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On May 03 2013 05:30 getmoript wrote:
I like yamato for lynch the best. He's been so completely different from the yamato I've seen play that I just don't like it. I think his hopeless push is just trying to move support towards an easy potential mislynch. I'd be willing to consolidate onto palmar, but I feel comfortable enough with everyone else after rereading.
#vote yam

On April 26 2013 00:12 yamato77 wrote:
The reason I think Palmar might be mafia is delving a bit into WIFOM, but it's an interesting thought.

The explanation of night actions that we know of is complicated, given that we have 1 role block unaccounted for and 1 KP unaccounted for. I will discuss here the relevant possibilities of all of the combination of events that could have led to the situation we are at now and discuss the likelihood of each event.

1) Palmar is role blocked by town JK and shot, and Vivax is shot, while scum JK either goes unused or was used on a scum player who did not claim it. I feel like this is not very likely. Scum would want to jail offensively, because they have no chance of blocking town KP on themselves or on another town. If true, however, Palmar is confirmed town.

2) Vivax was double-stacked and jailed, and Palmar was jailed by town. Palmar's alignment is unknown, but scum deny town a ton of information, as we see. RB+KP combo is a common mafia tactic for this reason. The variation that semi-confirms Palmar would be if town JK protected Vivax and scum offensively jailed Palmar, and Vivax was still double stacked. That feels more unlikely than the former.

3) Scum double stacked Vivax, role blocked Palmar, and town JK'd offensively and hit mafia, but they didn't claim. I feel this is unlikely, because a role block claim on N1 is a soft town claim, and town JK should be defensive N1 because you can't stop KP.

4) Scum KP was on Vivax and an Vet or SK/SP, who didn't claim being hit, scum JK went unused/used on mafia or was double stacked on Palmar with town JK. Town vet has no reason not to claim, as scum already know from claims that they are vet and can die tonight. Claiming might actually help keep confirmed town alive. Third party are fucked for this rationale, but would have claimed vet with the shot, I believe. This seems unlikely, based on claims so far.

So unless there are claims of shots taken or role blocks notified that have yet to be made, it is either 1 or 2, with 2 being more likely in my opinion. Combined with Palmar's somewhat disinterested play, and his insistence that VE is mafia throughout the game while consenting to some of town's wagons, this makes me believe he might be mafia.

Perhaps this is the truth even if VE is mafia, as Palmar's "push" of him feels weak, and the VE lynch has been successfully resisted twice now. Regardless of VE's alignment, then, Palmar should be looked upon with some degree of suspicion. I'd consider lynching him today.

On April 26 2013 00:35 yamato77 wrote:
The reason I'm running through all this is that I'm not particularly happy with any of the lynches that most of town is talking about. VE of yesterday feels somewhat town. I feel like more time would only bury scum VE or give chance to solidify a town read on VE. There's absolutely no rush for his lynch to be finalized.

Shaio is easy to mislynch, as evidenced by the suspicion on him in day 2 of British Empire 1, also an instant lynch where he was lurkish, and eventually replaced. The worst part of his filter is the hammer sequence, but even that could be explained by overly eager town who got caught up in the game emotionally.

Clarity is always inactive, and him being fixated on Sharrant is not alignment indicative. His case is objectively something that scum like to do, but in the context of the game, I can see a town Clarity who had a late start feeling the need to get his thoughts about the game on the table, even if they weren't about the main lynch candidates. The fact that he basically has no other reads in the game is a point in his favor, but just like VE, we can afford to play a waiting game with him, seeing as we have unlimited time.

At the very least, we need real discussion about the alignments of Ace/BC/Palmar before we move forward with any lynch. Ace is the most town out of the three, and BC the least, in my eyes. I'd say a long day is in order, and town need to consolidate pressure upon just a few people so that we can determine their alignments more clearly.

