:05 GMT
#575
On June 07 2013 14:49 Umasi wrote:
I'm going to bed, good night.
Everyone look into Gotard who hasn't, form your own opinion of him, or happily sheep xzav
But no seriously, form your own opinion on him


Why make this statement, why say the whole sheep thing. Very mafia for people to sheep. Form your own opinions people dont sheep.

## VOTE Umasi
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
June 07 2013 06:07 GMT
#576
Ebwop

Make bold

## VOTE Umasi
Try TL Mafia!!!
Xzavier
Profile Joined January 2013
United States393 Posts
June 07 2013 06:09 GMT
#577
um, my TLDR was to say sheep. And were killing GOTARD today. i hav no quals to considering lynching Umasi tomorrow. i dont think hes the best of towns, but id rather kill the scum first. does that make sense onegu?
Mafia :D
Xzavier
Profile Joined January 2013
United States393 Posts
June 07 2013 06:10 GMT
#578
BUT YES, i do agree with him. form your own opinions, and post why your voting for him. i gave a bigass reason, yours doesnt need to be anywhere near as large. but it should be enough to convince me your self aware.
Mafia :D
fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
June 07 2013 06:14 GMT
#579
On June 07 2013 13:55 iVLosK! wrote:
If I could lynch 3 people in order right now:

Gotard
Umasi
That guy whose name is like frefre or something. I dunno.

I've read through the latest posts, and am now coming back to reply to stuff.

I disagree on Umasi. He's looking so paranoid he almost has to be town. Also, he's not avoiding suspicions - he wants them on the table so he can deal with them and figure out what he's doing wrong.

There is a player who hasn't looked paranoid at all, though. And that in a newb sets off a few alarms.

I'd like to know if you think someone fits that description or if I'm making mountains from molehills.
Xzavier
Profile Joined January 2013
United States393 Posts
June 07 2013 06:19 GMT
#580
yup, i think Umasi is just noobie town, and he knows it, but he knows by posting so much that it helps town (as long as he isnt straight spamming) and it is fine.

like i said, i think we have a solid lynch today.
Mafia :D
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