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On May 07 2013 03:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 03:18 TheRavensName wrote:
Something opped into my head while I was filter diving artnanis:
Question, why are BC and Palmar even being talked about as suspects still? if they were both RBed night 1 they should both be town. Unless, were assuming ace got hit night 1 or they double stacked Vivax. Consiering no one was really hard pushing Ace in a way that would suggest he had survived a shot, i find this to be unlikely.. No way Mafia defensive jailed before vigis could shoot. So they must hve blocked one and shot the other, which would mean they would both be town. I brought this up earlier. Scum doesn't know Ace is 3rd party for sure though. It could be a veteran too. Also, there is someone that pushed Ace. Yamato kept bringing Ace to the table. I already talked about this scenario before though.
Aren't night lives a once/game thing? I figured a veteran would have claimed days ago.
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On May 07 2013 03:32 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 03:29 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 07 2013 03:28 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 07 2013 03:25 TheRavensName wrote:On May 07 2013 03:21 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 07 2013 03:18 TheRavensName wrote:
Something opped into my head while I was filter diving artnanis:
Question, why are BC and Palmar even being talked about as suspects still? if they were both RBed night 1 they should both be town. Unless, were assuming ace got hit night 1 or they double stacked Vivax. Consiering no one was really hard pushing Ace in a way that would suggest he had survived a shot, i find this to be unlikely.. No way Mafia defensive jailed before vigis could shoot. So they must hve blocked one and shot the other, which would mean they would both be town. Those scenarios are quite likely, TRN, as well the fact that mafia may not have had 2 (non-vigi)KP at any point during the game, especially since we don't have town vig. ..... Scum started at 5 which means they could shoot twice night 1. i think a Veteran would have told them not to double stack vivax, and instead shoot him once and shoot someone else, then just shoot him again if they had to. And I don't think a newer player would have noticed the crumb as anything else other then self martyring after a failed lynch they pushed. Where does the OP talk about scum KP formula? Ah found it, ok you're right. Doublestacking is more common than you'd think though. Perhaps when someone is actually a threat and likely to get protection. Vivax just lead a mislynch, which made protection quite unlikely. i don't see why Mafia would throw away their only gauranteed night of double shooting with how much of their team was afk/under suspicion.
Just because someone was wrong about the lynch they led on day 1 does not make them a bad shot. Vivax was an unexpected NK, but I don't think anyone was suspicious of him whatsoever.
It's important for scum to keep people like Vivax dead. If town is listening to someone, even if that person is wrong at that time, you should kill them. You never let town form a cohesive group. That's what the Vivax/Rayn/OO NKs were all about. No one suspected them, and they were listened to, to a certain extent.
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Do people REALLY think yamato is scum?
Yamato I'd like to have a chat, if you will. About shoes and ships and sealing-wax, of cabbages and kings.
But mostly about scum.
You game?
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On May 07 2013 04:22 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 03:53 Palmar wrote:On May 07 2013 03:05 yamato77 wrote:
I highly doubt that you're town. Just because you're not objectively scummy doesn't mean you aren't mafia. "I don't think you've done anything like mafia would do, or acted like mafia, but you're probably mafia anyway" I don't even know how to argue with this. No, it means you haven't given me any reason to think you're town, and lategame, that's a fucking gigantic problem. In the games I have played with you when you lived past night 1, I could easily read you as town. Most day 1's I can read you as town. I haven't had a solid town read on you the entire game. That's a problem, Palmar. It's enough for me to want to hang you this late in the game.
So by extension you must think at least 10+ players or however many we have left you with a solid town read, since your number one scumspicion is someone who is "not solid town".