On April 27 2013 17:14 yamato77 wrote:
So I kind of re-skimmed the thread and looked over what people have said, finally, and this post by Shiao is quite bad:


Much has been said about this entrance, but it was horrible, for a number of reasons. While it can be reasonably assumed that he is actually busy, the amount of this post used to excuse his own inactivity is mind-blowing.

He has no original thought about the game, and doesn't seem to care about giving us any valid reasons for voting for VE outside of Palmar's lackluster efforts in pushing for the lynch.

And then there's the bolded, his "reaction" to the tube modkill, that sets something off in my head. It seems unnatural and forced to go "(lol btw!)" in the middle of this post.

I'd be happy with lynching him, if we feel we need to consolidate on a lynch. I've advocated playing a waiting game, but I saw it mentioned that we've only really talked about lynching between him/Clarity today, and I agree, so perhaps it is best if we move on.

Another thing I thought to look at was the WHOLE votecount from day 1, not just the Oats wagon:


There are some changes to this:








So the votecount itself is somewhat difficult to analyse, seeing as most people were either on me or Oats, but the people on Rayn do seem out of place, and it is even more weird that two of them managed to get themselves on to Oats before his lynch; Sylencia and Hopeless.

Also note that Shiao's only vote of the whole day was the hammer on Oats. And people want to say that it isn't scummy? Yeah, no.

But as before, there were multiple vote changes inbetween, and they are worth looking into. To begin why did Sylencia decide to change to Oats?



Seems more of a case for voting for "bad town" than scum, which seems like a slip of a scum mindset, in my opinion. Why? Because it is something I run into as scum, how to formulate a read on a town player and call them scum so I can vote for them. Most of the time, it is "bad town" that get mislynched, so the difference becomes vague. Justifying a vote by saying that someone is "bad for town" is an easy scum out, because town players can and will be anti-town on many occasions. Yet this is Sylencia's mindset, and how he justifies the vote on Oats. Just from this voting analysis, I feel he might be mafia.

I have yet to analyse his filter in totality, but given this, I will definitely give it a look.



Hopeless.

+ Show Spoiler +

Anyway, this is Wonder's SECOND EVER mention of Oatsmaster, and the first one where he gives any inclination of thinking him mafia. AMAZING! HOW DID HE REACH THIS SECRET CONCLUSION?!?!?!



Wow. I'm not saying this is totally regurgitation of other people's arguments, but it is. This also come AFTER his vote, where he's fully aware that he's putting Oats one vote away from lynch. And then guess what happens...

I unvote (temporarily delaying the lynch), Sylencia manages to vote AND:



The hammer!

This all happens within the span of ~2 hours, mind you, when I'm screaming at the thread not to lynch Oats. Say what you want about me, but all three of these votes are particularly HORRID, and all of them are either switches off Rayn (a wagon that seems inherently scummy, in that people that switched off it didn't seem to change their read on him much) or the player's first vote of the game.

Is there a chance they are town? Sure. I'd probably say Sylencia has the most chance to be town, since when compared to the other two, his vote looks the MOST explained, despite the fishy nature of the post. The other two, however, give very little indication that they think Oats is mafia before they vote, and the hammer in particular looks like TEXTBOOK MAFIA trying to find a good reason to just lynch a town.

Notably, I did something JUST like this day 1 of British Empire 1 (also instant majority), where I fabricated suspicion of a town-created wagon on a town player and managed to hammer him for the lynch. Only this is even worse, and more obvious, because they didn't even manage to look like they thought about it before obviously putting Oats in danger of, and actually being lynch.

That's VCA done right, bros. And from it, I find the willingness to lynch the fuck out of Shiapi, because this is bullshit. No matter how much post-hoc justification he gives, there is only mafia motivation to be seen in what he has done.

On May 01 2013 14:26 yamato77 wrote:
Hopeless.

He's mafia.

Lynch him.

OO/WoS/TRN/Gigyas/VE/Kush seem town enough to eliminate them.

Ace/Palmar/BC - will never speak about again. If I had a choice, I would RNG between them and lynch ruthlessly.

Sharrant/Artanis/Stutters all possible mafia.

