Newbie Mini Mafia XLI

On May 04 2013 12:47 calgar wrote:
@nobody - I'm doing well, thanks.

@espi - Being in a different time zone definitely adds difficulty so just try and do your best, give reads, and be reasonably active. In the end that's all we can really ask for from players. I know in a lot of newbie mini games it really suffers from 2-3 lurkers/replacements who hold back the game so I'd love to be able to avoid that.

As far as active lurking goes - that's definitely something to watch out for. Posting without direction and cluttering the thread doesn't accomplish anything useful for town. I don't think it's 100% reliable though, although I guess none of the other 'common tells' such as being wishy-washy, apologizing/avoiding confrontation, sheeping etc. are.

On May 04 2013 15:08 jampidampi wrote:
Yes, rolled town again.


Why post something like this instead of trying to create discussion?


Like this post of yours?

I'm not sold on policy lynching. If we agree to policy lynch, it creates an easy way for scum to mask themselves in the town. And if we agree on a policy, scum can just avoid doing whatever we policy lynch for. Like just posting a bit more than the lurkiest lurker. What I suggest is leaving lurkers for our blues to handle. Scummy lurkers are shot by vigis, null lurkers are checked by cops, towny lurkers are not are a big concern.

On May 05 2013 02:37 nobodywonder wrote:


or you can change your play and not die...this is highly recommended if you are town. you almost deserve to die if you don't contribute

On May 05 2013 02:45 nobodywonder wrote:


no, it's not. you need to contribute. for example, here's a bone for you
what do you think of sugarfluff's suscipion of you? what do you think of jampi's vt claim?

On May 05 2013 02:44 jampidampi wrote:
@Vayne: If there was nothing to discuss you could have started a discussion. If you indeed play based on logic, you could start by creating material to analyse.


What gives you this feeling?

On May 05 2013 03:41 jampidampi wrote:
Why did you make another account? Based on your posts in that game you have analysed a lot more things than just raw facts (votes/flips/nightkills). What has changed?

On May 05 2013 03:42 jampidampi wrote:

And answear this.

On May 05 2013 08:10 nobodywonder wrote:


I am really annoyed by his day 1 logic thing. And as for the votes, not many people have voted so yeah... I vote him because I'm just annoyed, the action can be scummy, but his response I can't quite make a read...I'll clarify when he does this:



Interesting, you voted, but why? Please explain your logic or whatever you cling to.

On May 06 2013 03:09 nobodywonder wrote:
@Vayne, just tell us why you vote Targe? Targe's posting doesn't seem particularly bad. At this point, Targe isn't even going to be lynched...in that case, will you tell us tomorrow? Or just hold it forever? In the end you should TELL US TODAY, otherwise I'm definitely saying you are scum.

If Targe is scum, then I don't see why wouldn't you just make a case and show us. Vayne, your play just doesn't make sense.

I actually have a couple of concerns about Targe's play too, so if you give us the analysis then that would be great.

On May 06 2013 08:18 jrkirby wrote:
You're right in that we'll almost never actually manage to lynch mafia day one. It's just not going to happen. But what we do get is reads on all the players. If everyone just no lynched day one, we would get pretty much no information. We wouldn't be able to see who voted for who and why.

On May 06 2013 11:56 jrkirby wrote:
Vayne, you were talking about how a no lynch would be good, but you never did vote for one. Why?

On May 07 2013 00:10 AllHailHydraGod wrote:
Hey!
I'm highly suspicious of Spicydinosaur. His play seems calculated, coasting his vote on the guy who hasn't posted at all for 2/3 of Day 1 so he doesn't have to explain himself much when hopping on a wagon close to deadline.

And the way his vote wound up on flowcaster is also "troubling". See his filter, in posts #3 and #4 he's asking questions which I would interpret as townie but then it's like he doesn't even care about them at all. His # 5 is this:



What happened to his inquiries regarding nobodywonder's reason to vote Vayne.. or shirokami's lack of content and postponing analysis? Does he find them satisfying or scummy or what, he simply votes for pressuring the non-poster instead of pursuing his suspicions, letting people know where he stands.. they must've given him some impression but my hunch is he's not willing to share them because he wants to keep his options of jumping on their wagon open.

His catch-up post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18508502］#6 does not give the impression as if he's interested to find things out. There's something about the way he starts his posts, look:



First off he's like warming up to it by saying his vote on flowcaster is useless. This is either townie realizing he has been playing anti-town or apologetic, cheeky scum. I can't tell but judging by the way he says these are the reasons for voting for Targe .. i don't know, sounds like it's hard for him to do so and he's getting ready to write some fiction.

I mean since scum talk in their QT about who's mislynch to push I feel like this is a coordinated move in that they decided that Targe should be Spicydinosaur's target but he seems like he's working hard to come up with reasons.

But the next sentence is where I think he gave himself away:


As I've said he probably kept his options open to jump on one of the two he has questioned, actually, the only 2 people he had any sort of interactions with and even with these folks he didn't bother to comment on their replies to his questions.
So here we see him choosing one of these options. The way the post is designed it's really rather sincere, like saying I was coasting so now I'm voting for one of the two guys I have a few sentences of content against, being extra careful because voting for anyone else would raise questions and scum/I don't like to explain myself.



Understanding what? It's not like he left room for anything to misinterpret, he's scum and it's that simple. Others are concerned about switching the vote because JarJar doesn't seem scummy whereas he is concerned about people understanding his post. In fact I thought him and flowcaster where the scumteam and he used the inactivity of his scumbuddy to distance himself from him knowing well that if he fails to show up he'd get replaced, or that he could easily switch off him once he starts to post. That is not the case though. I'm town and you should sheep me on this one.

