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Ghor
Russian Federation140 Posts
But ghor not see as deflect lynch, but see it as diluition (maybe that also deflect, but all semantics). Ghor see as lack of motivation to push scumreads, and give many null and useless reads, coupled with bad reason to defend risk. Sylencia lack of push, lack of gaining more information, lack of talking about risk with ghor. rest all in filter. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9639 Posts
Perfect count Risk.Nuke ( 2 ): VisceraEyes ( 0 ): Sylencia ( 1 ): Mr. CheeseCake ( 0 ): Ghor ( 0 ): Hopeless1der ( 1 ): VisceraEyes Not Voting ( 5 ): AxleGreaser, Risk.Nuke, LazerMonkey, Mr. Cheesecake, Sylencia With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. This is instant majority lynch. If you see a mistake please notify us. | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
On April 03 2013 02:29 Ghor wrote: Ghor would like risk to specify what he think back then: April 02 2013 09:50 No want lynch RoL for kenpachi rule.RoL votes for risk cause he not follow his own argument. April 02 2013 10:44. Risk say argument legit, but not explain why not follow it. April 02 2013 10:59 Summary: Risk believe in kenpachi rule. Does not want lynch RoL for it. Say he would be scum for following it when he actually should since he say argument stronk, he use his mistake as WIFOM argument that he not scum, cause if scum he attack RoL. But if he town why believe argument stronk and not follow? Ghor think risk scare of attacking RoL back then, but scare to say his kenpachi argument bad.ghor not understand from town perspective. explain to ghor what risk thinks please, ghor not see enough reason to let off from risk. scuuummy play does not go away. I didn't say I believed in the Kenpachi Rule. Viscera asked me if I thought RoL was scum from the Kenpachi Rule. I said no. I don't use methods like the Kenpachi Method or Meta to catch scum. Yet they work but I don't trust them, It's hard to explain. As mafia I could had said I thought the argument was strong and if it ended up in you not being convinced it was the only thing you could judge me for is having a different opinion then you about the Kenpachi Rule. | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
On April 03 2013 01:09 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: @Axle You're quite all over the place. Give me something to work with here. Who should we lynch today, based on current posts? Make a stance, because I can't seem to understand what exactly it is you're thinking. You ask a metric fuckton of questions, but they don't seem to be furthing your reads at all. Sorry about being all over the place. I wanted data, not a 1 early wagon and a basically silent day. From my point of view it(the risk incident) is a little odd and I get conflicting reads. There was either lot of bad play or there is scum in there some where. I have made some progress in clarifying those conflicts. I also had the problem that i thought the 3 votes by such influential players would let scum if they were still out there sit around comfortably, as the remaining townies would also just drop into lurk mode thinking the lynch was set. Also even if risk was scum then the remaining scum player would likewise go to ground. All possibilities were from viewpoint less than ideal. So I wanted to shake stuff up, hence voting Syl, who I legitimately voted because I thought of the lurkers Syl would be the next lurker to get home from work. I have also read a bit of Syls meta over time and I was also worried Syl might just stay silent and leave us one more unreadable. Sylencia can be true to name and very silent. I also tried to be encouraging about Syls post hoping to get more, .... I also had problems with the wagon itself, One description of the wagon, the description that makes risk.nuke scum is.... is that you directly pressured risk.nuke he coped alright, but then he felt pressured to be productive, and he completely flubbed his push on RoL by pushing when he couldn't say " yes I(risk) have a scumread on RoL (std disclaimer: not strong one because its early) " In contrast when you pushed Risk you did have some reason. Risk pushed then said pretty much said 'no just kidding'. There were various other problems/inconsistencies with his explanations. What really tricks/confuses me out is RoL had pretty much just suggested lynching VE for being bad not scum. "I don't feel like this game getting out of hand spammy and I also hate when one person triggers the "I'm town" bullshit." Why (as either alignment) did risk invoke Kenpachi at all why didn't he just call RoL scum? one explanation that may fit best is; when pressured scum get flustered. My previous reading of risk didn't indicate that might happen. All that happens while still at your 1 vote so its not even like there was a lot of pressure when he chose to say kenpachi. in terms of logic, the explanations from risk that come later also don't bear the consistency marks of truth, they resemble scrambling. However i also really don't like VEs reasoning here, http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18177638 I also don't like that RoL, chose to go from 2 votes to 3 so soon. That looks expedient, I would have thought RoL would be aware of the value of milking the wagon for whatever association tells we could get out of it. I don't know why but I just cant shake the feel read that risk.nuke responses were town motivated, and that all the illogicality of it is just bad play. Now that the wagon has backed of a bit, and thus other people are posting and considering options again, I think I might get some more sleep, its 5am. | ||