On May 01 2013 14:37 yamato77 wrote:
Sharrant has the whole "Clarity made a case on him as he entered" thing, which I find unlikely for mafia Clarity to do to his scumbuddy. Much more likely Sharrant is town, even if he is relatively inactive.

Artanis replaced Drazak, who was a lurky, inactive player as mafia in Hydra. Perhaps this trend carried over to this game, and he rolled mafia again? Is Drazak known for being inactive as town? Artanis also suffers from the same syndrome mafia DarthPunk did in Personality 2, one of complete apathy upon replacing in, and excusing his lack of contribution with the idea that he's "still catching up." He is also one of a very few people who have correctly read my alignment. Is that just an attempt to buddy me, or is he actually like CC and Palmar in that he has a brain? Difficult to tell in this town. Seems like a good candidate to pressure for lynch, because if town, he might actually do something. He is relatively decent at scum, however, so he may be difficult to hammer home.

Stutters replaced DH, who I think is just AWOL from the forum altogether. Stutter's inactivity is typical of his play, so there's literally nothing alignment indicative about it. What he has said in the thread seems logical enough, and it would be his first scum game ever, so it's probably better to treat him as if he's town until there is some indication that he isn't. Not a good lynch, because it's 75/25 that he's town, IMO.

So it's Hopeless/Artanis as possible mafia left out of the "non-vet" group. Next I'll take a serious look at the vet group and determine the actual possibilities that lie therein.

On May 01 2013 14:39 yamato77 wrote:
Oh, Bill Murray. I kinda want to think he's town off his day 1, but he's been real AFK since, and he had this penchant of a disappearing act late in the game as mafia in Boardwalk as well. His alignment is difficult to ascertain with any certainty because of this dichotomy.

On May 01 2013 14:58 yamato77 wrote:
BC/Palmar seem like they should both be dead. In most of the games I have played with them, they are high-priority NK targets and usually dead by now. In fact, I don't think I've ever seen either of them live this long in a game I've played with them. Regardless of me being paranoid about the alignments of the veteran players or not, something is suspect about this. the analysis that says that there is a vet who wants to hide among the alive vets seems accurate, and it only becomes more damning when one considers that ALL of the NKs we have seen have been on mid/low-tier players in terms of activity and skill level.

By this same logic, it seems odd that Ace is alive. While all of these players have been under some degree of suspicion this game, this fact hasn't stopped scum teams from shooting high-priority targets before. Out of the three mentioned, Ace seems like the least likely to be mafia, simply from activity levels and attitude about the game. But he also has a reputation as a legendary scum player, so it is difficult for me to cognitively cross him off my list of suspects, and my conspiracy theories only serve to move him further null in my mind. It may be a decent idea to ignore him for a short while until we get more information about the alignments of the other two.

So back to Palmar/BC; I find it more likely that Palmar is town than BC. Palmar, while relatively inactive, has attempted at times to push his own agenda in lynching VE, good or bad. He's also had a believable narrative in checking/claiming a red check on BC. Is he capable of this sort of play as mafia? It's possible, but I feel it likely that Palmar is actually telling the truth that he simply cba to do anything. It's an illness that often strikes Palmar.

BC doesn't seem to have pushed for anyone's lynch but mine this whole game. From my perspective, this is hilariously weak, since I know I'm town. It's unfortunate that his schedule restricts him from being active most of the time people are attempting to decide upon lynches. His strongest stance since saying I'm scum is saying that Palmar is, which seems to be in line with general town sentiment. But I've never seen BC play past D1/N1, so I can't know if this play is his typical town play or not. I will say that in the games I have played with him, he seems more assertive about his reads and more aggressive in hunting them. I'm not getting that feeling this game, especially as the game wears on.

Out of the two, I would lynch BC. I'd much rather lynch Hopeless, however, over either of them. I'll take a better look at his voting patterns throughout the game and come to a much more defined conclusion.

