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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
March 28 2013 21:06 GMT
#1541
On March 29 2013 06:05 prplhz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2013 06:03 Hapahauli wrote:
On March 29 2013 06:03 prplhz wrote:
On March 29 2013 05:59 Hapahauli wrote:
On March 29 2013 05:57 prplhz wrote:
On March 29 2013 05:55 Hapahauli wrote:
On March 29 2013 05:55 prplhz wrote:
Not strongandbig and not InsertSmurfHere. We can talk more after the flip.


How do you know I"ll be alive post-flip?

What answer are you looking for here exactly?


Point is, we dont' know who's going to die tonight. I have 1 hour before the deadline, and I want to figure out what you're thinking now in case I get shot.

I don't know. I just read up on strongandbig and but I don't think he's scum. I started with him because people are hating on him real bad and I want form my own opinion.


Okay... so who are you suspicious of? You have literally no scum-reads to speak of.

That's right, I don't have a scum read I want to discuss in the thread right now. I might or might not have a scum read I don't want to discuss in the thread right now.


Why... what... why... the... why...
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ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
March 28 2013 21:07 GMT
#1542
On March 29 2013 06:06 strongandbig wrote:
as for who I want to lynch tomorrow, I'm thinking obviousone.
Forget the retarded backandforth about his meta, here's why:
(1) the case on ryan was super scummy, both the tone and the reasoning.
(2) he's been grubbing for towncred, going back in his own filter and pointing out where he's been right to make sure we all know it, and doing things that are typically "townie looking things that don't help town." example: he posted that big block of bold text about consolidation, then completely dropped it when no one but me responded, then when we were looking at the last minute for someone to lynch, he quoted his own big block of text and was all like "this town sucks right now"
(3) most suspiciously - just look at the amount of effort versus content. He's putting a lot of text in the thread about how he's filtering this guy and that guy, how he's doing so much analysis, etctera. He's written all that text, and what cases or arguments has he actually made? A couple bullet points on Grack, and that terrible scummy case on Ryan. That's it.
So yeah that's who I want to lynch tomorrow.

This one wanted to literally last-minute vote switch to me 10 min to night post. Just a reminder. Is that what he always or just for the players he is incapable of discerning awful play from versus scum play from?
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
March 28 2013 21:08 GMT
#1543
On March 29 2013 06:05 Hapahauli wrote:
Also, why do you think SnB is town? This feels a lot like his mafia-game in Chrono Trigger, where he couldn't sustain his activity past early D1.

I don't know about Chrono Trigger (I always avoid reading up on that game when it comes to meta because I don't understand the setup in the slightest) but I don't see him being less active in this game than in his other town games. On the other hand his posting has been a lot less meticulous than in his scum games and way more like his town game.
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
March 28 2013 21:09 GMT
#1544
Is this what he always does*
My iPod ate a word
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18247 Posts
March 28 2013 21:09 GMT
#1545
On March 29 2013 06:05 Hapahauli wrote:
Also, why do you think SnB is town? This feels a lot like his mafia-game in Chrono Trigger, where he couldn't sustain his activity past early D1.

My problem with calling SnB scum outright is that I don't see that much difference between here and Personality. He was slightly more confident in his reads, but SnB is never particularly active on D1. If he starts giving good insights from now onwards, then he's probably town. If he keeps doing nothing except calling Drazerk and me scum, then he's scum. When he's scum he is eternally butthurt over HRM. When he's town he eventually gets over it.
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
March 28 2013 21:10 GMT
#1546
On March 29 2013 06:08 prplhz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2013 06:05 Hapahauli wrote:
Also, why do you think SnB is town? This feels a lot like his mafia-game in Chrono Trigger, where he couldn't sustain his activity past early D1.

I don't know about Chrono Trigger (I always avoid reading up on that game when it comes to meta because I don't understand the setup in the slightest) but I don't see him being less active in this game than in his other town games. On the other hand his posting has been a lot less meticulous than in his scum games and way more like his town game.

