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On April 14 2013 03:53 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 14 2013 03:48 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
None of that is indicative of anything whatsoever, Mocsta; CC and I have been talking throughout this conversation you've been having with him.
He's just writing stuff, possibly while high, and we have slightly differing views on what your conversation has meant thus far.
Let me go through it with you though, since you don't seem to understand his point of view:
First CC thought you were scummy, now he thinks you're town.
The quote where he says he never thought you were town? He meant before, you know, when he thought you were scummy.
What's the deal with you attempting to turn everything we say around on us though? I can't be sure of what CC thinks of you right now, but you've been null-leaning scum for me for ages, including now.
Just for clarification: I've (CC) been posting everything, and that one right up there ^ is Wave. We've been talking a lot about Mocsta. I thought he was suspect, then he explained a little, and i thought he wasn't anymore. Then Wave was like "Hey CC, that's probably scum Mocsta brohan"
Interesting; I was dead certain I have been dialoguing with Wave this whole time.
Until your other half spewed out "totes town"
Doesnt matter though: because Im not evaluating who said what. I am evaluating what the hydra said.
And that has been quite clear.
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On April 14 2013 03:51 ShotgunBiceps wrote:
Mock - what part of those quotes from CC are scummy? All that shows is that he changed his mind over time, which is completely non-allignment indicative.
This is the second really questionable read you're using this game. The first being a buddying read that you justified as legitimate since I used it once in a game I played almost a year ago (and my 2nd normal game to boot).
Shotgun; have you been reading the whole conversation or just that final post with a vote?
Secondly, what I chose to elucidate clearly demonstrates a mindset that has not changed its mind over time.
There has been zero critical thought other than "my brain: something in there".
I pressured him for justification and he reciprocates by calling me town/watever.
Now they are blaming it on differeing thoughts between the two slots.
*Yet, say they have been talking about it themselves in the QT incessantly*
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As for your second comment. I don't know about the buddying read specifically; but you pinged my alarms early on too. So get over yourself.
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On April 14 2013 03:58 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
A WILD WAVEOFSHADOW ENTERS DA THREAD
WHAT WILL MOCSTA DO?
FIGHT
POKEBALL
RUN
I FORGET THE OPTIONS I HAVEN'T PLAYED THAT GAME IN YEARS
Hes going to sleep. And im very content with where "our" vote is.
Regardless; I have said my piece, and laid my out my vote.
Won't comment any further till I have had a chance to discuss with my other slot.
Night.
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On April 14 2013 04:02 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
Then you quoted something completely out of context that said you were totes town.
No, nothing was out of context.
On April 14 2013 03:48 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
Mocsta; CC and I have been talking throughout this conversation you've been having with him. On April 14 2013 03:53 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
We've been talking a lot about Mocsta.
Whether you are in agreement or not; you both are clearly in sync with each others stance via the active QT discussion regarding MA.
So no "totes town" was not taken out of context; and is a direct by product of the on-going dialogue between whoever I was speaking to for the past 2 hrs.
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Seriously dude. Im assuming you haven't read the thread, as this has been covered in conversation with Rayn.
Short story: That was all GK. I cant answer that for him - so you will just have to wait for him to come online.
All I can say is in my opinion, I didn't like the way you guys handled the pursuit of VE. I liked the stuff that came after, and thats why my read changed. I don't see why anything more than that is of importance.
Further, I don't think you are confirmed town, or probably town. I said, i dont think you guys are scum. And I used a heuristic based on what I deem to be town Hapa play. There is no corollary that, that deems you as town. FULL STOP.
I will admit that personally, I thought the heuristic to call Wave cheese based on the "arousal" post was stupid though.
Anyways, night.
