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Ace's totally standard fliptimes are bullshit. | ||
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I'm catching up. Couldn't help but notice Prom was lynched...that came out of nowhere. Jesus. | ||
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Better to clear me from the pool once we reach that point than have me alive at LYLO.I was very wrong about both BH and slOosh, so I'm paranoid that I'm wrong about prplhz and he's actually town. Outside possibility given his play, but frankly I'm questioning everything given my strongest townreads (aside from OO) keep flipping scum XD I'm going to see who I think is the best lynch tomorrow and I'll get back with you guys (I promise this time). | ||
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SWEAR IT!!!! | ||
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First, I want to apologize to town for my weak showing in this game. I've been basically absent for 2 game days and there is no excuse. Hopefully this last push will make up for it in some small way, if only by clearing myself from possible suspects. Now, here's where I see thread sentiment in order of what I perceive to be collective lynch preferences. prplhz shirokami SnB Oatsmaster VE kushm4sta grush OO I'll go over each of them in turn and decide where I stand on them, and at the end will decide who I think tomorrow's lynch should be. prplhz: I've gone over and over his filter (because it's short and I can do that). Frankly my problem with prplhz stemmed exclusively from his waffle on HiroPro early on. But frankly, the game has played out in such a way that I believe that scum meant for prplhz to be a followup lynch to Promethelax getting lynched. Obviously they couldn't have anticipated OO's boss-level counter-claim to slOosh's fake-claim, but I think that the intent was to get prplhz lynched. Keep in mind: unless they shot him themselves, scum didn't think BH was going to be dead come D3. They intended for him to be alive, and presumably, for Promethelax to be dead. BH was gearing up for a prplhz push on D3 based on his "horrible meta case on kush"…which if you'll go and read the post in question, isn't so horrible at all. His case on kushm4sta was…okay as far as meta cases go. I went back and read the games in question and he's right - there are differences in the way he's presenting both himself and his scumreads. Not that I agree that Kush MUST be scum as a result, just saying - I found it far townier than most everything in his filter…and verily more townie than some who are considered "obvTown" today. I think prplhz is a planned mislynch. Verdict: Town shirokami: This guy isn't interested in helping us find scum at all. He's literally just flitting around the popular lynches and voting. Even I've got more content and activity in this thread than shirokami does, and I've been absent for 2 game days. Plus I find this post incredibly incriminating On May 23 2013 02:26 shirokami wrote: No, lynch me last. Im not scum kush, im starting to think you are the last one because in that order town loses. …given the conclusion I just made about prplhz. I think he's banking on the fact that town is ready to lynch prplhz, and that's why we're seeing baseline-activity from this guy consistently. He doesn't have to be any more active because he's not under as much heat as prplhz has been for like most of the game now. I can't see anything in his filter that makes me think town anymore. The town-drop I saw earlier could just as easily be newbie-scum, and his disinterest in talking to town in any meaningful way is just fueling my growing disease with this slot. Verdict: Scum strongandbig: There's a lot of stuff I like in SnB's posts…the way he went about his attack of Oats for instance. He sought out opinions from others, drawing attention to his attack, etc. It just seems too ballsy for scumSnB. His inactivity is a factor, but it's no worse than mine so I'm not factoring that in. Suffice to say that when he's here I think he's posting with a townie mindset. Also everyone should take another look at this post here: On May 17 2013 03:20 strongandbig wrote: okay so this is the first thing that makes me really wonder about oatsmaster being scum. Let me break it down for you guys: there are three possibilities here:
I consider the first of these options extremely unlikely; much less likely than either of the other two. First, votesteal is almost a useless power for townies; and it's very weird that someone would've used it D1. So let's say that oats's vote was stolen by scum; why didn't they use it to hammer OO? If he's town, it's free KP for them. Conclusion: he's scum. On the other hand, we have the case where oat's vote wasn't stolen by scum or town. Well, clearly his vote didn't count yesterday? If his vote wasn't stolen, then that would have to mean that his vote was canceled for some other reason. By far the most likely case where that happens is the case where he's scum - there's a clear scum motivation for having your vote not count. You can jump on your teammates' bandwagons all you want; you can ignore attacks on your voting record by just saying "oh my vote was stolen"; and it makes you look townie if you can persuade people that your vote was stolen by the scum team. So, I think we have a pretty good choice here. Between OO and Oats, I think we have a scum. This needs attention. Especially considering slOosh' flip…with a secret hammer on their side, why would scum NOT hammer down OO if OO is, in fact, a town-aligned Watcher? Think it through - if even one scum is "confirmed town" then the whole game is fucked for town. Think LX. And slOosh makes a terribad claim (with Mac truck sized holes in it) which CONVENIENTLY OO is in a position to refute. Because he