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fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
June 07 2013 06:27 GMT
#581
Probably .

I don't want to waste the rest of the game day.
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
June 07 2013 06:28 GMT
#582
On June 07 2013 15:14 fferyllt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 13:55 iVLosK! wrote:
If I could lynch 3 people in order right now:

Gotard
Umasi
That guy whose name is like frefre or something. I dunno.

I've read through the latest posts, and am now coming back to reply to stuff.

I disagree on Umasi. He's looking so paranoid he almost has to be town. Also, he's not avoiding suspicions - he wants them on the table so he can deal with them and figure out what he's doing wrong.

There is a player who hasn't looked paranoid at all, though. And that in a newb sets off a few alarms.

I'd like to know if you think someone fits that description or if I'm making mountains from molehills.



I think he has to be paranoid at this point more than one person has thought him scum. I am thinking gotard may be town, I am not convinced yet. Why does being paranoid point you toward town?
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Xzavier
Profile Joined January 2013
United States393 Posts
June 07 2013 06:37 GMT
#583
Okay, if gotard is town. then why isnt he doing anything to benefit the town? why doesnt he create content?
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fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
June 07 2013 06:37 GMT
#584
On June 07 2013 15:28 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 15:14 fferyllt wrote:
On June 07 2013 13:55 iVLosK! wrote:
If I could lynch 3 people in order right now:

Gotard
Umasi
That guy whose name is like frefre or something. I dunno.

I've read through the latest posts, and am now coming back to reply to stuff.

I disagree on Umasi. He's looking so paranoid he almost has to be town. Also, he's not avoiding suspicions - he wants them on the table so he can deal with them and figure out what he's doing wrong.

There is a player who hasn't looked paranoid at all, though. And that in a newb sets off a few alarms.

I'd like to know if you think someone fits that description or if I'm making mountains from molehills.



I think he has to be paranoid at this point more than one person has thought him scum. I am thinking gotard may be town, I am not convinced yet. Why does being paranoid point you toward town?

Town is the uninformed majority, infiltrated by an informed and hostile minority. Even in seasoned players paranoia can rear its head. In people new to the game it's almost a definitive characteristic.

When a newb town player comes under suspicion it definitely kicks up the paranoia level.
fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
June 07 2013 06:42 GMT
#585
On June 07 2013 15:37 Xzavier wrote:
Okay, if gotard is town. then why isnt he doing anything to benefit the town? why doesnt he create content?

He was jumped on from his first post and every new post just made matters worse. That's not an environment conducive to thoughtful content. I want to see what he has to say when he comes back to the thread. He obviously cared enough about the game to log in and survey the damage at 5-something am his time. That's not alignment indicative, but it is a level of engagement even if the content is sparse.
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
June 07 2013 06:56 GMT
#586
Ok maybe gotard isnt town but I dont have good enough read on him. I just have a stronger feel for umasi being scum. To me he just changes opinons so much and jumps from point to point and person to person so much. maybe he is paranoid but that just makes me think he might be afraid people are on to him.
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LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
June 07 2013 07:25 GMT
#587
Good morning, and sorry for being a bit inactive yesterday, had a rather exciting day IRL.

On June 07 2013 10:14 fferyllt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2013 15:15 LoneMeow wrote:
On June 06 2013 14:59 Umasi wrote:
iVLosK, I think you are scum.


Why? Make a case if you have a good read.

I'm tempted to disagree though. Yes, iVLosK! is somewhat abrasive and irritating with his attitude, but that's not really alignment indicative.


Tempted.

What is your read on iV?


Leaning slightly on town. Sure, he is somewhat abrasive but he was actively driving discussion. Definitely not a top lynch candidate for me right now.

On June 06 2013 22:40 Yavanna wrote:
In other news, I'm trying to discern atm about LoneMeow. He had some input on the lurker lynch issue but since he's just asked a couple questions without any real opinions of his own. Thoughts?


I was thinking of pushing you a bit after this, because when you posted this you hadn't stated any real opinions of your own besides sucking up to Xzavier, however your later posts are better so I'm okay with it for now.

On June 07 2013 15:14 fferyllt wrote:
There is a player who hasn't looked paranoid at all, though. And that in a newb sets off a few alarms.

I'd like to know if you think someone fits that description or if I'm making mountains from molehills.


This I don't like at all. Looks a lot like trying to fish for an opinion to sheep on when you don't state who you actually suspect, and that I find rather scummy.
Xzavier
Profile Joined January 2013
United States393 Posts
June 07 2013 07:34 GMT
#588
Lonemeow what do you think of gotard and my case against him?
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
June 07 2013 07:38 GMT
#589
On June 07 2013 16:25 LoneMeow wrote:
Good morning, and sorry for being a bit inactive yesterday, had a rather exciting day IRL.

Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 10:14 fferyllt wrote:
On June 06 2013 15:15 LoneMeow wrote:
On June 06 2013 14:59 Umasi wrote:
iVLosK, I think you are scum.