Please list 10 town reads you think are solid with reasoning. This'll also make it harder for you to backtrack when I flip
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On May 07 2013 04:25 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 03:32 TheRavensName wrote:On May 07 2013 03:29 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 07 2013 03:28 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 07 2013 03:25 TheRavensName wrote:On May 07 2013 03:21 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 07 2013 03:18 TheRavensName wrote:
Something opped into my head while I was filter diving artnanis:
Question, why are BC and Palmar even being talked about as suspects still? if they were both RBed night 1 they should both be town. Unless, were assuming ace got hit night 1 or they double stacked Vivax. Consiering no one was really hard pushing Ace in a way that would suggest he had survived a shot, i find this to be unlikely.. No way Mafia defensive jailed before vigis could shoot. So they must hve blocked one and shot the other, which would mean they would both be town. Those scenarios are quite likely, TRN, as well the fact that mafia may not have had 2 (non-vigi)KP at any point during the game, especially since we don't have town vig. ..... Scum started at 5 which means they could shoot twice night 1. i think a Veteran would have told them not to double stack vivax, and instead shoot him once and shoot someone else, then just shoot him again if they had to. And I don't think a newer player would have noticed the crumb as anything else other then self martyring after a failed lynch they pushed. Where does the OP talk about scum KP formula? Ah found it, ok you're right. Doublestacking is more common than you'd think though. Perhaps when someone is actually a threat and likely to get protection. Vivax just lead a mislynch, which made protection quite unlikely. i don't see why Mafia would throw away their only gauranteed night of double shooting with how much of their team was afk/under suspicion. Just because someone was wrong about the lynch they led on day 1 does not make them a bad shot. Vivax was an unexpected NK, but I don't think anyone was suspicious of him whatsoever. It's important for scum to keep people like Vivax dead. If town is listening to someone, even if that person is wrong at that time, you should kill them. You never let town form a cohesive group. That's what the Vivax/Rayn/OO NKs were all about. No one suspected them, and they were listened to, to a certain extent.
My point wasn't they wouldn't kill him. My point was they wouldn't doublestack.
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On May 07 2013 04:30 WaveofShadow wrote:
Do people REALLY think yamato is scum?
Due to my latest musings, along with the feeling I've had all game long? Yes. I think he is. Im just trying to find a partner for him though.
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Stutters I think is town because of a meta read. Until he gives me reason to think he's scum, I will treat him as town because he's never played scum. There's little reason for me to believe that anything he's done is outside of what I expect from town Stutters, which admittedly isn't much to begin with. I would expect scum Stutters to be easy to pick out, because it owuld be his first game and he'd likely be horrible.
WoS would also be first time scum, and he's too active for that. He's too involved. He's claimed miller within a reasonable context. Not what I'd expect from first time scum.
Sharrant is highly involved in the game. and seems genuinely interested in figuring out the game. He's also the only person mafia Clarity ever talked about, which would be weird for his scum mate. I believe Sharrant would be another first-timer, so unless he's a prodigy, he's town.
TRN is a mason, and I have little reason to be suspicious of him. When he masoned me, he seemed to want to figure me out, as he had apparently done with geript. Town.
Geript is town because I understand how he thinks. I was just in a Hydra with him not long ago. His perspective on the game is similar to what I saw there. He's a little tunnelish, and genuinely doesn't understand my play this game. I believe it.
Artanis is also likely town (unless my conspiracy theory comes true) because of how involved he's been in the game since yesterday. He's attempting to figure the game out in a rational way. I have little real reason to suspect him outside of interfering with me wanting to lynch you.
BC is town because either you or him is confirmed town, because of what I've talked about his game, and right now I'm working under that assumption.
BM is town because he's still playing the game. In Boardwalk, his activity fell off a cliff and he stopped trying later in the game when he realized the scum team's chances were shot. In a similar situation this game. he's still trying. Not to mention, day 1 he tried to talk sense to me in my trollish state. Easily town.
Giygas is town through sheer effort. He's tryharding to figure out this game. I don't even have to explain this, it's so obvious.
Kush I might be wrong about, but he seems genuine when he just wants a lynch. His accusation of me felt like an accusation town Kush would believe in. He's also not hardbussing, as far as I can see, so he's not mafia. Real heuristics, applied realistically.
That leaves you and Hopeless, Palmar. Without your claim, there's nothing to point toward you being town, and the claim is ass.
