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i'll think about it some more | ||
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On May 18 2013 08:22 Blazinghand wrote: NO YOU ARE MAKING A CAS EON YOURSELF look at yoru freaking kush case look at it and tell me it's legit at all It's a bad case that doesn't make him scum testing from phone with Siri | ||
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On May 18 2013 08:24 VisceraEyes wrote: My case on Hiro is legit, you're just sheeping whoever has the largest post Kush. GOD I wish that was scummy from you but it's FUCKING NOT BRO. DO YOU KNOW HOW SICK I AM OF THAT SHIT? http://achewood.com/index.php?date=08242006 | ||
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Anyway can someone explain to me why that new Shirov Commies town post like to Leaflock and in my book that's not very tony like everyone seems to think Easttown also I'm in for a minute to bed whatever CMRO | ||
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On May 20 2013 02:04 Promethelax wrote: oh look, bh was scum. You were chainsaw defending him. Suck a dick scum. Yes it does. It does a million percent. Scum team is bh, Kush, Sloosh, prp and SnB. [this is only true if busmaster is scum. He seems quite scummy though and he did vote bh and get defended by him. I need to look into Kush meta and vote analysis before I am totally sure of this though] I guess I see where you are coming from on that, but no. When I have limited time I much prefer to hear from people who can use my time wisely. We'll play together more <3. Who do you have as scum with Shiro/Prp and why is shiro scum? Everything he does is too openly scummy and if Rayn really can read him like Rayn suggested I'll take that read over my own since objectively scummy players are so often just objectively scummy despite alignment (take a gander at Kush or Stutters for decent examples.) You may have read my recent mafia scum game, in it I played very aggressive and in your face. The reason for it in that game, and my more aggressive posting in this game, is that I couldn't have the level of thread interaction I want (there because the other players were never in the thread, here because I'm not). There is a third newbie mafia game in my profile too, not sure why none of you are looking at me for real, like, its colour coded and shit. Its much more similar to the LX scum game than it its to nmm XIX. I'm torn between annoyed and honoured that you think my scum game is good enough to be what I'm doing here. Because he is town. Its a pretty simple equation really. OO, bh is a bit of a prickenstein as either alignment, its his schtick. But as scum he plays up the prick and plays down the being useful. Go look at his town play in Liquid City or the more recent LX. The kid isn't so bad as to just fight people because of his ego, he uses that to hide in when he rolls scum. Me voting bh in the ~three seconds I was in the thread would be hilariously bad if I was scum. I didn't give reasons or attempt to make myself look good from a possible d3 flip since it was a lynch between bh and Hiro d2. I'm not voting until i get back from work and get to finish analyzing everything I want to look at. I like this prp/kush lynch dichotomy at the moment though. I'm sure at least one of the two is scum. Another player I'd like to look at is Oats, someone remind me to filter him when I get home, he seems different to how I'm used to him playing town and I need to see if ti matches his scum play. Son of a bitch won't even sheep me. Prome do you have reasons for thinking I'm scum other than the lush master association? I realize that missing ve's massive vote switch push onto bh makes me look pretty terrible now that hiro flipped town and bh flipped scum. My reasons for thinking hiro was scum were genuine, however, as I would hope my posts made clear. All I can say is that I have a really good reason for being inactive this weekend: I was TF this semester for freshmen physics. Their final was on Friday, the last day of finals period, and grades are due on Monday, so that's basically all I have been doing this weekend plus getting pretty drunk last night at my roommate's birthday party). This has put me in a pretty bad spot it seems, so all I ask is that you guys give me another cycle to re-prove myself town, which I think I was doing decently well until I was forced into dramatically reduced activity. Honestly, I don't have time this morning to reason through new good scum reads. I still think something is fishy about the day1 votesteal, and how no one else has had their vote stolen and how the stolen vote didn't show up on day 1. But that will probably be dismissed as a scummy tunnel or something. Hopefully I will finish grading today before it gets too late, and be able to actually do some analysis as well as defending myself better against more specific accusations. But I can't promise anything other than that I will try to check in occasionally to see how the lybch us shaping up and if I need to vote. | ||