Why? Make a case if you have a good read.

I'm tempted to disagree though. Yes, iVLosK! is somewhat abrasive and irritating with his attitude, but that's not really alignment indicative.


Tempted.

What is your read on iV?


Leaning slightly on town. Sure, he is somewhat abrasive but he was actively driving discussion. Definitely not a top lynch candidate for me right now.

Show nested quote +
On June 06 2013 22:40 Yavanna wrote:
In other news, I'm trying to discern atm about LoneMeow. He had some input on the lurker lynch issue but since he's just asked a couple questions without any real opinions of his own. Thoughts?


I was thinking of pushing you a bit after this, because when you posted this you hadn't stated any real opinions of your own besides sucking up to Xzavier, however your later posts are better so I'm okay with it for now.

Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 15:14 fferyllt wrote:
There is a player who hasn't looked paranoid at all, though. And that in a newb sets off a few alarms.

I'd like to know if you think someone fits that description or if I'm making mountains from molehills.


This I don't like at all. Looks a lot like trying to fish for an opinion to sheep on when you don't state who you actually suspect, and that I find rather scummy.



I think you are right with the last part say who are what you are thinking dont just fish for ideas.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
June 07 2013 07:40 GMT
#590
Ebwop

Say who or what you are thinking dont just fish for ideas.
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LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
June 07 2013 10:05 GMT
#591
On June 07 2013 16:34 Xzavier wrote:
Lonemeow what do you think of gotard and my case against him?


Gotard's posts are extremely weird, jumping in and straight away pushing lynch on you who most seem to find the strongest town read at the moment. Even weirder that he's pushing his second best scum read instead of the best. On the other hand, this is such a suicidal move that it makes me wonder if scum would dare do something like that.

Your case on him seems pretty good, but I still worry that he might be just overeager townie since as said, the move seems too suicidal for scum to dare try. I'm fine with lyching him if he doesn't provide better input, though.
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
June 07 2013 10:19 GMT
#592
Lonemeow what is your strongest scum read at this point? I would also ask yavanna the same thing.
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LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
June 07 2013 11:59 GMT
#593
On June 07 2013 19:19 Onegu wrote:
Lonemeow what is your strongest scum read at this point? I would also ask yavanna the same thing.


It's not really a strong scum read at all, but right now I'd want to lynch Firere345. Doesn't say much, sheeps the current "consensus". Promises to participate more but doesn't seem to be doing so.

This situation with Gotard has me worried, I can understand why people would want to lynch him but I'm having hard time convincing myself scum would dare be so brash.
Spicydinosaur
Profile Joined April 2013
United States382 Posts
June 07 2013 12:39 GMT
#594
On June 07 2013 14:28 Firere345 wrote:
sorry for it being over 24 hours since my last post. I went to sleep right after my last post and have spent all my free time catching up today(which wasn't much). Fortunately, tonight was my last night of having prior commitments, so I will be much more active.

To meow, who asked my opinion of Vlosk a few pages back, he's obv not my top scum read atm, but engaging shitfests isn't the towniest thing to do. As for my current reads, though, Xzav is the only one who would make me really surprize dto flip scum.
Umasi and Gotard don't have any defense against their accusations, so I find it hard to not be biased by thecurrent town consensus. Gut says both bad, Umasi town, Gotard maf, if only for lynching the one guy who we all should agree is mister town.

As for the jester question, the forum I used to play on was very inconsistent. The OP would only state basic roles, yet there would end up being bus drivers or phychics as flips, so I just wanted to make sure that Jest was not a role and that we wouldn't give up a day 1 loss to a jester.


So scummy. Makes excuses for his absence, then promises more analysis that never came and simply sheeps other's opinion. Vote is staying on him.
fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
June 07 2013 12:44 GMT
#595
On June 07 2013 16:40 Onegu wrote:
Ebwop

Say who or what you are thinking dont just fish for ideas.

The person I am thinking about is Yavannah.

Her posts did get better after I pushed her a little yesterday. As I was driving home last night and thinking about the game I was trying to figure out what it is about her play that still bothers me. And I realized it was the contrast with some of the other players who said they are new to the game. She seems so sure of her town reads.
Spicydinosaur
Profile Joined April 2013
United States382 Posts
June 07 2013 12:52 GMT
#596
I don't think Gotard is scum, just a very newb townie. His posts are completely lacking in self confidence and he gives the minimalist of readings on Xzavier and Umasi. His thoughts can be boiled down to "I'm really confused as to who may be mafia but if I had to take a guess I think its Xzavier or Umasi because i think i saw some sheeping going on." But the thing that makes him townie.... he doesn't change his story when pressed. He defends it, knowing he's in a tight spot. If he were scum I'd expect him to back down or change in some way. But he keeps at it... he's not typing some smartly conceived thought, but his gut reactions. Thats more town indicating than scum.
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
June 07 2013 12:54 GMT
#597
On June 07 2013 21:39 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 14:28 Firere345 wrote:
sorry for it being over 24 hours since my last post. I went to sleep right after my last post and have spent all my free time catching up today(which wasn't much). Fortunately, tonight was my last night of having prior commitments, so I will be much more active.