On May 01 2013 15:29 yamato77 wrote:
Hopeless' Official Vote Filter

Go on, look at it, it's short. He has 5 vote this game, and they are not spread evenly throughout the days. I'm going to match them to the corresponding reasons he gives in thread and analyse his voting strategy this game, all in chronological order to see how it's changed, or hasn't, over time.

DAY 1





This post has been given as reason for hopeless being town, because it shows effort. I disagree. Most of the things Hopeless argues about in this post are completely pointless, and none of it has almost any bearing on anyone's alignment. Again, I'll break it down.

1) VE shouldn't be a town read because everyone had to look at the OP for their role, or whatever. I don't even understand what he's arguing here, and he doesn't pursue it. It's a non-issue, and it seems more like he's defending himself for doing what he did than actually pushing any sort of suspicion on VE. It's stupid, and not worth talking about.

2) Vivax gave out too many "free town reads" or whatever with his "no scum have posted before this!" post. What the fuck, who cares. Why does he care what Vivax is doing with his reads this game, unless he thinks he is mafia? It's an absurd argument, and again pointless. Just as pointless to argue that Palmar is suspicious for giving Vivax a townread over it. Another thing that seems self-serving, in that it's defending his contributions this game.

3) He's shutting down town reads of people. That point actually seems true, since that's most of what he's talked about. Valid criticism, but not all that damning.

4) The case on Rayn, which was woefully short and inadequate. Not only do we have the luxury of knowing that he was wrong here, but his arguments aren't even that strong. He takes a couple of posts out of context in an argument between Rayn and Sharrant, and calls Rayb mafia because they sound odd, or something to that effect. It's largely bogus, and Hopeless is obviously just taking sides in a town vs. town war and hoping to fan the flames. I view this as a point against him, not for him.

So when we break that post down, it's actually fairly apparent that his contribution esd largely self-serving, and have fairly clear mafia motivations. He wants to clear his image and appear to be "scumhunting" while he argues over town reads, so he slaps an ill-thought-out case down on Rayn and proceeds to do little else day 1.





This is his only other vote on Day 1, and as I analysed before, it's a shit vote with literally no prior explanation, and one that should have been taken more seriously. Hopeless CLEARLY understands that this puts Oats at real risk of being hammered, but there's no prior indication from his filter that he's considered this fact at all. The only justification comes AFTERWARD, which is too little too late.



You can judge for yourselves how you feel about this, but I will note that Shiao's vote was ALSO justified largely post-hoc, and I also analysed that vote to be mafia motivated for the same reasons. And look what he flipped.

DAY 2:





In the Sharrant vs. Clarity thing that happaned day 2, Hopeless took the side of mafia, after having taken Sharrant's side day 1. Purely as an association case, this looks horrible, but when you consider that Hopeless' read of Sharrant changed so drastically overnight, it becomes even more suspicious. I'm not at all impressed with this vote.





...Why?



Post-hoc justification, yet again. He stays consistent in that he "didn't trust Sharrant" so he didn't vote for Clarity.

But what did he do? He defended Shiao's image to the thread and threw shit at the people on his wagon. Why? Who the fuck knows. Before now, I see almost zero mention of Shiao and his read on him, except that he's "willing to hammer him". Not looking great for Hopeless here in this department.

Day 3... Nothing. While we did lynch quick, he made no vote. A non-issue, I suppose.

Day 4:





Follows along with town's plan, altogether blending in.

Overall, it's fairly clear to me how little Hopeless cares about finding a good lynch. He doesn't spend much effort in the thread trying to discern people's alignments, and his votes on Day 1+2 look highly suspect. Just from looking at these posts, and some context in his filter, it's easy to discern that Hopeless is mafia.

On May 04 2013 17:32 yamato77 wrote:
First of all, I want to make an immediate point. On night one, there were two role blocks. We've seen a mafia JK flip. We know he was responsible for one, and that person is confirmed not mafia. The other one could very well be the result of a town JK, and that person's alignment would still be unknown. However, by process of elimination, if the town JK claims, we have two confirmed town, and one of them is Palmar/BC.