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On April 14 2013 04:12 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 14 2013 04:10 MockArmor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 04:02 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
Then you quoted something completely out of context that said you were totes town. No, nothing was out of context. Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 03:48 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
Mocsta; CC and I have been talking throughout this conversation you've been having with him. Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 03:53 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
We've been talking a lot about Mocsta. Whether you are in agreement or not; you both are clearly in sync with each others stance via the active QT discussion regarding MA. So no "totes town" was not taken out of context; and is a direct by product of the on-going dialogue between whoever I was speaking to for the past 2 hrs. Can you not read? On April 14 2013 03:19 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
Lol I'm so high. CC420... Anyway, Mocsta, you're making it really black and white; like I thought you were totes scum and now I think you're totes town. In other words, that's what you're making it look like.
Yeah ok, i understand your point regarding context.
Im going to bed; will review once GK has had a look.
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On April 14 2013 06:36 FiveTouch wrote:
I would add that if the town nuke is outside of marv/VE, Palmar/DP, and sand/syllo, then it's actually extremely likely they'd be able to shoot tomorrow.
~marv
Marv dear.
I'm a simple minded man, and trying to wrap my ahead around this. Please assist.
Does the above suggest that is it extremely likely that "FT" / "JM" / "SLJ" are town.
As, I can not wrap my head around why else they would be valid NK targets worthy of discussion so early into Day1.
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@WaveofCheesecake:
I believe you said something about "waiting" for me? I'm here, so fire away.
Your entire case for MockArmor being scum was for "shifting our read on Hapa from scum to town," or something like that.
In reality I made it a point to call out Hapa for what I perceived as buddying with potential scum motive. What caught my eye is as town Hapa must have more justification for his read. The way he thought you were town with such little justification didn't make sense to me from a town persepective. Hapa then satisfactorily justified his townread to me. I had been through the rest of his filter and seen nothing else that was suspicious. So with that clarification, I moved on. Sure an FOS is a flimsier version of an actual vote, but what I was pursuing was one suspicious point. It wasn't enough to vote him for without further investigation.
Like what were you expecting? Right after my exchange with Hapa I'd be like, "Before I thought you were totes scum (which wasn't the case), now I think you're totes town (Which isn't the case either. Definitely leaning town on Hapa, but he's nowhere near "confirmed town" to me or anything...). Didn't you criticize my counterpart for the exact same thing?:
On April 14 2013 03:19 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
Lol I'm so high. CC420... Anyway, Mocsta, you're making it really black and white; like I thought you were totes scum and now I think you're totes town.
So here's a question for you:
Would you care to "expound" on this Rayne read of yours? Plenty of time has past and from what I've seen you've still been caught up on your exchange with Mocsta. I understand to some extent "waiting" for people like me, but why even bother posting if you're not going to help contribute meaningfully to discussion? More on that in a little bit...
Posting the quote as a reminder:
On April 14 2013 02:43 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 02:35 MockArmor wrote:On April 14 2013 02:24 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 14 2013 02:17 MockArmor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 01:59 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 14 2013 00:02 MockArmor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2013 23:54 raynmaster wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 13 2013 23:47 MockArmor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2013 23:42 raynmaster wrote:On April 13 2013 23:35 MockArmor wrote:On April 13 2013 23:19 SamuelLJackson wrote:
Mocsta you didn't answer my question. Why did you attempt to make a big deal out of a person posting something that in essence looked like a confirmation post and a post implying that he was going to bed? The complaint in general feels false given that the game had just started and it doesn't seem like you could have genuinely felt frustrated by the state of things at the time of the post. The question should not be addressed to Mocsta. Regardless; I have been content with the posting of my partner.. I also believe the post you have chosen to bring attention is, contains a valid opinion of thread sentiment. Rather, I think it is you, who is choosing to elucidate matters of the minutiae to the fore. Why would you not want a player you are talking to in the first place to answer? Are you gonna try to get out of bad spot by letting your partner to answer a question directed to someone else? /rayn That answer was clearly written by Mocsta. As is this response. What is your point? Are you suggesting that I am able to elucidate the inate thoughts of GoodKarma at the time of writing? What i do know is that the post in question, shared the same sentiments I felt at the time. The thread was too spammy; too crazy; and too emotional. Hey do you have any reads? Or expand on your hapa read please. Yes, we have reads. To expand on Hapa: We don't perceive him as scum; nor an entity to invest further time into this cycle. + Show Spoiler +
In my opinion, town Hapa is quick to jump to conclusions, and just as quick to re-evaluate his reads and make his current stance visible. I think that occured today.