I'll go over other people's filters shortly. My general impression is that jrkirby, nobodywonder, Targe and jampidampi are town.

Also LAL means Lynch All Liars afaik. And lurkers aren't people who don't post at all but people who post little with little to no original content .. like Spicy.

On May 07 2013 03:34 nobodywonder wrote:
@Hydra Hi, good I like your posting so far. Keep it up. What did you think about the outcome of the JarJar lynch? There may be a mafia on it perhaps so I'm very suscipious of casey. I also don't like the last minute random voting between jrkirby and spicydinosaur. that was weird.



if you think you are going to die, you might as well give us the dirt on Targe. I don't see the point of delaying your analysis any further.
what do you think of the other posters, any that take your attention? what do you think of hydra's case on dino?

On May 07 2013 03:57 Targe wrote:


Finally you spill!

I'd say that point 3 is a matter of my personality, not gameplay, I like to agree with people generally when it comes to a group, but you can read it how you want.

On May 07 2013 22:07 shirokami wrote:
So. I was role blocked.

On May 08 2013 00:13 AllHailHydraGod wrote:
Well that was quick. Vayne stop lurking and only posting when you're PR fishing, it makes me change my mind about you.

On May 08 2013 05:12 Sugarfluff wrote:

I have no experience, but I'd imagine he'd want to be helpful while at the same time making sure no cop looks him over or mafia targets him.


My main reason for starting what became the lynching of JarJar was not the fact that he only discussed the the lurker policy, but that he was for it and didn't actually vote for any lurkers to get them to start posting. Seemed suspicious and contradictory to me, it didn't to you?


Yupp I did miss you, but then again I don't find you nearly as suspicious as I would have thought Calgar would have found jrkirby.

You are contradicting yourself here, my voting of JarJar was the first one, certainly not a general opinion at that time. Nor is it hypocritical, for reasons stated above.



I assume this is what you are referring to?

Yup, JarJar was my top read, I stand by the vote I cast at that time. I thought he was suspicious. Shirokami had a reason, yes his reason could be used as a tactic and maybe I am too trusting in this game. But at the time I certainly did not think he was that suspicious, nor do I think voting for him would have brought much.

You've made no other questions, only stated your suspicions. Which I found quite baseless compared to other stuff in this thread.


Picked consciously as in he was very anti lurking/bad content posts and he brings that up but completely skips jrkirbys, whos big post doesn't come until later at which point Calgars reaction is nothing more than asking a short question to this lurker who up until that post has done nothing (I had not done much, but kirbys filter at that point is freakishly devoid of actual content).



Them being scumbuddies makes sense, and Calgars passing over kirby relies on that (if either one is town it's just weird behavior from Calgar) but Kirby on his own does not have a great track record. For the start he may as well have been lurking, his big post is not as inclusive as it could be, he brings up a scum team with very little evidence and in the following time he has done nothing to reinforce or change his view. He just makes sure everyone knows that he knew that JarJar was town.

I'm staying in tonight btw, so if you want to ask more questions I will answer them sooner this time. Now for a late dinner.

On May 10 2013 02:27 Targe wrote:


Basically if you don't lynch day 1 you can mislynch the same guy day 2, but get an extra night for PRs to use skills.

On May 11 2013 01:45 VayneAuthority wrote:
Alright so this is how were gonna do this. Everyone needs to claim right now what role they are. I am curious if there's any more PR roles out there as that would make this a lot easier. We know we had a vig and the cop so thats 2 and there is 3 mafia so if you are a PR speak up now.

I am just normal town.

On May 11 2013 03:29 calgar wrote:
Is there any reason you're leaning towards sugarfluff over casey right now?

On May 07 2013 03:54 Targe wrote:
Analysis time,

jrkirby:

Your posts are kind of meh, you have your 'Casey, shirokami, nobody' post which is ok, but I can't see how you put shirokami as scum, he's certainly not got the best filter but he isn't giving of major mafia vibes. The entire idea of this post seems to be that you think they are distancing themselves from each other yet you seem to ignore the possibility that they are actually three separate players, not a team.

All your other posts are very short, generally 1 or 2 liners, not good. You're coming off as one of the more scummy ones here.

nobodywonder:

Your filter is better, you post actively and aren't afraid to question people and put forward arguments, although you did get a little erratic at times.

Not much more to say, I have a null read on you at the moment.

VayneAuthority:

Well, you're getting a lot of heat for doing shit like not explaining reasons and going for a no lynch, which was just a bad idea. Your post history isn't the best but I think you're just some strange town that does things his own way, I I'll hold out until day 2 when you may give us some information.

Seriously, you need to speak up.

shiromaki:

man, you lurked way to much d1, when you came in you started some talking which is good but it still wasn't really close to what I was expecting to hear, still holding judgement but at the moment you just look like some scummy town.

Sugarfluff:

Your filter is really not very good, you really don't have many posts at all, the majority of them were concerning Vayne, which is a common topic and a relatively easy way of getting out of lurking without posting too much original content. Your entire post concerning Calgar and kirby relies on them being scumbuddies, what read do you have on them as individuals?

SpicyDinosaur:

You posted some bland stuff at the beginning about lurkers, like quite a few of us, then you focus on me because I vote Jarjar when trying to get him to post and that is about the basis of your argument. More stuff on vayne, blah blah, then we get to your replies to Hydra's post, Hydra to me had one of the best analysis posts yet and you slam it, saying it's off the rails completely, he put some excellent points into his analysis of you and I agree with him, you come off as scummy under analysis.

I'll do some more of you guys when I get the chance, I only have a short time in which I can write lengthier posts like this as I'm relatively busy.