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On May 21 2013 02:50 Promethelax wrote: I wasn't informed of anything so I was not JK'd. But the bum rush at me as SK from scum today suggests to me that scum shot me last night and seeing me not die went all out today. I have no proof of this but basic analysis suggest that this was the case. Still thinking about the cases on and by promethelax. need to read some more. but here's a thing - protective roles *are* informed if they block a kp. that means if prome is telling the truth, there's some medic out there who knows it. Of course, he could still be scum or sk even if the medic protected him, but it would answer sloosh's "bulletproof SK" speculation on the missing night kill. they probably shouldn't claim since scum would shoot them and town would lose the PR. but still, just thought i'd mention it. | ||
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On May 17 2013 02:36 Promethelax wrote: Vivax was a night one shot in lxi. Does there have to be another explanation beyond: pretty good when he tries. interesting. | ||
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On May 21 2013 02:31 Promethelax wrote: hi guys, I'm back. This is how today goes: we lynch either Oats or Sloosh. Both of whom are scum. My only point on a town Oats was my early belief that scum had two night hits and his suggestion of a vig for the second hit. Since based on how the NKs worked out (as Sloosh correctly pointed out) there is probably a serial killer and scum only have one NK which means that Oats' townslip was actually a scumslip. Why is sloosh scum? Well its because he is really easy to read as scum. If you need help because you are bad though look at his play this day: he is SK hunting not scum hunting. An sk lynch is the same as a town lynch for scum, probably even better since the SK needs to be shooting Scum right now as evidenced by the BH shot last night. Having the SK alive assuming that it is indeed an SK (KISS suggests it is) is way more beneficial to town than it is to scum. We get to lynch and Scum need to nk the SK since he is the only non-scum kp in the game (besides the flipped vivax). SnB: no, there is no reason for me to think you are scum, but I need to call Kush scum to be able to read him and that was my chance to do so. I said I liked the prp/kush lynch dichotomy earlier but I like it a lot less now. Kush seems really townie in these last few pages his appeals to me to claim serial killer and ally myself with town are a thing he would not suggest as scum. In case you guys decide to lynch me I'm posting a full reads list with reasons so that you can maaaaybe make this a win for us. Oatsmaster has played anti-twon the whole game, his activity is pathetic and his interest is minimal. Plus scumslip about n0 nk SloOsh lurky scum play, focused attack on me trying to pass off sk-hunting as pro town while avoiding scum hunting. Chainsaw defense of bh. VE less sure than I am on the above but his OO stuff early wasn't right and my meta case from Chrono still holds. VE hasn't added anything to the game that he should as a townie. This is either VE's scumgame or the single worst town game I have ever seen from him. Shiro he was such an idiot early on that I had him as town, Rayn had a similar read. If we assume Rayn was the scum shot though that might have been to cover Shiro from someone who knew him. I wouldn't lynch him yet but I'm damn sure that I don't want him in lylo if it is at all avoidable. OO I do like his d2 play. BH's retard push on him for martyring also suggests that he is town. Of the three guys in this null column he is the one I think would have the skill to fool me as scum though. For the moment not really worth calling scum but he'll need to be looked at again as the game goes on. prp My heuristic with prp early game tells me he is town, his play hasn't done anything for me since that and he certainly could be scum. I find it somewhat unlikely though. Me[/me] WoS seriously the towniest mother fucker in the world. Kush his play today, he is actually interested in killing scum and winning game for town. Asking sk to claim is a very townie thing for kush to do. Grush I believe in STARSENSES For the purposes of the above list I treated this game as anti-scum/scum since the SK is on our side for now. I'm not to worried about him as town is so far behind right now (5-4-1) that he is shooting scum for a while and because of that scum HAVE to shoot him or push through a lynch on him. I say we lynch scum today and make scum waste their kp on sk so we can win this game. ##Vote: Oatsmaster you are all welcome to sheep me now. If scum seriously think I am the sk it probably means they shot me last night and I was protected from their nk, that would explain the retard push on me today. I'll probably get hit next night since they are so sure I'm sk so after I flip remember this post and come back