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On May 07 2013 04:38 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 04:25 yamato77 wrote:On May 07 2013 03:32 TheRavensName wrote:On May 07 2013 03:29 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 07 2013 03:28 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 07 2013 03:25 TheRavensName wrote:On May 07 2013 03:21 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 07 2013 03:18 TheRavensName wrote:
Something opped into my head while I was filter diving artnanis:
Question, why are BC and Palmar even being talked about as suspects still? if they were both RBed night 1 they should both be town. Unless, were assuming ace got hit night 1 or they double stacked Vivax. Consiering no one was really hard pushing Ace in a way that would suggest he had survived a shot, i find this to be unlikely.. No way Mafia defensive jailed before vigis could shoot. So they must hve blocked one and shot the other, which would mean they would both be town. Those scenarios are quite likely, TRN, as well the fact that mafia may not have had 2 (non-vigi)KP at any point during the game, especially since we don't have town vig. ..... Scum started at 5 which means they could shoot twice night 1. i think a Veteran would have told them not to double stack vivax, and instead shoot him once and shoot someone else, then just shoot him again if they had to. And I don't think a newer player would have noticed the crumb as anything else other then self martyring after a failed lynch they pushed. Where does the OP talk about scum KP formula? Ah found it, ok you're right. Doublestacking is more common than you'd think though. Perhaps when someone is actually a threat and likely to get protection. Vivax just lead a mislynch, which made protection quite unlikely. i don't see why Mafia would throw away their only gauranteed night of double shooting with how much of their team was afk/under suspicion. Just because someone was wrong about the lynch they led on day 1 does not make them a bad shot. Vivax was an unexpected NK, but I don't think anyone was suspicious of him whatsoever. It's important for scum to keep people like Vivax dead. If town is listening to someone, even if that person is wrong at that time, you should kill them. You never let town form a cohesive group. That's what the Vivax/Rayn/OO NKs were all about. No one suspected them, and they were listened to, to a certain extent. My point wasn't they wouldn't kill him. My point was they wouldn't doublestack.
They quite possibly could, yes. They also could have shot Ace. You can't just call Palmar confirmed town when scum often doublestack, and you can't even be sure Palmar got hit if they didn't.
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Lol Yamato. I need to talk about that post when I'm back. 2-3 hours
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On May 07 2013 02:08 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 02:07 yamato77 wrote:On May 07 2013 02:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 07 2013 02:00 yamato77 wrote:On May 07 2013 01:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 07 2013 01:55 yamato77 wrote:
Idk dude, it seems like your plan is designed to keep Palmar alive rather than actually figure out his true alignment. He claims to have an information role. I wish for him to live another day to acquire said information. ...this is scummy how? Because the information it supposedly gains us is only useful if he's town, and it's not even necessarily that useful in the first place. Yes, and there's no downside to letting him live for a day more to have a practically confirmed BC in case he IS town. When Palmar flips and he flips green BC is in a whole lotta shit. If we confirm he's insane and not paranoid and he flips cop then we might not actually end up killing BC, saving us a potential mislynch. On May 07 2013 02:01 yamato77 wrote:On May 07 2013 01:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Also if I'm scum with Palmar why the hell would I want you off the table when Hopeless flips town? So you look good when everyone else decides to lynch me? Fair point, but I won't let you get lynched. I'll have to mull it over. I guess I'm fine with killing off Hopeless today, but something feels off about the lynch. I don't like how everyone has now invented desire to lynch Hopeless. It might just be that Hopeless has given up and given permission to the other scum to bus him. He did sound fairly defeatist earlier.
I'm more convinced at this point I'm a greater benefit to town dead than alive. There's too much bullshit reasoning right now. Once people realize they need to rethink their stance on a lot of things, I'd hope it clears up a lot of things. With Palmar/BC set to potentially resolve itself (pending JK assistance and NK information) the town is going to need to play an effectively town-favored vanilla game.
By my count its likely to be
11 town v 2 scum
or
10 town v 2 scum v 1 3rd Party
Once we mislynch (its practically inevitable at this point...) we'll be playing a normal mini.
@Yamato's read post, there's this excerpt:
BC is town because either you or him is confirmed town, because of what I've talked about his game, and right now I'm working under that assumption.
I'm hoping thats based on his supposed roleblocker read/breadcrumbs or something to that effect because otherwise I'd lynch Yamato for this read.
@Jailkeeper, I suggest claiming at the deadline for the daypost with your targets in the event that you are killed during this coming Night. I am of the opinion that the information is more valuable than your life at this point. Confirming one of BC/Palmar and shedding some light on how accurate yamato's reads are could potentially end the game. Also DO NOT block Palmar since he needs to use his check, duh.
P.S. my vote remains on BC. See Artanis' case and Palmar's comments on the night ping-pong discussions.