Well, you go through the trouble of digging up something potentially scummy from Hapa and question him about it. After a few hours of lurking, you guys suddenly come to the conclusion that Hapa is probably town (or something to that effect) and deem him no longer worthy of pursing today. I understand the stance, but what I don't understand is why, if you have initial suspicions of Hapa, that you're willing to let him off the hook so easily and not entertain the possibility of investigating him this cycle. Firstly, you have a keen enough eye to pay attention to our posts; yet, are not observant enough to notice that the early pressure on Hapa was solely GK. FYI, I entered the thread roughly 4 hours, caught up; gave my reads to GK. Let me quote him hhaha (cos i was surprised too) "I agree ironically with pretty much everything you've said".
Secondly, you have a very strong choice of words here Wave. "let him off the hook so easily" // "a few hours of lurking"; if I didnt know better, I would think you are calling me scum. Yet, I do not see a vote or a case for the accountability I was talking about earlier. To answer your question; I didnt think a ##FoS was hard pressure; thus enabling "letting off the hook easily".
Thirdly, (to address the crux of your concerns) you present your opinion as if reads are not subject to change. Why is this?I explained why I let Hapa off the hook in short. You still have not explained in detail what the dispute is?
Lastly, "I understand the stance" what does this actually mean? I'm not calling you scum, nor do I believe you are at this stage. [red]My point remains that FoS's in general are very noncomittal and, if you are scum, that is your way out, and the brief clause you provided to claim Hapa = town was fairly generic in flow with the thread. "I understand the stance" = I know what your stance is on Hapa currently. MA, what's your read on Rayn after all the "AHMIGERD GIMME READS" stuff? Thank you for admitting: you are looking purely at the action (FoS). It doesnt matter what you think it "scummy in general'. What matters is whether you think GK motives were scummy. Lets apply some critical thought: Do you think the manner GK maintained dialogue is indicative of someone trying to be non-committal; someone trying not to discern alignment; someone not trying to figure out the game? ------------------------------------------- Secondly, and the brief clause you provided to claim Hapa = town was fairly generic in flow with the thread. Are you suggesting, because I happen to agree with a 'flow in the thread' that I become scummish in conjuction with an old FoS? Are you suggesting, it is scummy for reads to be re-evaluated? ------------------------------------------- Lastly, I am still waiting for Rayn to reply back. Dialogue onus is currently on him. What do you make of Rayn; since you seem to be carrying his torch. - I do believe he was the one that questioned me originally regarding Hapa, ironically telling me we had voted him; when in fact it was just an FoS. I am suggesting that scum tend to re-evaluate their 'reads' very quickly. Reading your filter it seemed like 'shit, Hapa totes suspicious", then a post or two later was 'nah, Hapa probs town". I think you've cleared it up nicely, however. In terms of Raynmaster, he seems to jump on things really quickly. In your discourse with him (fuck, did I just use the word discourse?) I believe he came off scummier. Will expound in time.