The only downside to claiming is that you'll 100% be shot tonight if you do it before the day post, but if you wait until after, we might not get the chance to know. I would claim, because I think I know who it is, and if I can figure it out, mafia probably can as well. You'll literally be giving us a PRIZED piece of the puzzle here, as confirming one of those two is fucking amazing. So do it.

Thus ends the concrete portion of today's analysis of the game state.

Next, I want to think about a notion I've been considering since Ace flipped third party, and one that may lead to a more complete understanding of the game. It's speculative, but it's interesting.

What does Ace flipping third party give us in terms of information? Normally, I don't think it would give much, because neither mafia nor town can know Ace's alignment, so it's possible that mafia vote for him just like town, right?

Wrong. It's in mafia's best interest to have KP like a third party poisoner floating around, especially in a scenario like the one we're in now, where town vastly outnumbers mafia. The scum team need all the help they can get, so if they think someone is serial poisoner, they might shy away from lynching him.

So that brings me to this post from Sharrant:



Most of this is, on its face, reasonable. Actually, I'm pretty sure that Sharrant here believes it to be fine and dandy that Ace not be lynched, and I have a town read on Sharrant. But the notion he spreads here is another thing that is pro-mafia, when you think about it. Keeping Ace perma-jailed actually leaves town more vulnerable to KP than lynching him, because with the town jailer locked up, mafia KP is assuredly going to hit town.

Now like I said, I think Sharrant is town. But the idea is there nonetheless, mafia have a clear motive for keeping Ace alive, even if he's confirmed third party. And who argued to keep Ace alive and not lynch him, despite believing him to be third party?

Hopeless. At the bottom of page 215, you'll find a conversation between him and I about lynching Ace. I argue for the possibility, and he argues against it. I ask a very straightforward question, one that is at the root of the town win con: why should I, as town, care whether I'm lynching mafia or anti-town third party? Both of those groups have to die for town to win. Yet Hopeless disagrees. Why? It's because he's mafia, showing his true colors.

Another interesting notion that goes along with Ace being third party is BC's read of him. If BC believed Ace to be third party, as he claimed to have done the whole game, why did he never push for his lynch? He doesn't care enough about the game to push his reads, even when he is here. I think he mentioned Ace being third party once, the whole game. Why didn't he try to persuade town to lynch him, if he felt that way throughout?

Because he's been fixated on me the whole game, using some of town's suspicion of me as an excuse for a scum read to skate by. He doesn't care about solving the game, he cares about not getting lynched. That's why I thought he was survivor, but there are people who play scum the same way. Perhaps BC is one of them.

All in all, the Ace flip only makes me more confident in my reads. I could be wrong, I admit, but I doubt it.

On May 07 2013 13:01 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
You tunneled me virtually all game as well, i am a townie. 4 people having the same read of you is an indication with a problem of your play. Also don't bash VE, he was doing far better than you are. You defended two mafia he had a hand in lynching.

On May 07 2013 12:55 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
have you read the game? I have had a read on yamato all game, ve had that same read, ace had the same read, palmar is now saying it? We know the flip of two of those players already, 1 was town 1 was 3p, both are responsible for heavy pushing the votes where mafia were lynched. Ace played for the most part a very town oriented game. I am inclined to believe that 4 players all getting the same read on a player means the guy is likely what those 4 think

On May 07 2013 13:17 getmoript wrote:

Yes, 4 people having the same read is a indication of bad play alignment regardless. But that doesn't make him scum. And town have defended scum before that also happens.


But did Ace play a pro-towny game? No. He helped push Oats/Yamato D1. He pushed inactive scum over mostly inactive scum D2. He pushed town over inactive scum D3. He acquiesced to inactive scum D4. He got caught D5 based on roleblocks. That's not very pro-town especially when you consider that he couldn't have know if/when Tube was going to be modkilled and then not been able to backdown on scum D2. Ace's 'scumread' on yamato could easily be explained by Ace wanting to limit the yamato tunnel OR by wanting to eliminate a good player. If anything, Ace's scumread on yamato makes yamato more likely to be town.

