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TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
April 30 2013 13:44 GMT
#3581
So random question, if there is only 1 scum, based off the front page does that mean they get 0 kp? Because it doesn't say minimum of one. If so, then we can defently figure out if we have a sk or not.
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
April 30 2013 13:46 GMT
#3582
On April 30 2013 22:40 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2013 22:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
OK so as I have been thinking recently.

We know there is one jailkeeper running around.
We know there are 3 dt claims(one now dead)
We know there is one mason still masoning, and one who is dead
We know we have 1 dead miller and 1 claimed miller(wos)
We know a mafia vig and a mafia framer are dead
We know a second rb happened n1. This means
a) palmar is lying
b) I am lying
c) An inactive town is a jailkeeper and has been mia for all nights since.

Given 2 millers, 1 framer. I find it extremely unlikely that we have two dts who have fucked up sanities. Insane is very easy to prove, as is insane. We know based on checks that obviousone is town, and palmar has a guilty check on him, I know I am town and he has a guilty check on me. Given that we have only been seeing 1 rb since n1 and joats can't rb as a power I am inclined to say Palmar is scum.

We know 100% that shiaopi is scum based on CC however I believe Palmar should be dealt with next at this time.

...you mean sane?

i'm not going to rely on ___ is town or ___ is scum based upon checks until I see some/a flip(s)

On April 29 2013 10:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Hell. I didn't want to claim but fuck I guess I have to now that Palmar is being retarded if he really is another cop.

I'm an Alignment Cop

NIGHT 1 = SHIAOPI INNOCENT

NIGHT 2 = SYLENCIA GUILTY

I wanted to lynch ShaioPi yesterday because I didn't know his alignment despite my check. It would help confirm my sanity. I now know that I cannot be paranoid or naiive, so I'm sane or insane. I'm going to trust Shia is town based on yesterdays events. I am SANE. Sylencia is mafia.

I didn't think I'd have to claim today if I could just case Syl T.T

On April 29 2013 15:58 Blazinghand wrote:
Night 3

Sylencia the Brave Wizard is dead




Night 3 lasts for 24 hours from this post. gogo.


Most likely conclusion:
Mr.CC was insane.

Alternatives: Framer problems. I don't think naivety/paranoia can result in two different checks regardless of framing, millers etc.
TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
April 30 2013 13:48 GMT
#3583
On April 30 2013 22:43 Bill Murray wrote:
Also, BC calling Palmar scum is a complete OMGUS if you look at the top of the page. Palmar just called BC scum. BC = active lurking here.

I think BC brought up a good point though. He claimed roleblocked, which means jailed, and Palmar went out of his way to mention multiple times that it was a JK that saved his life and it had to have been his life saved. Yet there was two roleblocks only on that night so... that is something. And I think of Palmar was really trying to push for BC instead of look kinda useful crazy cop man, he would have seen that descrepincy and mentioned it when he was saying he saw that BC came up red for his check.
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
April 30 2013 13:48 GMT
#3584
On April 30 2013 22:44 TheRavensName wrote:
So random question, if there is only 1 scum, based off the front page does that mean they get 0 kp? Because it doesn't say minimum of one. If so, then we can defently figure out if we have a sk or not.

I tentatively accuse Ace of being SP.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
April 30 2013 13:51 GMT
#3585
Does Mafia KP have a minimum value or is it possible to have 0 factional KP?
TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
April 30 2013 13:57 GMT
#3586
On April 30 2013 22:48 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2013 22:44 TheRavensName wrote:
So random question, if there is only 1 scum, based off the front page does that mean they get 0 kp? Because it doesn't say minimum of one. If so, then we can defently figure out if we have a sk or not.

I tentatively accuse Ace of being SP.

Well.... we only had two night kills once, so we can't even for sure there is a SK/SP yet unless he is the unluckiest bastard ever. JOAT Vigied is looking more likely at this point.
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
April 30 2013 13:59 GMT
#3587
Though I am certainly not ruling out the unluckiest 3rd party ever. Mafia seems to have gotten pretty unlucky this game too.
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
Sharrant
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada543 Posts
April 30 2013 14:02 GMT
#3588
No one has claimed a roleblock besides VE today? I kinda figured there'd be one on one of the vets, I mean Palmar and then Ace was RB'ed n1/n2. Shiao is the proper lynch.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
April 30 2013 14:11 GMT
#3589
On April 30 2013 22:48 TheRavensName wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2013 22:43 Bill Murray wrote:
Also, BC calling Palmar scum is a complete OMGUS if you look at the top of the page. Palmar just called BC scum. BC = active lurking here.

I think BC brought up a good point though. He claimed roleblocked, which means jailed, and Palmar went out of his way to mention multiple times that it was a JK that saved his life and it had to have been his life saved. Yet there was two roleblocks only on that night so... that is something. And I think of Palmar was really trying to push for BC instead of look kinda useful crazy cop man, he would have seen that descrepincy and mentioned it when he was saying he saw that BC came up red for his check.

But if Palmar was lying and isn't a cop, why did he claim a guilty check on OO? If he isn't a cop and wanted BC lynched, he shot himself in the foot there.
TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
April 30 2013 14:13 GMT
#3590
On April 30 2013 23:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2013 22:48 TheRavensName wrote:
On April 30 2013 22:43 Bill Murray wrote:
Also, BC calling Palmar scum is a complete OMGUS if you look at the top of the page. Palmar just called BC scum. BC = active lurking here.