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Ghor
Russian Federation140 Posts
On April 03 2013 02:54 risk.nuke wrote: I didn't say I believed in the Kenpachi Rule. Viscera asked me if I thought RoL was scum from the Kenpachi Rule. I said no. I don't use methods like the Kenpachi Method or Meta to catch scum. Yet they work but I don't trust them, It's hard to explain. As mafia I could had said I thought the argument was strong and if it ended up in you not being convinced it was the only thing you could judge me for is having a different opinion then you about the Kenpachi Rule. Ghor not like "as mafia I". It same argument like sylencia's "risk not scum cause he draw attention". It be argument "scum not make mistake", weak argument. Ghor not fully convinced yet, but ghor want see why risk tell his scumread hopeless that it is stupid to think i am scum with risk. ghor would expect town risk to make case against hopeless and push for lynch now that he under fire, not tell him not to do stupid things and stop convincing people. | ||
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Ghor
Russian Federation140 Posts
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
I don't have time now but I'll get back to you on him later. | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
So the reason I didn't want to out my scum read earlier was twofold 1. I wanted a little more basis for my accusations. His entrance into the game was scummy but could just have been a result of him beeing busy rather than scum. 2. I didn't have enough time to write a decent case. Sylencias first 2 posts said absolutely nothing of anything. He then posts a seemingly long post but all it really contains 2 reads, the rest was stuff like calling risk wierd but no conclusion about his alignment. In this post he calls CC scum, VE town, and then proceeds to vote CC. Now it gets interesting! What does he do with this scum read? Jack shit! Instead he goes into this drawn out argument with Ghor about Ghor's case on him. Why do this? Why is he not chasing his scum read instead of defending himself against 1 single vote which isn't threatening at all. Why doesn't he try to convince us that CC is scum? Why does he go from On April 02 2013 18:53 Sylencia wrote:- Cheesecake: This filter looks atrocious in my eyes, casting an early vote with little thought, yet providing no substance while he's around. Not sure if trolling around is his meta but seems pretty scum from here. ToOn April 03 2013 00:10 Sylencia wrote: WITHOUT CC even posting in between??? And then goesIn addition, how is his statement about accuracy there that relevant to what happened before it? Are you suggesting that he said it to set up a bus on his buddy, then you're saying that he did that to say RoL is scum, then retract it? I don't even understand what you're getting at here. And at this point, no, he's played enough games where I don't see him making himself look suspicious 3 hours into the game. The case on him has its merits however I would rather first see more from the two I've heard least from today (Hopeless and CC) - moreso Hopeless because there's ever so slightly more from CC. Ghor - now that I've said it what are your thoughts on risk then? Would you say he is scum or not? Would you end up backing a vote on him if the time came for it? On April 03 2013 00:42 Sylencia wrote: Still without CC saying jack shit? Well I'll tell you folks, because he is scum!In any case ##unvote as I'm going to sleep now, but what Ghor is saying is becoming ridiculously stupid since he says risk is scum but doesn't want to have him killed. If you don't want your scum read to be killed what the hell do you want? If I wake up and this stupidity continues I won't hesitate to vote Ghor. ##Vote: Sylencia | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
On April 03 2013 04:09 VisceraEyes wrote: Eeeerhm... Mind telling why you don't find the case convincing?I won't lynch Sylencia today. I DO want to know who Sylencia wants to lynch. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
Why does his read change have to be scum motivated? | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
On April 03 2013 04:19 VisceraEyes wrote: ???It's not a case, it's an observation that can be summed up as "Sylencia's read of CC has changed from lynchable to unvoting with CC not saying anything in between". I can see a town Sylencia becoming less and less sure of his read without help from CC, that's not scum indicative and it's your only point. Why does his read change have to be scum motivated? Explain why town Sylencia goes from "pretty sure hes scum" to unvote without the guy even says a word? And how he doesn't doesn't pressure his n1 scum read but instead goes on to defend himself against a accusations that weren't even close to killing him. And how he threatens to vote the guy that is stupid in an OMGUS fashion instead of the guy who was "pretty sure he is scum"? Please explain! | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
Risk, may I hear your thoughts on Sylencia? Or anyone elses thoughts on Sylencia? | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
 . Someone talk to me!!! | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
Also, regarding hopeless, my impressiom after reading his filter is that he is a very silly player, a hypocrite and not reading the thread. I am however not sure how that makes him scum. Mind explaining to me like I was 5 years old? | ||
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