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On May 07 2013 03:29 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 03:28 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 07 2013 03:25 TheRavensName wrote:On May 07 2013 03:21 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 07 2013 03:18 TheRavensName wrote:
Something opped into my head while I was filter diving artnanis:
Question, why are BC and Palmar even being talked about as suspects still? if they were both RBed night 1 they should both be town. Unless, were assuming ace got hit night 1 or they double stacked Vivax. Consiering no one was really hard pushing Ace in a way that would suggest he had survived a shot, i find this to be unlikely.. No way Mafia defensive jailed before vigis could shoot. So they must hve blocked one and shot the other, which would mean they would both be town. Those scenarios are quite likely, TRN, as well the fact that mafia may not have had 2 (non-vigi)KP at any point during the game, especially since we don't have town vig. ..... Scum started at 5 which means they could shoot twice night 1. i think a Veteran would have told them not to double stack vivax, and instead shoot him once and shoot someone else, then just shoot him again if they had to. And I don't think a newer player would have noticed the crumb as anything else other then self martyring after a failed lynch they pushed. Where does the OP talk about scum KP formula? Ah found it, ok you're right. Doublestacking is more common than you'd think though.
doublestacking vivax tho? its more likely town jk protected the vet mafia shot or they shot ace and ace went "luls fuck that not claiming"
I am kinda in agreement with trn atm for myself and palmar.
still see hopeless as possibly scum, sadly for yamato i still think hes scum as nothing either has done this game day has really changed that.
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On May 07 2013 05:38 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 02:08 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 07 2013 02:07 yamato77 wrote:On May 07 2013 02:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 07 2013 02:00 yamato77 wrote:On May 07 2013 01:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 07 2013 01:55 yamato77 wrote:
Idk dude, it seems like your plan is designed to keep Palmar alive rather than actually figure out his true alignment. He claims to have an information role. I wish for him to live another day to acquire said information. ...this is scummy how? Because the information it supposedly gains us is only useful if he's town, and it's not even necessarily that useful in the first place. Yes, and there's no downside to letting him live for a day more to have a practically confirmed BC in case he IS town. When Palmar flips and he flips green BC is in a whole lotta shit. If we confirm he's insane and not paranoid and he flips cop then we might not actually end up killing BC, saving us a potential mislynch. On May 07 2013 02:01 yamato77 wrote:On May 07 2013 01:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Also if I'm scum with Palmar why the hell would I want you off the table when Hopeless flips town? So you look good when everyone else decides to lynch me? Fair point, but I won't let you get lynched. I'll have to mull it over. I guess I'm fine with killing off Hopeless today, but something feels off about the lynch. I don't like how everyone has now invented desire to lynch Hopeless. It might just be that Hopeless has given up and given permission to the other scum to bus him. He did sound fairly defeatist earlier. I'm more convinced at this point I'm a greater benefit to town dead than alive. There's too much bullshit reasoning right now. Once people realize they need to rethink their stance on a lot of things, I'd hope it clears up a lot of things. With Palmar/BC set to potentially resolve itself (pending JK assistance and NK information) the town is going to need to play an effectively town-favored vanilla game. By my count its likely to be 11 town v 2 scum or 10 town v 2 scum v 1 3rd Party Once we mislynch (its practically inevitable at this point...) we'll be playing a normal mini.
@Yamato's read post, there's this excerpt: Show nested quote +BC is town because either you or him is confirmed town, because of what I've talked about his game, and right now I'm working under that assumption. I'm hoping thats based on his supposed roleblocker read/breadcrumbs or something to that effect because otherwise I'd lynch Yamato for this read.
@Jailkeeper, I suggest claiming at the deadline for the daypost with your targets in the event that you are killed during this coming Night. I am of the opinion that the information is more valuable than your life at this point. Confirming one of BC/Palmar and shedding some light on how accurate yamato's reads are could potentially end the game. Also DO NOT block Palmar since he needs to use his check, duh.
P.S. my vote remains on BC. See Artanis' case and Palmar's comments on the night ping-pong discussions.
I dont like how he just assumes palmar or I must be scum. I can honestly say if i was scum or palmar was based on current flips i would have bussed those 3 so fucking hard for town cred, and i think palmar would have as well, or he would have completely afk derped / stayed off radars as much as possible. I have spent hours writing my own team mates posts before / making inactive ones die in a way i look good and palmar is pretty devious as well. Factor in our back and forth talking of reads I am more inclined on thinking we are both town at the moment.
However you see the posts like you just quoted are reasons I have wanted to lynch yamato all game -_-
Also, didn't he shit on me earlier in the game for posting reads then he did the same style of reads with very little info attached?
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Hopeless stop making me feel bad about my vote goddamnit.
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BC, if you're town, get your head out of your ass.
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On May 07 2013 06:53 yamato77 wrote:
BC, if you're town, get your head out of your ass.
I hope everyone appreciates the irony of this statement.
