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On May 26 2013 23:53 marvellosity wrote:
Now this SK thing is weird. Does/did/do mafia actually have 2 kp and there isn't an SK?
Given the SK actually ISN'T Dandel, the shot(s) last night make zero sense. Why wasn't the SK shooting for mafia? (i.e Dandel!)
they are not gonna have 2 kp in a normal mini. That is stupid.
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why not? you've no basis to say that. wtf was the SK doing last night then?
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On May 27 2013 00:59 marvellosity wrote:
why not? you've no basis to say that. wtf was the SK doing last night then?
You really think mafia are going to have 2 kp in a game of this size? I don't know. Maybe the SK is bad and didn't really think his shot through. Or maybe he realized Dandel would for sure get lynched so he played under that assumption and shot for town. Or maybe he was blue sniping who he thought was the JK.
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On May 04 2013 04:13 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
This is a normal sixteen player mini with a closed set up. I will tell you some things about the set up:
All roles are normal.
3rd party is possible.
Town win-condition is to eliminate all anti-town elements.
Scum win condition is to outnumber all anti-scum elements or make it impossible for that to be prevented.
Scum kp is fixed at 1.
All players will be notified of being roleblocked no matter their role.
There are no hit notifications except for players with multiple night lives.
The lynch is plurality.
There is at least one Vanilla Townie
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What the fuck is up with you marv?
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What the fuck is up with you? I forgot reading the OP from like a week ago that mafia had 1 kp? it's hardly a disaster is it.
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On May 27 2013 01:06 marvellosity wrote:
What the fuck is up with you? I forgot reading the OP from like a week ago that mafia had 1 kp? it's hardly a disaster is it.
Eh usually you are all over shit like that, and i'm the one making mistakes. W/E.
How do you feel about s0lstice after the past few pages?
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His throwaway read on you is/was pretty terrible. His attitude towards me in regards to the BH thing is also pretty awful. I should have been the voice of reason? It's just a terrible post-hoc argument. The main reason I couldn't make myself switch off BH was how long BH put his cases off for. If s0lstice genuinely had a problem with this then he did a bang up job of not complaining about it at the time.
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On May 26 2013 23:47 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2013 12:11 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 26 2013 12:04 s0Lstice wrote:
On my phone atm.
Your filter looks fine DP, but your reads and mine right now are so opposite that I have to wonder. Like I said earlier, I'm having to find scum from a bunch of former town reads.
I'm frustrated because if there 4 scum like we think (probably are, dandels play makes no sense otherwise), then town has effectively already lost this game.
I really do think marv is scum. If anyone, he should have been the voice of reason during the whole bh thing. He even said in the mason qt that there was a perfectly townie reason for the slip, and that was that BH literally didn't give a shit about the game when it happened....enough that he didn't know how many people were in the game. I made the mistake of assuming that he would at least know its a 16 player game he was in.
Let me ask you something else. Was it obvious to you that iamp was a town mason? On night 1, iamp dies and you are roleblocked dp. Is it more likely that the scum team saw iamps claim and switched targets (plus the roleblock) in the 7 minutes they had, or that they knew the entire time because marv is scum.
After the slip, the first thing marv did in thread was nitpick a tiny semantics issue in something I posted. He didn't even care to read what I said right, despite saying to iamp in mason qt that everyone should keep an eye on me. Is this town marv to you? BH scumslips, kind of a big deal, and he puts it aside to talk about something inconsequential. He doesn't even comment definitively on the slip until you drag it out of him dp.
There's been other times too where he's had uncharacteristic reading comprehension errors. It just doesn't seem like town marv to me. This. I had actually come up with this point myself because if we take that factor alone, it honestly seems more likely that scum already knew about the mason than picked him up with like 5 min to go until deadline. Again, I'm not convinced that marv is scum atm, but that's a pretty big point against him right now. I was willing to throw all reasonable doubt aside at that point in the game because like you said, DP, he really did appear to be a shining example of all that town stands for, but marv's seeming lack of caring about the game recently has forced me to think about these things. He is by no means my primary scumread atm, that honour still goes to JJD right now, but I would very much like for him to come back and show us why he isn't scum. This is absolute nonsense. It's quite the opposite. Go read the QT with iamp, halfway through the day he asked me if he should out himself as mason to the thread to see what reactions he got, and I told him not to. It would rather be in my interest as mafia to have iamp out himself in the middle of the night, and he god-damn offered to do it. Your thinking here is *way* off.