To meow, who asked my opinion of Vlosk a few pages back, he's obv not my top scum read atm, but engaging shitfests isn't the towniest thing to do. As for my current reads, though, Xzav is the only one who would make me really surprize dto flip scum.
Umasi and Gotard don't have any defense against their accusations, so I find it hard to not be biased by thecurrent town consensus. Gut says both bad, Umasi town, Gotard maf, if only for lynching the one guy who we all should agree is mister town.

As for the jester question, the forum I used to play on was very inconsistent. The OP would only state basic roles, yet there would end up being bus drivers or phychics as flips, so I just wanted to make sure that Jest was not a role and that we wouldn't give up a day 1 loss to a jester.


So scummy. Makes excuses for his absence, then promises more analysis that never came and simply sheeps other's opinion. Vote is staying on him.


I would really like to hear from him also to see if he really was absent or just lurking. But lets be honest alot of people are sheeping, I think that is just noobish at this point. The thing I have been looking at is offering a thought on someone then sheeping once a majority is on someone else.
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Spicydinosaur
Profile Joined April 2013
United States382 Posts
June 07 2013 12:55 GMT
#598
On June 07 2013 21:54 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 21:39 Spicydinosaur wrote:
On June 07 2013 14:28 Firere345 wrote:
sorry for it being over 24 hours since my last post. I went to sleep right after my last post and have spent all my free time catching up today(which wasn't much). Fortunately, tonight was my last night of having prior commitments, so I will be much more active.

To meow, who asked my opinion of Vlosk a few pages back, he's obv not my top scum read atm, but engaging shitfests isn't the towniest thing to do. As for my current reads, though, Xzav is the only one who would make me really surprize dto flip scum.
Umasi and Gotard don't have any defense against their accusations, so I find it hard to not be biased by thecurrent town consensus. Gut says both bad, Umasi town, Gotard maf, if only for lynching the one guy who we all should agree is mister town.

As for the jester question, the forum I used to play on was very inconsistent. The OP would only state basic roles, yet there would end up being bus drivers or phychics as flips, so I just wanted to make sure that Jest was not a role and that we wouldn't give up a day 1 loss to a jester.


So scummy. Makes excuses for his absence, then promises more analysis that never came and simply sheeps other's opinion. Vote is staying on him.


I would really like to hear from him also to see if he really was absent or just lurking. But lets be honest alot of people are sheeping, I think that is just noobish at this point. The thing I have been looking at is offering a thought on someone then sheeping once a majority is on someone else.


Many people are sheeping, but in Firere345's case you have to look at everything else he's been doing (or really not been doing). The total sum looks scummy, especially the promise of future analysis that never comes.
Sylencia
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1057 Posts
June 07 2013 13:07 GMT
#599
Vote Count

LoneMeow (0): Umasi
Skanjab1s (1): iVLosK!
iVLosK! (0): Xzavier, Umasi
Spicydinosaur (0): Skanjab1s
Firere345 (1): Spicydinosaur, Skanjab1s
Gotard (4): Skanjab1s, Xzavier, iVLosK!, Umasi
StiMaDDicT (0): iVLosK!
Umasi (1): Onegu

Not Voting: tE_, Firere345, StiMaDDicT. fferyllt, Gotard, Yavanna, LoneMeow

Gotard is currently set to be lynched. Voting is mandatory. This is a plurality lynch.
The deadline is at [unparsable timestamp format], in [unparsable timestamp format]

If there's a mistake, let me know!

Skanjab1s
Profile Joined June 2013
748 Posts
June 07 2013 13:08 GMT
#600
On June 07 2013 21:52 Spicydinosaur wrote:
I don't think Gotard is scum, just a very newb townie. His posts are completely lacking in self confidence and he gives the minimalist of readings on Xzavier and Umasi. His thoughts can be boiled down to "I'm really confused as to who may be mafia but if I had to take a guess I think its Xzavier or Umasi because i think i saw some sheeping going on." But the thing that makes him townie.... he doesn't change his story when pressed. He defends it, knowing he's in a tight spot. If he were scum I'd expect him to back down or change in some way. But he keeps at it... he's not typing some smartly conceived thought, but his gut reactions. Thats more town indicating than scum.


He did backtrack though from his initial post, he initially said that if he had to lynch, it would be between Xzav and Umasi, but after being pressured he said that he doesn't actually want Xzav dead.

Then he used that terrible "Well you can't be 100% sure of everyone!" defense to justify him wanting to lynch someone who he had apparently had a townread on.

I'm getting more of a newbie scum vibe than a new-townie vibe from him.


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