-GK
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So some of the posts that have stuck out for me, as previously promised.:
On April 14 2013 04:54 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 04:52 FondleMyButtocks wrote:On April 14 2013 02:41 SamuelLJackson wrote:FondleMyButtocks looks suspicious. His bigger posts look constructed rather than free flowing and he isn't doing anything with his few other posts. Going after Vivax/kush hydra is fine, but his reasons look forced to me. On April 13 2013 21:16 FondleMyButtocks wrote:On April 13 2013 08:40 VIVAX420 wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote MockArmor
Almost forgot that the guy found joining the pre-game banter funny but when the game started he didn't feel that much like joking. Must be discussing stuff elsewhere! the soft calling of someone as scum through the idea of 'posting somewhere else' of course they are posting somewhere else. I got a qt in my role pm. You got a qt too. We all did, its a hydra game! Stupid way to phrase this, it feels like over justification. It's not "soft calling" when you throw your vote down and stupid does not equal mafia. It was a short, semi serious early game vote post with only one justification. Not at all an "over justification", there was only one reason for the vote. His other reasons for finding vivax420 suspicious look similarly manufactured. The way he words his case and frames vivax420's posts overall does not feel genuine and open-minded (e.g. "supposed to be 420's concise thoughts", "even gives us a lynchable list"). The random comment about wanting to "almost" lynch GK for tradition's sake also looks like kind of fluff mafia likes to add to their post. Phagga are you going to write that mockarmor case? Nope, not gonna write it. At the time when i said that to prom it was about how I felt that GKs posts were constructed, and missing pretty much the free flow that you also accuse prom of lacking. However, after rereading his filter in CT I was reminded that this just seems to be the way he posts. Also, Mocsta has since then added a lot to their filter, and I don't see how their behaviour is pushing a scum agenda. reading up on some filters, will post more in the next hour. Also, I wonder where NeutralSrvivingBalrog is. I'll reread some stuff and I'll be back with a few thoughts in the next hour. What is a scum agenda before the 24h mark of a game? I've never been scum so I'm not really sure. Can anyone enlighten me?
Comments like this. Like maybe in a normal mafia game where no one can communicate with each other could I see this, but in a hydra game where you have a buddy to tell you this shit there's NO EXCUSE for shitting up the thread with this.
You then go on to post even more meaningless crap that isn't scumhunting.:
On April 14 2013 10:48 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 10:46 kushm4sta wrote:
WOW no you are going to continue to push MA? please please don't. Your back and forth shit up the thread so bad today. Do you realize how unpleasant it is trying to read through that? lol I will do whatever the fuck I want. Besides the shitting up the thread part is usually on Mocsta's head, not mine. I want GK. Do you realize how scummy it sounds when you ask me to not to pressure my scumread?
Hi there. I'm WaveofCheesecake. Oh darn my scumread's not here. Need to keep waiting for him instead of expounding on Rayne who I've conveniently forgotten... THERE'S NO SCUMHUNTING HERE. This was actually done twice in quick succession. Only like a few minutes prior.:
On April 14 2013 10:43 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 07:08 VIVAX420 wrote:
ger use smurf!
but I like how you pointed out that pushing a mislynch on hapa line. that is a scumslip imo. lolwut? First of all that 'scumslip' was CC, not me. Second of all, wut? Third of all, oh boy, I get to look forward to Geript's shit scum reads on me all game long again that are based on absolutely nothing JUST for a change of pace from like, every other game I've been in with him. Does Yamato know you voted me? Trust me geript, my heart is in it as much as it can be right now. GK isn't back so there's nothing for me to continue to push atm but I will. Good to see you've put a lot of effort into your read on me though.
Like, you know, maybe pursue Rayne or some of those other scumreads you must have while you wait? You're doing a darn good job of remaining active in thread while not contributing much of anything except maybe a few points here and there in your own defense...
Instead, let's make more pointless posts.:
On April 14 2013 11:03 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 11:02 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
Kush does look the townier of the two in this exchange, however.
WoC, why should we NOT lynch you? Because we're town, obvs.
O rly? Clearly you're town. Because you're like SO acting like it... If you plan on convincing us you're town you'd better start actually pushing cases and scumreads. Instead of shitting up thread and "waiting" on people, be it your partner or a scumread. There's three scum right now, and you should have no problem posting stuff without first consulting your partner, so there's like zero reason why as town you should feel compelled to behave as you guys are right now.
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On April 14 2013 13:18 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
You don't want me shitting up the thread? Posting random reads on other people like that giant fucking summary post seems a lot shittier to me than what I've been doing, and I don't feel like making random reads/lists just because someone doesn't feel I've done enough to them.
[/b]If you feel so strongly about this; why have you not pursued the giant fucking summary post originator?
Instead you continue to make posts saying: Im playing with my dick in the thread, because GK isn't here.
As GK said, there are 3 scum in the game. OK, you have us as a scum read, awesome. If we are not present; why are you not trying to put effort into looking for the other 2.