and read it. I'd like you all to pull out the win for us kthx. for some reason this post feels like it has a lot of "i want to live" mixed in with the "scum reads". probably because finally someone is listening to all my stuff about oatsmaster from before, im so used to being ignored that now that someone influential is agreeing with me. but there are some real problems with the reads and also the way they are presented: - No mention of the entire Hiro wagon, which VE started, or the BH wagon, which VE also started, when he calls VE scum. Feels like recycling arguments. - oats stuff is also weird. he's had oats as a suspicion in his filter for a while, it's true, but the last mention of oats was "someone remind me to filter him when I get home, he seems different to how I'm used to him playing town and I need to see if ti matches his scum play. Son of a bitch won't even sheep me. " What happened to make that "playing anti-town all game"? Of course, I agree that oats has been playing anti town all game, but ... the way prome agreed with me is weird. - on me - prome's been throwing my name around as scum for a couple of days now, but it turns out that it was just because he was trying to goad kush? - more importantly, suddenly my "tunnel on oats", which even I recognize as a viability in my townplay/ in my attempts to demonstrate my alignment, becomes a reason he thinks i'm town? That doesn't sit right to me. It feels kind of like he just wanted to have something to say about everyone, and that he wanted to ditch as many of his previous scumreads as possible (me, OO, kush) to focus on establishing some alternative lynch to himself without too obviously flip-flopping on something important. So what I think happened - prome kind of slipped up with this post when the pressure got hot on him. The reads aren't consistent with his earlier positions; and while inconsistency can be townie, it's only townie when it happens for a good reason rather than just to have something to say about everyone when you're under pressure. If I was in promethelax's position as town, I would be 100% focused on "guys i'm town" and explaining how my play actually has been caring about lynches and my focusing on the nks was because they are an important tool in my scumhunting process and not because I was involved in them. What I'm [b]definitely not doing is this post. it's packed a sort-of-defense (but not really) against sloosh's case, a last will, and an argument for why we shouldn't be lynching the serial killer, all into one post. The last will part is suspicious because it's not like prome is going to die super fast; I'm not sure but I think now that kushmasta unvoted him he's at L-4? One other thing - the reason I posted that quote with "interesting" is because I don't really see any motivation for someone to try to reason out a counter-explanation for the vivax kill being a blue snipe. The one thing I do see is the SK having shot him, then seeing him flip vig and going "fuck I wanted the town vig alive because more kp is better for me and town is not doing so hot". Explaining that it wasn't a blue snipe as a way of (subconsciously probably) avoiding anticipated criticism. So the next question is, what do we do with it? First, it's not a sure bet that he's sk instead of scum. sloosh's case points fit better with him being sk but nothing really rules out him being scum. However, say that he is the third party serial killer. What does the town do about that? I'm actually not sure. On the one hand, if we kill him and he flips sk then we know that most likely one townie dies tonight. However, even if we manage to find and lynch scum, we probably won't reduce the number of anti-town KP (sloosh's nk analysis is pretty convincing to me). So here's the thing - it's obviously a much, much better thing for us to kill the third party serial killer than to lynch a townie, and if we try and find an alternative lynch and leave sloosh alive, then we run the risk of lynching a townie. Is it enough better for us to lynch scum than the sk that it merits taking that risk? Actually, is it better at all to lynch scum than the sk? If prome decides to shoot a townie and scum shoots another townie, that puts us at 4-3-1, where I don't think we can win. We can't lynch sk or we lose to scum at 3-3, and if we keep successfully lynching scum it goes 4-2-1 -> NKs -> 2-2-1 -> lynch -> 2-1-1 -> NKs -> 1-0-1 (prome wins) or 0-1-1 (scum wins). And that might be optimal play for an outed sk, he wins as long as he keeps finding scum. | ||