I think BC brought up a good point though. He claimed roleblocked, which means jailed, and Palmar went out of his way to mention multiple times that it was a JK that saved his life and it had to have been his life saved. Yet there was two roleblocks only on that night so... that is something. And I think of Palmar was really trying to push for BC instead of look kinda useful crazy cop man, he would have seen that descrepincy and mentioned it when he was saying he saw that BC came up red for his check.

But if Palmar was lying and isn't a cop, why did he claim a guilty check on OO? If he isn't a cop and wanted BC lynched, he shot himself in the foot there.

He could claim paranoid, which he just did. It worked if he was believed, and sense no one bit thanks to our cop mass dibacle, he got another day to say he was paranoid.
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
April 30 2013 14:14 GMT
#3591
On April 30 2013 23:02 Sharrant wrote:
No one has claimed a roleblock besides VE today? I kinda figured there'd be one on one of the vets, I mean Palmar and then Ace was RB'ed n1/n2. Shiao is the proper lynch.

Well, they had to stop at least one of the cops.
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
April 30 2013 14:17 GMT
#3592
On April 30 2013 23:14 TheRavensName wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2013 23:02 Sharrant wrote:
No one has claimed a roleblock besides VE today? I kinda figured there'd be one on one of the vets, I mean Palmar and then Ace was RB'ed n1/n2. Shiao is the proper lynch.

Well, they had to stop at least one of the cops.

EBOP: This make no sense actually so I take that back. I would assume the jailer thought for sre one of our cops was going to be shot, and he just picked the wrong one.
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
April 30 2013 14:18 GMT
#3593
Or, he picked right and the scum shot him and SK shot the other. We sadly don't know.
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
April 30 2013 14:24 GMT
#3594
ShiaoPi is the best lynch today no question. The check is just the cherry on top of the rest of his behavior.

# #Vote ShiaoPi
AKA gigyas, gigas, giygas khan, giyga khan, giyga...
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
April 30 2013 14:25 GMT
#3595
On April 30 2013 23:13 TheRavensName wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2013 23:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On April 30 2013 22:48 TheRavensName wrote:
On April 30 2013 22:43 Bill Murray wrote:
Also, BC calling Palmar scum is a complete OMGUS if you look at the top of the page. Palmar just called BC scum. BC = active lurking here.

I think BC brought up a good point though. He claimed roleblocked, which means jailed, and Palmar went out of his way to mention multiple times that it was a JK that saved his life and it had to have been his life saved. Yet there was two roleblocks only on that night so... that is something. And I think of Palmar was really trying to push for BC instead of look kinda useful crazy cop man, he would have seen that descrepincy and mentioned it when he was saying he saw that BC came up red for his check.

But if Palmar was lying and isn't a cop, why did he claim a guilty check on OO? If he isn't a cop and wanted BC lynched, he shot himself in the foot there.

He could claim paranoid, which he just did. It worked if he was believed, and sense no one bit thanks to our cop mass dibacle, he got another day to say he was paranoid.

It's a plausible explanation, but there were still plenty of people that at least mildly suspected BC. I don't think Palmar would've started a gambit like this and halfass it that much only to abandon it the next day, though it is possible that he did so because two other people claimed cop which he didn't expect.
Hmm. It's also strange that Palmar was on VE's case so much all through D1 and I believe D2 then didn't end up checking him, but rather the cobbler which he only mentioned twice before that day, once in the "list of bloodycobblers" and once in response to getting called out by him.

Palmar, why did you end up checking BC instead of VE when you called him scum all day, and what caused you to change your read on VE?
Sharrant
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada543 Posts
April 30 2013 14:26 GMT
#3596
I don't see a town jailer doing that, to be honest. My most likely scenario is:

N1:
Palmar jailed (seemed to be the towniest looking Vet in a lot of people's eyes)
BC RB'ed

N2:
Ace Jailed (Just lynched scum)
Either Ace also RB'ed or maybe RB on their shot (not sure if that messes with veteran orSK/SP protection in this game.)

N3
??? Jailed
VE RB'ed

I will be considering VE confirmed town because of this. The exception is if it was a town jailer who jailed BC, Ace was double jailed, and the jailer did not think the plan through and decided to VE because... terrible reasoning? It seems like a stretch to think of this as two town jailers.

But I would wager that Palmar and Ace were both town jailed. I guess it remains to be seen if there's another roleblocked player. But a town jailer jailing VE just does not make sense to me.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
April 30 2013 14:30 GMT
#3597
The theory of the scum team I am working with relies on the flip.

That said, us talking about the peculiarities of Palmar/BC and the claims therein is good discussion. I've thought about this, and it really comes down to that neither of them are particularly trustworthy or believable, and either or both could be mafia or 3rd Party.
Writer@WriterYamato
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
April 30 2013 14:33 GMT
#3598
ShiaoPi is at L-1. Hammer with care.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
April 30 2013 14:34 GMT
#3599
I'd rather we didn't hammer him yet and use the day a bit more. I'm treating Shiao as confirmed scum. There's no need to shorten the day.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
April 30 2013 14:35 GMT
#3600
Speaking of which, GiggleS, how do you view the Palmar/BC situation? Do you think one/both is scum?
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