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Ghor
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation140 Posts
April 02 2013 17:00 GMT
#241
So hopeless think that if ghor was town with risk as scumread, ghor would accept even hopeless' stupid arguments without critical thinking?
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VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
April 02 2013 17:02 GMT
#242
For what it's worth I'm with Ghor here. Your scumslip was not really a scumslip and added nothing to the conversation about risk.nuke's play.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
April 02 2013 17:12 GMT
#243
okay well you know my reads, so i'm not sure what else I should do, other than shit a confirmation bias-conspiracy theory giant case on the thread.
Ghor
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation140 Posts
April 02 2013 17:15 GMT
#244
On April 03 2013 02:12 Hopeless1der wrote:
okay well you know my reads, so i'm not sure what else I should do, other than shit a confirmation bias-conspiracy theory giant case on the thread.


Hopeless can answer question. Why he think ghor scum for pointing out hopeless wrong argument against nuke?
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Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
April 02 2013 17:17 GMT
#245
On April 03 2013 02:15 Ghor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2013 02:12 Hopeless1der wrote:
okay well you know my reads, so i'm not sure what else I should do, other than shit a confirmation bias-conspiracy theory giant case on the thread.


Hopeless can answer question. Why he think ghor scum for pointing out hopeless wrong argument against nuke?

To sweep it under the rug and prevent people from catching on to it.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
April 02 2013 17:19 GMT
#246
And what do you think of me for also not agreeing with your assessment of the "scumslip" Hopeless? Because I think it's bogus too. Am I scum just trying "to sweep it under the rug"?
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
April 02 2013 17:19 GMT
#247
On April 03 2013 01:53 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2013 01:49 Hopeless1der wrote:
CC, the difference is I've presented them as teammates, not Scum A and Scum B


I thought the connection between syl and risk was implied in Ghors post. Scum Risk under pressure ---> scum syl deflects said pressure by voting me. Is it not the same thing you are implying about ghor? Scum Risk under pressure ---> Scum ghor deflects said pressure by voting Syl.

Hopeless why don't you read. If you've actually read ghors posts you would understand how ridiculous the implication that we're scumbuddies together are.

RoL. This is a nine player game, I wont tolerate anyone slacking of saying they'll lurk and promise to comment on what we post later, it's a playstyle ill-suited for a small game. I want to hear thoughts from you.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
April 02 2013 17:21 GMT
#248
On April 03 2013 02:19 VisceraEyes wrote:
And what do you think of me for also not agreeing with your assessment of the "scumslip" Hopeless? Because I think it's bogus too. Am I scum just trying "to sweep it under the rug"?

Yes, you're scum too VE
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
April 02 2013 17:23 GMT
#249
For anyone wondering what the issue is with Hopeless, let me lay it out for you.

This post asserts that he is suspect of Risk, and thinks he could be scum.

+ Show Spoiler +
On April 02 2013 10:49 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2013 10:44 risk.nuke wrote:
On April 02 2013 10:29 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
##unvote: VE
##Vote: Risk.nuke

It's like you brought up the Kenpachi rule just to see if someone else was willing to run with it and kill me. Wanting townies to do your work for you?

Why would I fake a perfectly legit argument?

Show nested quote +
On April 02 2013 09:50 risk.nuke wrote:
On April 02 2013 09:47 VisceraEyes wrote:
On April 02 2013 09:45 risk.nuke wrote:
VE, RoL. If you're going to tunnel-bitch-argue in the thread atleast argue about something remotely relevant.

If you're going to criticize me for anything, you should answer questions posed of you first. Do you think RoL is scum for "contesting" my "claim" a la Kenpachi Rule?

No I don't.

Doesn't seem all that legit to me.



Show nested quote +
On April 02 2013 08:44 risk.nuke wrote:
On April 02 2013 08:39 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On April 02 2013 08:37 risk.nuke wrote:
Worst vote ever.


On the contrary, best vote ever.

I would argue that putting your vote on a townie is greatly suboptimal.

Also, scumslip in that he knows CC is town.


These posts ask for Ghor's opinion of Risk.

+ Show Spoiler +
On April 03 2013 00:11 Hopeless1der wrote:
ghor, do you think risk is scum?



On April 03 2013 00:25 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2013 00:18 Ghor wrote:
Ghor not understand why people ask questions about risk, people not read properly ghor posts?read thread then come back with good question please.

only update is ghor not think RoL that scummy any more, but not like initial play. now better.

risk talk about fluff after he say he not like doing content of his fluff (policy).
his defense, bad, he contradict.

##Vote: Ghor
Do you think risk.nuke is scum?


Here's where it gets interesting:

-snip-
Ghor is annoying as all hell and his intentions behind voting sylencia do not match with his scum read on risk.nuke. He wants sylencia to commit to some type of a read on risk and when he refuses to do so, calls him scum for it. No where does he validate why this is scummy. Combine that with what appears to be a trolling smurf hellbent on behaving like a caveman, and I think he's a good choice for lynch.


Nowhere in this post does Hopeless assert that Risk is scum, he just pushes Ghor for the lynch. He doesn't meditate on scumteams, or why Ghor was doing what he was doing as scum with risk.

Yes, but by that logic any two players could be scum. ghor seemingly had a limited read on sylencia and was trying to develop one based on sylencia's response to risk's filter and the surrounding discussion. Sylencia "failed" whatever Ghor's criteria was, but during the whole process, ghor isn't really pushing risk nuke at all, he's needling away at sylencia, someone who maintains that he can see both sides of the coin and is hesitant to commit.