checked the miller claim on D1. Hoping for......what? Scum to frame him? To catch a cop checking him? What was OO's reasoning for checking DP? Verdict: Town ObviousOne: I broke order because I just had a WTF moment. OO IS SCUM!! Look at SnB's post, then look at OO's claim, then look at slOosh's claim, then look at OO's claim again, then look at SnB's post again, then look at MY post again. slOosh's last posts re: OO's claim look like a desperate attempt to distance himself from OO when he flips. How do I know? Because his points are completely valid! slOosh flipped scum right? Scum know when other scum are acting scummy because THEY KNOW they're scum! slOosh's points are extremely valid re: OO's claim. OO's explanation doesn't make any sense - here it is: On May 22 2013 12:39 ObviousOne wrote: Because I wanted to check if he was shot protected or copped? Parity cop is the only cop check that makes sense on a claimed miller but no detective actions were taken. None. You lied despite your lie being half believable. Except for the part where Prome shows up town to a parity cop. And that all your checks were amazing despite your lack of attention to the game. You would have received Same Same of I was mafia. You claim Same Different. 1) According to the OP, mafia's KP is factional and cannot be role blocked (or in the same vein, Watched.) So he couldn't have been looking for scum. That leaves 2) "or copped". He was blue sniping if he's a watcher at all. There's literally no reason for a town-aligned player to be "looking for blues" by way of watching the miller claim. OO is a sharp guy, and he definitely doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who would waste his action on a MILLER claim. Christ on a cross, that's WHY millers claim, so townies don't waste their MOAMOVMAOVNIAVNING ACTION on them. OO was at L-1 with a scum-aligned hammering role in the game. He'd have you believe that "Oh, well obviously scum are taking a gambit that they'll be able to lynch me"...which would almost be believable, except that no one but ME has really pushed for an OO lynch after that fact. And I'M not fucking scum. So why? Why would they DO that? Also On May 23 2013 08:04 ObviousOne wrote: Now we know for sure he wasn't around. D1 voting he could have hammered me silently. Also lol sharks. Many thanks to Ace for not letting mafia send in actions for eachother. Let's see who suggested that would be the case in thi game. They probably knew about it since, you know, they're mafia. I guess present company is excluded right? Unless you're referring to something someone else said, you're the one saying this is the case. How do you know? On May 23 2013 08:11 ObviousOne wrote: Wait he posted that I was at L-1 right? Wtf lol guess BH told him not to? That would mean BH would have to do work. Hrm. Why didn't he hammer? The guilty conscience is palpable. It's because OO is scum and he's taking you all for a ride. I'm getting off, right here. *pulls cord* That's good enough for me actually. I want to lynch ObviousOne tomorrow which should flow nicely into a shirokami lynch the following day. Final answer. I'll get to everyone I've missed later, but I've spent too much time on this as it is and we've got another 24 hours before deadline (according to the lynch post). If anything changes after I finish filtering I'll let you guys know. OO: if you're town you're going to have to explain in further detail why you checked DP. It makes far more sense for me to believe that as scum you were just trying to buy cred by "refuting" slOosh's claim than it is for me to believe that as town you thought it was a good idea to check DP N1. shiro/prplhz: if you're town, you're going to have to do something...anything...to avoid getting lynched tomorrow. Everyone needs to be aware that going into tomorrow, scum are going to be in a position to hammer anyone if even one person votes incorrectly. Regardless of how strongly you feel about your reads, don't be a hero and think "oh well my target is 100% scum" and just blatantly disregard the opinions of others. It's not fair, and I want to win. | ||
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On May 23 2013 10:35 ObviousOne wrote: Like VE, if you're town you just lost us the game with this. Holy shit. I'm sure I did lose it for you. But I'm in it for TOWN'S victory, so I'm not worried about it much. Look, I'm just going off what I see. I see slOosh make a horrible claim, I see you refute it with questionable facts (you were "testing a theory"? One that was in the thread for scum to see? OKAY BUD!) and I see a scum hammerer flip after you were at L-1 AND NOT HAMMERED. WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO THINK OO? WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO DO IN THIS CASE?! IGNORE FACTS?! | ||
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On May 23 2013 10:39 kushm4sta wrote: OO knew about sloosh's fake claim instantly. OO is confirmed town. Explain how that makes him confirmed town. If he's scum WITH slOosh would he not similarly "know instantly about slOosh's fake claim"? Think rationally Kush - slOosh was GOING to be lynched. GOING TO BE. Even after his claim, he was GOING TO BE LYNCHED. Why would scum NOT want to capitalize on this in some way? | ||
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On May 23 2013 10:39 grush57 wrote: Only 2 scum left VE? IS THAT A SCUM CLAIM Only 2 scum in the filters I've dived, yes. I'm doing the rest tomorrow because lazy. I just spent 4 hours reading the game and writing a post...you'll forgive me taking a little break. | ||