Further, so it is CC who has a scum read on Rayn; no worries, I can wait for that.
What is *your* opinion on Rayn.
(moc)
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On April 14 2013 14:14 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
Actually fuck it, I'll post the short form without proof atm; that'll have to be enough for now. If my meta reads are still shit then they're shit but that's why I wanted to hear more from GK---I'm not 100% cemented on my scumread/meta read and I was hoping GK could confirm in for me one way or another, which it hasn't. I am still waiting for specifically what is your problem. It has been expressed quite clearly where our transition of thought with Hapa occurred. You are the one who has made no effort to quantify your question in a manner which will elicit the response you ?seek?.
In short, two things. At the time of be making my meta case, Mocsta had already posted a ton without calling anyone scummy; just making careful posts and not giving a solid read on anyone. This is indicative of his early game scum play from both NMM 37 and Hydra I. As town he throws out reads left and right constantly and ACTUALLY MAKES CASES to follow up with his reads and endless lines of questioning, which he hasn't done here. He votes for us here without actually even calling us scum---obviously amounts to the same thing but rubs me the wrong way. This is plain silly, and indicative of someone making a lazy read by request.
I came into the thread, saying how shit it is. People were too emotional; and too spammy. So, you are calling me scum for trying to bring the thread back to a modicum of decency. Is that correct?
Further, my lines of questions, whether to Rayn, yourself, or whoever; clearly indicate a mindset attempting to figure out alignments.
Another random interesting meta tidbit to mention is Mocsta often enters a thread with much fanfare and hysteria, regardless of alignment (though MORE likely to do so as town.)
Hydra mini I (scum) - was there when the game started, lots of trolling, lots of joking around.
The Game (town) - replaced sandro after a day or so, lots of joking, calling people scum, whatnot.
Nomination (town) - jovial lighthearted posting style, throwing votes and shit around at game entry.
NMM 37 (scum) - Enters the thread with lighthearted tone and RNG fluff. So you have elucidated that Mocsta, whether town or scum, is more than capable of being "loud". Considering none of the examples above correlate with a "serious" Mocsta; where is the connection for this to be scum. Why are you trying so hard to meld together "tells" as purely indicative of scum; and not actually trying to devine a genuine alignment - that considers town or scum motivation?
This game he was not around when the game started, and you'll notice he did NOT joke around at all, rather he got supersrs right from the get-go. I believe this is because entering a game late as scum, he missed the 'permissible first few hours joking-around period' and doesn't want to start fooling around when people are actually having discussion for fear he will look scummy for trying to derail. NOTE: He had NO problem joking around in the middle of The Game when he entered because he was town and had no reason to be afraid or look guilty. This is already debunked by my response above; as you immediately jump to a scum conclusion.
One fact you seem to not have incorporated in any of your heuristics is that this game is a HYDRA.
Thus, I, nor many of the others will be posting to our prototypical meta.
We have someone else to bounce our reads off / discuss thread sentiment etc. This *should* allow for a much more levle-headed, critical thinking playstyle.
The items you accuse me of above; in which you instantly force yourself to scum conclusions. Ironically I believe point out a mindset much more indicative of tonie rationalisation and thought.
Make of this case what you will for now. I might be able to expand on it further with better proof (especially since people are unlikely to go sifting through his meta themselves). CC was asking me to post this much earlier when the discussion was happening but I didn't want to derail trying to learn what I could at the time. I figure it's better out than in right now especially given thread sentiment. I'm going to attempt to study then go to bed but I might be able to check back on the thread a couple more times. Whilst I appreciate the effort to take acountability.
This "case" is extremely weak; and does not read with the conviction of someone who has critically thought about the player in question.
CC; I still wait your feedback on Raynmaster.
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On April 14 2013 18:30 raynmaster wrote:
I feel that MA is misinterpreting WoC's push on him and that WoC looks like he wants to find out MA's alignment but MA isnt doing any of that sort himself. He is so closed up and prickly. No jokes and shit.
Im curious about how this conclusion was derived.
Im not going to argue you about WoC trying to ascertain MA alignment. - That is your opinion.
