TL Mafia LXI - Page 253

On May 07 2013 13:35 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
thats only some of the really terrible shit you have in your filter. You are full of posts that scream "im scum lynch me"

On April 29 2013 14:51 yamato77 wrote:

He's been trying to get us to lynch Shiao this whole time

Don't overthink this, Bill.

On May 07 2013 13:37 yamato77 wrote:

Lol, whatever.

You have the same problem as Ace. You don't like how I play. I don't give a shit.

On May 07 2013 13:43 yamato77 wrote:
Have you figured out why I think Palmar is scum over you yet?

I bet you haven't. I bet you're not even reading my posts today, because it's in there, and it's obvious.

On May 07 2013 13:45 BloodyC0bbler wrote:


captain waffle saying his reads and filter are obvious. My god you are amazing. i am sure if i called virtually every player in the game at some point mafia I would have the most obvious filter. Lynch everyone and you win. Just do it in a random number generated order, or whichever name i happened to see first on a page as i skim and i will snag a red. Its so brilliant my narrative skills tells me its 100% foolproof.

On May 04 2013 17:32 yamato77 wrote:
First of all, I want to make an immediate point. On night one, there were two role blocks. We've seen a mafia JK flip. We know he was responsible for one, and that person is confirmed not mafia. The other one could very well be the result of a town JK, and that person's alignment would still be unknown. However, by process of elimination, if the town JK claims, we have two confirmed town, and one of them is Palmar/BC.

The only downside to claiming is that you'll 100% be shot tonight if you do it before the day post, but if you wait until after, we might not get the chance to know. I would claim, because I think I know who it is, and if I can figure it out, mafia probably can as well. You'll literally be giving us a PRIZED piece of the puzzle here, as confirming one of those two is fucking amazing. So do it.

Thus ends the concrete portion of today's analysis of the game state.

Next, I want to think about a notion I've been considering since Ace flipped third party, and one that may lead to a more complete understanding of the game. It's speculative, but it's interesting.

What does Ace flipping third party give us in terms of information? Normally, I don't think it would give much, because neither mafia nor town can know Ace's alignment, so it's possible that mafia vote for him just like town, right?

Wrong. It's in mafia's best interest to have KP like a third party poisoner floating around, especially in a scenario like the one we're in now, where town vastly outnumbers mafia. The scum team need all the help they can get, so if they think someone is serial poisoner, they might shy away from lynching him.

So that brings me to this post from Sharrant:



Most of this is, on its face, reasonable. Actually, I'm pretty sure that Sharrant here believes it to be fine and dandy that Ace not be lynched, and I have a town read on Sharrant. But the notion he spreads here is another thing that is pro-mafia, when you think about it. Keeping Ace perma-jailed actually leaves town more vulnerable to KP than lynching him, because with the town jailer locked up, mafia KP is assuredly going to hit town.

Now like I said, I think Sharrant is town. But the idea is there nonetheless, mafia have a clear motive for keeping Ace alive, even if he's confirmed third party. And who argued to keep Ace alive and not lynch him, despite believing him to be third party?

Hopeless. At the bottom of page 215, you'll find a conversation between him and I about lynching Ace. I argue for the possibility, and he argues against it. I ask a very straightforward question, one that is at the root of the town win con: why should I, as town, care whether I'm lynching mafia or anti-town third party? Both of those groups have to die for town to win. Yet Hopeless disagrees. Why? It's because he's mafia, showing his true colors.

Another interesting notion that goes along with Ace being third party is BC's read of him. If BC believed Ace to be third party, as he claimed to have done the whole game, why did he never push for his lynch? He doesn't care enough about the game to push his reads, even when he is here. I think he mentioned Ace being third party once, the whole game. Why didn't he try to persuade town to lynch him, if he felt that way throughout?

Because he's been fixated on me the whole game, using some of town's suspicion of me as an excuse for a scum read to skate by. He doesn't care about solving the game, he cares about not getting lynched. That's why I thought he was survivor, but there are people who play scum the same way. Perhaps BC is one of them.

All in all, the Ace flip only makes me more confident in my reads. I could be wrong, I admit, but I doubt it.

On May 06 2013 13:38 yamato77 wrote:

Palmar/Hopeless.

I might rethink my town read of kush, but only if they both flip town.

Palmar's claim is convenient. It's also sub-par for what I expect from Palmar, because it was objectively bad and he's not bad enough as town, I believe, to actually make that claim and expect to be taken seriously. There's also all the other stuff I've said about Palmar and his RB claim, plus my general doubts about his play. I've been letting it skate by because of my read of BC, but if I'm wrong about BC, Palmar is literally the next scummiest person, and he looks fairly bad.

Hopeless I've talked about ad nauseum. He tryharded yesterday to look involved, but today he's done little to interact with town, as he has all game. Notably, Palmar also didn't want to lynch Hopeless yesterday because "he had some argument and it made him look townie" which is weak.

I've been saying that these three (Palmar/BC/Hopeless) are the only ones I'm worried about for a reason. I've been asking for the claim for a reason, because confirming one of Palmar/BC virtually solves the game. Unless one of these two flips town, I have no reason to doubt the analysis I've made of this game.

On May 07 2013 13:46 yamato77 wrote:

So you're not reading the thread? I guess I'll point it out to you, since you can't manage.

On May 07 2013 13:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote:


i just mocked your entire filter. Perhaps you should read it. You have advocated

Number generated lynches
Creative narrative on why people are red
Called virtually every one mafia at least once or twice (waffling)
You also mention you have skimmed.

For someone who keeps yelling at people to read, maybe you should read your own "active" filter. you brag about your activity enough you should remember what you say

On May 07 2013 13:48 getmoript wrote:
Can you two please quit bitching back and forth? BC if you want to prove that yamato is scum, then aim your posts at not yamato. Yamato quit responding to BC. The back and forth is worthless.

On May 07 2013 13:51 yamato77 wrote:

Read the posts, and the quotes. It explains my entire play today, which you apparently can't understand.

On May 07 2013 13:55 BloodyC0bbler wrote:


If mafia was a game based only on single days and not cumulative then maybe i could believe your play today. Given that if you look at it compared to the rest of your play it screams scum. you should know this.

On May 07 2013 13:58 yamato77 wrote:

It does to you, because you're biased.

If you don't understand that concept, you're in denial. You keep appealing to authority when Ace was 3P, VE can't read me, and Palmar is mafia. You sure are good at this game, buddy.

On April 23 2013 07:36 yamato77 wrote:
Man, my play sucks this game.