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On May 23 2013 10:46 ObviousOne wrote: Testing a theory just bought town a scum lynch and you're doubting me because it's convenient? No. Fake claims are convenient, counter-claims are a consequence. Then tell me why you think prplhz/SnB are scum. As thoroughly as you can, because I'm not seeing it dude and I think prplhz has been slated as "the mislynch" for a while from the looks of the game. "Testing a theory" only bought town a scum lynch AS a matter of convenience OO. If you're town, then slOosh just HAPPENED to fake-claim that he checked DP - do you not see how I view that as "convenient"? | ||
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Jesus, is it really Kush in here talking sense into VE? WTF? I probably need a break after this game. | ||
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On May 23 2013 12:55 Oatsmaster wrote: VE. Why scum didnt hammer OO day 1, is that sloosh had to be on a different wagon. He wasnt. Lynch didnt happen. OO isnt scum for that. He may be scum for other things. But not that. This point is completely accurate. I missed this. I thought the hammerer was like an extra vote (because there seems to be some kind of vote stealing stuff going on so why not?) but upon further inspection it seems I was mistaken - that it's actually HIS vote that is the secret hammer. Okay maybe OO is NOT scum then. That was a huge part of my problem with him, and that's completely gone. :/ There's still the convenience of his claim with relation to slOosh's claim, but in fairness I've had a claim called bad which I thought was actually a really skillful play (LX), so his explanation resonates with me on reflection. | ||
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The difference between him and shiro though is that I actually have played enough with prplhz to know better...I have NOT played with shiro before, and lurky scared-to-post seems far more in line with newbScum than it does with a player like prplhz who has been around the block. So again - I think prplhz is a bad lynch tomorrow, and that we should instead consider shirokami. | ||
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On May 24 2013 03:32 prplhz wrote: who we lynching today? | ||
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Yes I was wrong about slOosh. But you implying that my being away for so long means that I don't know what the fuck is going on is really starting to infuriate me. Stop thinking you've got it all figured out. Even if you do, you going around screaming about it only accomplishes making you look like a dickhole. Are you a dickhole Kush? I expect this kind of masterbatory play from BH and Palmar...not you. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [N0:Casting Doubt on Miller Claim] + On May 13 2013 04:43 shirokami wrote: If I would be a miller, I would get a scum lynched and claim after that. I dont really see a reason behind N0-miller claim. On May 13 2013 05:14 shirokami wrote: actually I have won as scum with stupid early fakeclaim. but well who knows, im just a noob In this thread there's even BONUS Playing Noob Card. + Show Spoiler [D1:WoS Push] + On May 14 2013 06:26 shirokami wrote: dont worry blazinghand. you are always town in my eyes<3 On May 14 2013 06:44 shirokami wrote: @rayn WoS, because I agree with BH and I like his posts. ##vote WaveofShadow On May 14 2013 07:26 shirokami wrote: says a guy who wanted to waste vigshot to a miller. A miller who he, incidentally, was suspicious of himself based on his posts...but I digress. On May 14 2013 07:32 shirokami wrote: I was unmotivated last game, and I was on the road almost the first 2 phases. Now I have time and closed setups with many people are much more fun. Strange, in spite of this little nugget, WHERE is our friend Shiro today? On May 15 2013 02:05 shirokami wrote: sorry im bad with these cool words like totes, bussing, OMGUS and WIFOM. More playing the noob card too, which is odd considering in the next couple of posts On May 15 2013 02:32 shirokami wrote: about WoS. the first time I started to think that he is scum was when he started metahugging @page 2 of his filter. then it was straight line downwards in my eyes. and I agree with BH with his case. Did I say oats is scum? um I was curious about him but he has been ok for a while. ...he uses the term "metahugging". A little odd considering he's such a turbo-newbie, but whatever right? On May 15 2013 07:48 shirokami wrote: the fuck, does WoS really have better role than you OO or why are you getting yourself killed? you were not going to be lynched and now you go full allahuakhbar wtf. and yeah about vayne, check the clusterfuck of a newbgame going on and you realize he is the wrong lynch today. On May 16 2013 09:54 shirokami wrote: blah rayn dont flatter yourself, the townread on BH is gone. vivax is my friend now. I still want to lynch WoS and you. On May 16 2013 09:56 shirokami wrote: WoS you scummy fuck stop giving scum good ideas. In this quote he not only calls WoS scum, but scumslips that WoS is actually really town. :OOOOOOOOO Directly following, he goes from wanting to lynch rayn to using rayn's ability to "read" him (another slip indicating that he knows in advance that rayn is actually town) as evidence of his own innocence, and then devolves into one-liner responses to everything and votes with no reason....right about the point where the game seems to be "figured out" from an objective standpoint. I think in context, shirokami is by FAR the best lynch tomorrow. | ||
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I'm sorry I doubted you OO. You da man in this game now - I'm in here arguing with Kush about whether we should lynch prplhz or shiro first. I say shiro, he thinks kush. I'm coming around to the idea of a prplhz lynch myself, but wanted your opinion on the matter because you're the Boss Hogg now and I think shiro is more definitely scum than prplhz. | ||
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