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On May 21 2013 03:18 Promethelax wrote: Help me out here SnB, what is interesting about that? Do you disagree with my analysis that scum probably shot me last night? You still think oats is scummiest? If not who and why? WoS/kush: you are both still here, I'd like to hear from you on my reads list and your opinions on them since I believe you are both town I'd rather like to have some conversations with you about my null list. I want to find the last scum and after that I'll go looking for sk. I think oats is scum, yes. My cases on him relating to the vote steal thing still holds. I think shirokami might be scum. People have given him town reads for reasons that pretty much escape me. I think prplhz might be scum. BH's case on him was just that bad. I think VE is not scum, that BH push would've been insane for scum to do, especially because if VE had kept his vote on hiropro, hiro would've been insta lynched when the safety period ran out (unless i'm misremembering). I don't know about kush, sloosh, and OO. I think OO is scum if Oats isn't, but I'm not sure about them being scum together. I think wos is not scum. Idk, it seems like he's been playing the kind of game you should as a townie who started off under a lot of pressure. I don't have a very good reason for this read however. right now i'm focused on you though. well on you and on my job since i'm at work but w/e on that | ||
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I also have thought more about the win/loss scenarios, and I really don't think we can afford to leave the SK alive. He could just decide to take his chances vs scum, and town cannot win in that situation. (see the bolded part at the end of that last post). As such, ##vote: promethelax | ||
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but my point is: if we lynch scum and the sk shoots town and scum shoots town, we cannot win. i dont really care whether or not that's good play for the sk - i'm not willing to put the chance of a town win in the hands of an anti-town party. although i think it might be good for you if you're the sk because you would be taking the possibility of a town win off the table. if you're the SK and you are essentially caught, you basically have to shoot town or else after we lynch scum and you shoot scum, town will just lynch you. You have to shoot town to force them into lynching scum instead of you. you're right, 5-4 tomorrow is pretty bad. however, we still have a fighting chance. it's infinitely better than 4-3-1. | ||
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What's goin down in lynchingtown | ||
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i agree re shoriyuken prplhz though. not sure about sloosh. i think finding the serial killer was the only way for town to win, so i dont agree that him hunting the sk was a sign of him being scum. that said not sure. maybe grush? need to read his filter in depth. (lol, reading grush... i wish) | ||
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On May 22 2013 07:13 grush57 wrote: so we 100% lynch sloosh tomorrow. why him not shoriuken or prplhz | ||
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we've let shoriuken and prplhz (and you) not even do that, it seems like scum would either try to nuke the fuck out of the thread like bh or just avoid engaging and get away. actually lets talk about you, you're jumping around targets like a motherfucker, without any reasons or accountability. | ||
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I'm mostly sure you're telling the truth. But those couple of posts where you are "unsure" about sloosh's claim are giving me pause and I'd like to know if your story holds up. Also - ##vote: sloosh Regardless of whether OO is telling the truth (and I think odds are good that he is), sloosh's claim is fake as fuck. Who checks darthpunk, the claimed miller, n1? (The fact that OO didn't notice this when he called out sloosh is part of what's nagging at me.) | ||
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On May 23 2013 04:38 kushm4sta wrote: fine we will lynch you last. I don't really care about order that much. The problem is it really doesn't matter what the order is because town never gets to the point where we've earned ourselves a mislynch. 4 to 3 3 to 2 2 to 1 The only thing you have said in the longest time is "I'm not scum". Guess what. You are scum. Obviously, I'm biased because I don't want to get mislynched and lose. But how about this more objective argument - you should lynch in order of how certain you are that you're scum, because that gives you more time to read the people you're unsure about. | ||
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I'm drunk again but not as much as last time Don't shoot me until I get over being hug over tomorrow thiggh | ||
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On May 24 2013 11:40 ObviousOne wrote: If he doesn't die he's mafia. By deviation from his plan I am potentially opening the win for mafia (if he is right). Why haven't mafia conceded now that 3P is gone and he is potentially right, with so many on board for his list? Why drag out the game by going AFK? Maybe theyr hoping they can get you to make this exact argument Plus scum teams just don't concede when there is more than one of them left on tk | ||
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