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Hello! I'm your friendly Yamato interpreter:
On May 07 2013 04:49 yamato77 wrote:
Stutters I think is town because of a meta read. Until he gives me reason to think he's scum, I will treat him as town because he's never played scum. There's little reason for me to believe that anything he's done is outside of what I expect from town Stutters, which admittedly isn't much to begin with. I would expect scum Stutters to be easy to pick out, because it owuld be his first game and he'd likely be horrible.
Stutters is town because I say so, I think I would think he's scum maybe if he's scum so probably town idk?
On May 07 2013 04:49 yamato77 wrote:
WoS would also be first time scum, and he's too active for that. He's too involved. He's claimed miller within a reasonable context. Not what I'd expect from first time scum.
Look guys, I actually have a legit reason for thinking someone is town, I mean, anything less vague than "he's too involved" is of course too much, but at least he claimed miller!
On May 07 2013 04:49 yamato77 wrote:
Sharrant is highly involved in the game. and seems genuinely interested in figuring out the game. He's also the only person mafia Clarity ever talked about, which would be weird for his scum mate. I believe Sharrant would be another first-timer, so unless he's a prodigy, he's town.
No need for interpreter here, this is actually correct, if lacking in detail.
On May 07 2013 04:49 yamato77 wrote:
TRN is a mason, and I have little reason to be suspicious of him. When he masoned me, he seemed to want to figure me out, as he had apparently done with geript. Town.
yeah, probably true.
On May 07 2013 04:49 yamato77 wrote:
Geript is town because I understand how he thinks. I was just in a Hydra with him not long ago. His perspective on the game is similar to what I saw there. He's a little tunnelish, and genuinely doesn't understand my play this game. I believe it.
No, geript may be the scummiest person in the thread, he just skates by on the modconfirm thing.
On May 07 2013 04:49 yamato77 wrote:
Artanis is also likely town (unless my conspiracy theory comes true) because of how involved he's been in the game since yesterday. He's attempting to figure the game out in a rational way. I have little real reason to suspect him outside of interfering with me wanting to lynch you.
Artanis is town because I say so, I'll just dash in some fancy words. "rational.... and involved" that'll do it. means I don't have to read or cite specific trains of thought.
On May 07 2013 04:49 yamato77 wrote:
BC is town because either you or him is confirmed town, because of what I've talked about his game, and right now I'm working under that assumption.
BC is maybe town because Palmar is maybe confirmed town eh... I mean.... yeah sure, he's maybe scum and Palmar is maybe scum? So right guys, I got this, Palmar is maybe scum and BC is maybe town. Yeah that's why BC is solid town read of mine.
On May 07 2013 04:49 yamato77 wrote:
BM is town because he's still playing the game. In Boardwalk, his activity fell off a cliff and he stopped trying later in the game when he realized the scum team's chances were shot. In a similar situation this game. he's still trying. Not to mention, day 1 he tried to talk sense to me in my trollish state. Easily town.
BM is town because he posts a lot... I guess. I also forgot that period where BM left the game.
On May 07 2013 04:49 yamato77 wrote:
Giygas is town through sheer effort. He's tryharding to figure out this game. I don't even have to explain this, it's so obvious.
Shit, I have no reason here... hmm... tryhard? I'll just tell the guys they're stupid if they don't agree. I mean they'll totally agree the guy with the shortest filter is town on sheer effort?
On May 07 2013 04:49 yamato77 wrote:
Kush I might be wrong about, but he seems genuine when he just wants a lynch. His accusation of me felt like an accusation town Kush would believe in. He's also not hardbussing, as far as I can see, so he's not mafia. Real heuristics, applied realistically.
I guess Kush is town because why not?
On May 07 2013 04:49 yamato77 wrote:
That leaves you and Hopeless, Palmar. Without your claim, there's nothing to point toward you being town, and the claim is ass.
rofl, good job yamato
##Unvote
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To drive the point home. Yamato has almost no reasoning for any of his reads, he shared in his reads posts basically no concrete evidence for any of his reads, even when there's plenty of it, he didn't try to demonstrate any of his reads, simply posted them and called people various buzzwords. "involved" or "trying hard"
I certainly agree with many of his reads, although he seems fairly flippy floppy on for example kush who is one of my strongest town reads.
The BC point is the worst, he literally has no reason to think I'm scum above BC.
Let's kill yamato guys.
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When I say "I agree with his reads" I mean I've reached the same conclusion (obviously, there's like 2 scum left). But not that I used the same methodology. I actually... y'know, read the game and attempted to analyse it.
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Palmar and i agree on something? Thank god
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Maybe it's bias, but honestly, yamato is using exactly the same shitty logic I tend to use when I'm scum.
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