But I would like to know why you are confident stating I was not trying to ascertain WoC alignment.
Your last sentence, gives me the impression you concur with WoC meta on me; whereby, serious Mocsta indicates scum. Correct?
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On April 14 2013 20:11 raynmaster wrote:
Mocsta, what is your infatuation with saying how something could be townie as well? Practically everything a townie posts can be construed as scummy and practically everything a scum posts can be construed as townie. That is basically the basis for your argument, 'why do you not look at the town perspective???'. Why dont you tell us the town perspective? Oats, you are better than this. Why are you trying to debate with me the contents of "Incognito "How to play mafia" guide. Is this truly the best argument you can mount.
You still didnt answer why townies want to withhold reads btw. I did sir.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406683¤tpage=30#589
It is not my concern if you disagree. A townie does need to be transparent; but there is also "too much of a good thing". When I want my scum reads to be known; they will be known. As was the case with WoC.
At no point did MA allude to lurking until lynch deadline to feign interest and accountability. So your point is a personal issue of "how to play" the early game. Agreeing with you, or disagreeing with you on personal ideals such as the above is *only* indicative of a null alignment.
Your basis is moot.
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I was never requested for my reads.
You asked.. Do i have reads. I said yes I do.
You then asked me to update the MA read on Hapa, which I happily obliged.
The questions were answered in its entirety.
Stop shitting up the thread; your counterpart asked a stupid question, and got a stupid answer.
I will give out my reads when I want to. Syllo gave a similar response earlier, and you didnt try to lambaste him for it.
P.S. Im still waiting for Raynpelikoneet to respond to my questions from last night.
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Oats,
Im saying this one last time.
Your qualm is due to differing paradigms in how to play.
I disagree with you; you disagree with me.
Whatever, im not commenting on this anymore. If you want to continue to call me scum; man up and build a real case.
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On April 14 2013 21:46 John Matrix wrote:
Also I want MA to discuss things with me. I find it strange they havn't interacted with me at all really.
-DP What did you have in mind.
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raynpeli
No I'm accusing you of trying to contribute in the thread without providing accountability. This is because your entire dialogue with your "scum read" is subject to change pending on discussion with oats.
That's bullshit. Full stop.
Further, the exchange with *your/raynpeli* scum read, five touch. Does not even read as if you are talking to someone you are suspicious of.
Thirdly. Let's pretend you were genuinely suspicious of five touch. Why the need to consult with oats regarding your scum read. You should be engaging and probing fiveotuch as much as you can. Instead you are reaponding to questions he asking of you. In addition to hiding all accountability behind oats.
This is scummy shit, and again the whole exchange does not read to me as if you are talking to a scum read.
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On April 15 2013 03:51 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
Hey guys. I'm attempting to catch up with the thread here but I'm casting in 10 minutes so I may not make it back in time for deadline if it goes 3 games.
For now, going to follow thread sentiment and vote FMB. I'm sorry I can't give much more than this atm, hopefully he flips red.
At the very least CC and I at least discussed him a little;' I know I personally thought his argument about how MA wasn't pushing a scum agenda was kinda stupid (it's somewhere back in my filter I think). If I get back with enough time before deadline I'll read into it more critically but this is it for now.
##Vote: FondleMyButtocks
I mean, this guy hasn't really made any cases, pops in and says "Hi guys! I'll vote for the leader. Kthx bye!"
He says nothing of what he thinks about FMB here. He just throws down a vote and afks... He doesn't followup at all on his reads on Rayne or myself...
This guy shows no real investment in the game...
I mean FMB's definitely scummy looking, but at its heart it feels more like a lurker lynch than anything else... And lurker lynches are stupidly easy for scum to get behind without real fallout later. It just doesn't make sense to me in a game where we could hypothetically have day 2 LYLO that we're pretty much policy lurker lynching someone.
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P.S.:
This is GK. In case you were wondering. my counterpart did all the Rayne pressuring yesterday. Mocsta said he probably won't be back before the deadline.
However, I will be here for it and am ready to move our vote for consolidation if need be.
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