On May 07 2013 13:17 getmoript wrote:

Yes, 4 people having the same read is a indication of bad play alignment regardless. But that doesn't make him scum. And town have defended scum before that also happens.


But did Ace play a pro-towny game? No. He helped push Oats/Yamato D1. He pushed inactive scum over mostly inactive scum D2. He pushed town over inactive scum D3. He acquiesced to inactive scum D4. He got caught D5 based on roleblocks. That's not very pro-town especially when you consider that he couldn't have know if/when Tube was going to be modkilled and then not been able to backdown on scum D2. Ace's 'scumread' on yamato could easily be explained by Ace wanting to limit the yamato tunnel OR by wanting to eliminate a good player. If anything, Ace's scumread on yamato makes yamato more likely to be town.

On May 07 2013 13:10 BloodyC0bbler wrote:


what changed

On May 07 2013 04:49 yamato77 wrote:
Stutters I think is town because of a meta read. Until he gives me reason to think he's scum, I will treat him as town because he's never played scum. There's little reason for me to believe that anything he's done is outside of what I expect from town Stutters, which admittedly isn't much to begin with. I would expect scum Stutters to be easy to pick out, because it owuld be his first game and he'd likely be horrible.

WoS would also be first time scum, and he's too active for that. He's too involved. He's claimed miller within a reasonable context. Not what I'd expect from first time scum.

Sharrant is highly involved in the game. and seems genuinely interested in figuring out the game. He's also the only person mafia Clarity ever talked about, which would be weird for his scum mate. I believe Sharrant would be another first-timer, so unless he's a prodigy, he's town.

TRN is a mason, and I have little reason to be suspicious of him. When he masoned me, he seemed to want to figure me out, as he had apparently done with geript. Town.

Geript is town because I understand how he thinks. I was just in a Hydra with him not long ago. His perspective on the game is similar to what I saw there. He's a little tunnelish, and genuinely doesn't understand my play this game. I believe it.

Artanis is also likely town (unless my conspiracy theory comes true) because of how involved he's been in the game since yesterday. He's attempting to figure the game out in a rational way. I have little real reason to suspect him outside of interfering with me wanting to lynch you.

BC is town because either you or him is confirmed town, because of what I've talked about his game, and right now I'm working under that assumption.

BM is town because he's still playing the game. In Boardwalk, his activity fell off a cliff and he stopped trying later in the game when he realized the scum team's chances were shot. In a similar situation this game. he's still trying. Not to mention, day 1 he tried to talk sense to me in my trollish state. Easily town.

Giygas is town through sheer effort. He's tryharding to figure out this game. I don't even have to explain this, it's so obvious.

Kush I might be wrong about, but he seems genuine when he just wants a lynch. His accusation of me felt like an accusation town Kush would believe in. He's also not hardbussing, as far as I can see, so he's not mafia. Real heuristics, applied realistically.

That leaves you and Hopeless, Palmar. Without your claim, there's nothing to point toward you being town, and the claim is ass.

On May 07 2013 13:02 kushm4sta wrote:
i think town is making a huge mistake lynching yamato
(inb4 omg town in 3rd person scumslip1!!!!)

but I dont mind it actually because I am so horny for flips. It's like when you haven't had sex in 2 years and you will have sex with anyone just to have it. exactly like that.

On May 07 2013 13:20 BloodyC0bbler wrote:


disagree with you completely.

D3 can't be blamed on ace given that the dt who made the check believed sylencia was mafia over shiaopi. If you look at ace all day 2 he thought if clarity flipped mafia shiao was innocent. He followed through on that. Caught d5 based on roleblocks is only half true. he was suspected of being 3p for ages and because he didnt claim survivor he got shafted for it. Also given that yamato has not really done anything major this game, its not eliminating a good player. It also doesn't make yamato more likely to be town.