Calling them both scum would involve tying the non-commital stance to a scum motive, something that ghor has neglected. Its a very straightforward thing to say, but he doesn't do it. I don't think he's legitimately trying to push for risk's lynch because I believe ghor and risk.nuke are the scum team. His pushing sylencia as risk`s teammate doesnt make sense because we should just lynch risk in that case, theres enough support for it. Why bother introducing a new candidate?


Now, Hopeless believes that calling Syl/risk both the scumteam would be the town thing to do by ghor, but instead he tiptoes, and that's why Ghor and risk are the scumteam. However, in the second bolded, he asserts that Ghor and Risk are the scumteam... Why didn't Hopeless tell us this prior?. Pushing Ghor as risks teammate makes no sense, and he never came right out and said it (which would have been the townie thing to do, according to him). Hopelesses logic is full of holes because he is saying Ghor is scum for the exact same thing he is doing.

Breaking it down:

> Ghor calls out Syl for deflecting pressure off Risk.
>Hopeless calls out Ghor for believing they (both syl+risk) are both the scumteam and not just voting Risk instead of bringing up a new candidate.
>Hopeless pushes Ghor for this.
>Hopeless then asserts that Ghor and Risk are the scumteam.

^ Logic is so messy. If Hopeless believed Risk was scum -> why not just lynch him, do what you advocated and not switch targets? Instead, he decides to fling shit at Risk but not vote him, and then vote Ghor when he thinks Ghor / Risk scumteam.

I'm still confused by it.

He pulls this out of his ass under pressure.

I want to hear from Risk first. He's a pivotal person in this entire business.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
April 02 2013 17:23 GMT
#250
You heard it here first people...risk.nuke/Ghor/VE scumteam in 9 player game.

God can you imagine how fucked you guys would be? LYLO D2 LMAO
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
April 02 2013 17:27 GMT
#251
On April 03 2013 02:23 VisceraEyes wrote:
You heard it here first people...risk.nuke/Ghor/VE scumteam in 9 player game.

God can you imagine how fucked you guys would be? LYLO D2 LMAO

/sarcasm?
Ghor
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation140 Posts
April 02 2013 17:29 GMT
#252
Ghor would like risk to specify what he think back then:

April 02 2013 09:50
No I don't.


No want lynch RoL for kenpachi rule.RoL votes for risk cause he not follow his own argument.

April 02 2013 10:44.
Why would I fake a perfectly legit argument?


Risk say argument legit, but not explain why not follow it.

April 02 2013 10:59
If I was scum I could just have claimed I believe strongly in the Kenpachi rule and talked about it's high accuracy and incriminated RoL for it. I would legitly look as if I were scumhunting and doing stuff at the same time as I would be pushing my mafia agenda.

Instead I told the truth of what I believed in which made me look worse. Why did I do that, because I am mafia and retarded or because I am town and interested in finding scum, not just looking like I'm trying to find scum.


Summary:

Risk believe in kenpachi rule. Does not want lynch RoL for it.
Say he would be scum for following it when he actually should since he say argument stronk, he use his mistake as WIFOM argument that he not scum, cause if scum he attack RoL.
But if he town why believe argument stronk and not follow?

Ghor think risk scare of attacking RoL back then, but scare to say his kenpachi argument bad.ghor not understand from town perspective.

explain to ghor what risk thinks please, ghor not see enough reason to let off from risk. scuuummy play does not go away.
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VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
April 02 2013 17:29 GMT
#253
A three man scumteam is laughable in a 9 player game Hopeless, yes /sarcasm.

/facepalm
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
April 02 2013 17:31 GMT
#254
On April 03 2013 02:29 VisceraEyes wrote:
A three man scumteam is laughable in a 9 player game Hopeless, yes /sarcasm.

/facepalm


I thought this game was 3 scum, KP = # of scum rounded up.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Ghor
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation140 Posts
April 02 2013 17:31 GMT
#255
Ghor did not call out syl for deflecting pressure. Ghor called out syl for many reason, starting with big post. Only two line about scumread, many line about other read. No strong opinion on risk. Go read.

Then syl go away when scumread back. Syl not want argue about risk's early actions, hopeless interfere, he say me scum for trying look for scum outside of risk.
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VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
April 02 2013 17:33 GMT
#256
6v3 - Mislynch
5v3 - NK
4v3 <-LYLO

In order to avoid LYLO on DAY TWO we'd have to lynch scum on D1. That makes game incredibly unbalanced. We're looking for 2 people not 3.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
April 02 2013 17:34 GMT
#257
On April 03 2013 02:31 Ghor wrote:
Ghor did not call out syl for deflecting pressure. Ghor called out syl for many reason, starting with big post. Only two line about scumread, many line about other read. No strong opinion on risk. Go read.

Then syl go away when scumread back. Syl not want argue about risk's early actions, hopeless interfere, he say me scum for trying look for scum outside of risk.


On April 02 2013 23:11 Ghor wrote:
Sylencia spend more time talking about everyone except main scumread.


????????????????????
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
April 02 2013 17:34 GMT
#258
On April 03 2013 02:33 VisceraEyes wrote:
6v3 - Mislynch
5v3 - NK
4v3 <-LYLO

In order to avoid LYLO on DAY TWO we'd have to lynch scum on D1. That makes game incredibly unbalanced. We're looking for 2 people not 3.


You know I'm kidding right...
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
April 02 2013 17:36 GMT
#259
No I didn't. You didn't use the [/humor] tags. l2BB bro.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
April 02 2013 17:36 GMT
#260
Ghor please explain that shit because that would be the definition of deflecting pressure. Syl didn't talk much about scumreads (risk) but instead talked about other people.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
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