Pretty sure scum you would have told him to wait as well. Otherwise you're in the shit when he gets NK'd because you advocated for a blue to reveal himself early for no reason.
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On May 27 2013 01:14 s0Lstice wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2013 23:47 marvellosity wrote:On May 26 2013 12:11 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 26 2013 12:04 s0Lstice wrote:
On my phone atm.
Your filter looks fine DP, but your reads and mine right now are so opposite that I have to wonder. Like I said earlier, I'm having to find scum from a bunch of former town reads.
I'm frustrated because if there 4 scum like we think (probably are, dandels play makes no sense otherwise), then town has effectively already lost this game.
I really do think marv is scum. If anyone, he should have been the voice of reason during the whole bh thing. He even said in the mason qt that there was a perfectly townie reason for the slip, and that was that BH literally didn't give a shit about the game when it happened....enough that he didn't know how many people were in the game. I made the mistake of assuming that he would at least know its a 16 player game he was in.
Let me ask you something else. Was it obvious to you that iamp was a town mason? On night 1, iamp dies and you are roleblocked dp. Is it more likely that the scum team saw iamps claim and switched targets (plus the roleblock) in the 7 minutes they had, or that they knew the entire time because marv is scum.
After the slip, the first thing marv did in thread was nitpick a tiny semantics issue in something I posted. He didn't even care to read what I said right, despite saying to iamp in mason qt that everyone should keep an eye on me. Is this town marv to you? BH scumslips, kind of a big deal, and he puts it aside to talk about something inconsequential. He doesn't even comment definitively on the slip until you drag it out of him dp.
There's been other times too where he's had uncharacteristic reading comprehension errors. It just doesn't seem like town marv to me. This. I had actually come up with this point myself because if we take that factor alone, it honestly seems more likely that scum already knew about the mason than picked him up with like 5 min to go until deadline. Again, I'm not convinced that marv is scum atm, but that's a pretty big point against him right now. I was willing to throw all reasonable doubt aside at that point in the game because like you said, DP, he really did appear to be a shining example of all that town stands for, but marv's seeming lack of caring about the game recently has forced me to think about these things. He is by no means my primary scumread atm, that honour still goes to JJD right now, but I would very much like for him to come back and show us why he isn't scum. This is absolute nonsense. It's quite the opposite. Go read the QT with iamp, halfway through the day he asked me if he should out himself as mason to the thread to see what reactions he got, and I told him not to. It would rather be in my interest as mafia to have iamp out himself in the middle of the night, and he god-damn offered to do it. Your thinking here is *way* off. Pretty sure scum you would have told him to wait as well. Otherwise you're in the shit when he gets NK'd because you advocated for a blue to reveal himself early for no reason.
why? I could happily have said "sure why not, could be interesting". It's not like it was my idea.
If you carry on being terrible I'm going to have to assume you're mafia I'm afraid.
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On May 26 2013 23:53 marvellosity wrote:
Now this SK thing is weird. Does/did/do mafia actually have 2 kp and there isn't an SK?
Given the SK actually ISN'T Dandel, the shot(s) last night make zero sense. Why wasn't the SK shooting for mafia? (i.e Dandel!)
Aside from the OP thing pointed out, when you wrote this, what were you thinking the motivation was for Dandel to claim scum? Like, he doesn't do it unless it helps his team in some way. Really the only way it helps his team is if there is an SK, no?
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On May 27 2013 01:17 s0Lstice wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2013 23:53 marvellosity wrote:
Now this SK thing is weird. Does/did/do mafia actually have 2 kp and there isn't an SK?
Given the SK actually ISN'T Dandel, the shot(s) last night make zero sense. Why wasn't the SK shooting for mafia? (i.e Dandel!) Aside from the OP thing pointed out, when you wrote this, what were you thinking the motivation was for Dandel to claim scum? Like, he doesn't do it unless it helps his team in some way. Really the only way it helps his team is if there is an SK, no?