On May 07 2013 13:21 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Also those "relevant posts" you quoted are horrible yamato -_-

On May 07 2013 13:20 TheRavensName wrote:
B that logic, Palmar is even more innocent. Ace was pushing Palmar after Mafia was pretty far behind.

On May 07 2013 13:20 TheRavensName wrote:

B that logic, Palmar is even more innocent. Ace was pushing Palmar after Mafia was pretty far behind.

On May 07 2013 13:25 yamato77 wrote:
Like, I'm mafia with Hopeless

How fucking unaware are you of this game to believe that?

Bad.

On May 07 2013 13:28 TheRavensName wrote:

To be fair, I don't think hes Mafia with you.

On May 07 2013 13:28 yamato77 wrote:

I'm obviously taking shots at BC's ego here, leave me alone.

On April 24 2013 00:10 yamato77 wrote:

Maybe you scum.

On April 24 2013 00:10 yamato77 wrote:
CLARITY

LYNCH BC WITH ME.

IT'S THE WAGON OF RIGHTEOUS JUSTICE.

LET YOUR NEW EMPEROR REIGN.

On April 24 2013 17:41 yamato77 wrote:
Ace
BC
Rayn
VE
CC

mafia?

On April 25 2013 23:30 yamato77 wrote:
Yeah I'm not in love with lynching either of Clarity or Hopeless myself.

I'd say you should look at BC, VE, and ShaioPi to make a lynch decision, if you can't find reasonable suspicion of someone else.

Though if you think VE is town, we might want to lynch Palmar. Like, a lot. A lot, a lot.

On April 26 2013 00:35 yamato77 wrote:
The reason I'm running through all this is that I'm not particularly happy with any of the lynches that most of town is talking about. VE of yesterday feels somewhat town. I feel like more time would only bury scum VE or give chance to solidify a town read on VE. There's absolutely no rush for his lynch to be finalized.

Shaio is easy to mislynch, as evidenced by the suspicion on him in day 2 of British Empire 1, also an instant lynch where he was lurkish, and eventually replaced. The worst part of his filter is the hammer sequence, but even that could be explained by overly eager town who got caught up in the game emotionally.

Clarity is always inactive, and him being fixated on Sharrant is not alignment indicative. His case is objectively something that scum like to do, but in the context of the game, I can see a town Clarity who had a late start feeling the need to get his thoughts about the game on the table, even if they weren't about the main lynch candidates. The fact that he basically has no other reads in the game is a point in his favor, but just like VE, we can afford to play a waiting game with him, seeing as we have unlimited time.

At the very least, we need real discussion about the alignments of Ace/BC/Palmar before we move forward with any lynch. Ace is the most town out of the three, and BC the least, in my eyes. I'd say a long day is in order, and town need to consolidate pressure upon just a few people so that we can determine their alignments more clearly.

On April 27 2013 06:47 yamato77 wrote:


Close enough:


Town read on me.



Before I said I would respond. Reasonable, somewhat.



This chain of quotes from you is suspicious as fuck. You want to be suspicious of me before I even fucking respond.



Fuck you, you're mafia.

On April 27 2013 06:50 yamato77 wrote:

How about his inconsistent bullshit read of me?

Yes, he's mafia.

On April 27 2013 12:13 yamato77 wrote:
That or scum is actively bussing a lurky Shaio

I mean, they're pretty much the same fucking lynch, IMO. Both are lurky, both have done almost nothing this entire game.

I would lynch Clarity over Shiao, but I'd prefer we lynch someone who I can actually be confident is mafia, hah.

On April 29 2013 11:02 yamato77 wrote:
My epeen would grow immensely if I was right about Sylencia being potentially mafia just from his vote post

I agree with his lynch, he is believably mafia.

On April 29 2013 14:50 yamato77 wrote:

You're right, VE.

So you could put your vote on mafia, and we could be one step closer to figuring this whole shitfest out.