There is like no upside to losing a mafia member that I can think of. He basically claimed mafia when he laughed at BH flipping town; SK could have shot at Dandel there and then (and should have *shakes fist*). At which point the game would still absolutely be in town's hands
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On May 27 2013 01:19 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 01:17 s0Lstice wrote:On May 26 2013 23:53 marvellosity wrote:
Now this SK thing is weird. Does/did/do mafia actually have 2 kp and there isn't an SK?
Given the SK actually ISN'T Dandel, the shot(s) last night make zero sense. Why wasn't the SK shooting for mafia? (i.e Dandel!) Aside from the OP thing pointed out, when you wrote this, what were you thinking the motivation was for Dandel to claim scum? Like, he doesn't do it unless it helps his team in some way. Really the only way it helps his team is if there is an SK, no? There is like no upside to losing a mafia member that I can think of. He basically claimed mafia when he laughed at BH flipping town; SK could have shot at Dandel there and then (and should have *shakes fist*). At which point the game would still absolutely be in town's hands
This is exactly what I mean. It only takes a little critical thinking to see that the only way Dandel's play makes sense is for there to be an SK...but instead you ruminate about there being no SK and 2 mafia kp? It's like you didn't really consider it critically at all. You so scummy marv <3
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On May 27 2013 01:23 s0Lstice wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 01:19 marvellosity wrote:On May 27 2013 01:17 s0Lstice wrote:On May 26 2013 23:53 marvellosity wrote:
Now this SK thing is weird. Does/did/do mafia actually have 2 kp and there isn't an SK?
Given the SK actually ISN'T Dandel, the shot(s) last night make zero sense. Why wasn't the SK shooting for mafia? (i.e Dandel!) Aside from the OP thing pointed out, when you wrote this, what were you thinking the motivation was for Dandel to claim scum? Like, he doesn't do it unless it helps his team in some way. Really the only way it helps his team is if there is an SK, no? There is like no upside to losing a mafia member that I can think of. He basically claimed mafia when he laughed at BH flipping town; SK could have shot at Dandel there and then (and should have *shakes fist*). At which point the game would still absolutely be in town's hands This is exactly what I mean. It only takes a little critical thinking to see that the only way Dandel's play makes sense is for there to be an SK...but instead you ruminate about there being no SK and 2 mafia kp? It's like you didn't really consider it critically at all. You so scummy marv <3
Dandel's play doesn't make sense if there's an SK either you idiot
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Why not? Dandel claiming SK made sure we lynched scum and not the SK yesterday. We already talked about how the most optimal lynch for town yesterday was to off the SK, as it could get us to 5-4 with some luck. Now the best we can hope for is 4-3-1.
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His play makes considerably less sense if there's an SK in fact. Now go away, troll.
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On May 27 2013 01:27 s0Lstice wrote:
Why not? Dandel claiming SK made sure we lynched scum and not the SK yesterday. We already talked about how the most optimal lynch for town yesterday was to off the SK, as it could get us to 5-4 with some luck. Now the best we can hope for is 4-3-1.
BECAUSE HE CLAIMED NOT-TOWN WHEN BH FLIPPED WHICH WAS THE START OF THE NIGHT
SK should have shot him. I JUST WROTE THIS.
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In case you really are being this dense, Dandel LAUGHED AT BH'S FLIP.
At this point it's totally apparent he's not town. Comprendo?
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Really I only hope that if town loses, then the SK ends up losing as well because his shot last night was dumb
On a separate note, JK (should he exist) should try jailing offensively tonight
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You make me very tired Marv.
After BH's flip, we were at 7-4-1. If the SK kills Dandel, the numbers are 6-3-1 for today. Instead we are at 5-4-1 presumably. Now I'm asking because I really don't know...is 6-3-1 or 5-4-1 better for an SK? If 5-4-1 is better, or near enough to make no difference, then the SK doesn't have any special motivation to kill Dandel even with a scum claim.
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