I also think it's a little early to conclude anything about his supposed failing activity.
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
March 28 2013 21:11 GMT
#1547
On March 29 2013 05:59 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2013 05:14 strongandbig wrote:
I took a look at acro's filter, I don't have too strong of a read on him but I wouldn't be surprised if he's scum.
(1) he threw his vote around at the start of the game but most of his filter just feels more "focused" than I would expect. One guy at a time, really pushing. This is what I would expect out of either a town-organizer type or a bad-townie who thought he caught a scum slip, but acro doesn't fit either of these models. This is also what I would expect out of a decent scummer.
(2) the reasoning for voting nisani was scummy as fuck - "ignore your terrible meta arguments, he's being anti town!" There's nothing actual scum love more than Ace's patented "you're hurting town" lynch.
(3) he keeps using the word "Scumspect", I want to cut a hole in that word's flesh and dildo it.
(4) one of his three big bullet points on why ish is scum is that his reads have been wrong. again, super scummy logic.

On the other hand, there is some stuff I like in his filter too. Specifically, i feel like his suspicions on marv made sense, as did the fact that he backed off them a little bit when marv got more involved, and the fact that he still hasn't backed all the way off, as he well shouldn't.

I'm used to you being biased against me, but I'm not used to you being this bad at it.

1) Nonsense.
2) The meta was rubbish. You should know, you've played with Nisani. He has a very similar style as both scum and as town, so trying to give him townie points for style is rubbish. That Hapa was right in hindsight doesn't change the fact that the meta was rubbish. So that leaves "what have you done and why have you done it this game?" which I thought was scum motivated.
3) My scumspects are scumspicious.
4) /facepalm. You didn't even read that bit did you? The main point of that bullet was his dodgy reasoning for voting for Nisani.


1 is just a gut feeling, im not expecting it'll persuade anyone else.
but 2 is not nonsense. Hapa was making specific distinctions between how nisani plays as scum and how he plays as town, and you were just brushing them off with the non-responsive argument "he's lazy and scummy looking as both alignments." That's not a real thing.
as for 4 i assumed the sentence with the big bolded colored words was more important than the supporting sentence which followed it, my bad. you still made the argument that he's scum because his scum reads have died and flipped town.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
March 28 2013 21:12 GMT
#1548
On March 29 2013 06:10 prplhz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2013 06:08 prplhz wrote:
On March 29 2013 06:05 Hapahauli wrote:
Also, why do you think SnB is town? This feels a lot like his mafia-game in Chrono Trigger, where he couldn't sustain his activity past early D1.

I don't know about Chrono Trigger (I always avoid reading up on that game when it comes to meta because I don't understand the setup in the slightest) but I don't see him being less active in this game than in his other town games. On the other hand his posting has been a lot less meticulous than in his scum games and way more like his town game.

I also think it's a little early to conclude anything about his supposed failing activity.


Okay, defend ALL THE THINGS. That's cool and all, but who else would you suggest for a lynching? What reason could you possibly have to not disclose your reads right now?
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
March 28 2013 21:13 GMT
#1549
On March 29 2013 06:07 ObviousOne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2013 06:06 strongandbig wrote:
as for who I want to lynch tomorrow, I'm thinking obviousone.
Forget the retarded backandforth about his meta, here's why:
(1) the case on ryan was super scummy, both the tone and the reasoning.
(2) he's been grubbing for towncred, going back in his own filter and pointing out where he's been right to make sure we all know it, and doing things that are typically "townie looking things that don't help town." example: he posted that big block of bold text about consolidation, then completely dropped it when no one but me responded, then when we were looking at the last minute for someone to lynch, he quoted his own big block of text and was all like "this town sucks right now"
(3) most suspiciously - just look at the amount of effort versus content. He's putting a lot of text in the thread about how he's filtering this guy and that guy, how he's doing so much analysis, etctera. He's written all that text, and what cases or arguments has he actually made? A couple bullet points on Grack, and that terrible scummy case on Ryan. That's it.
So yeah that's who I want to lynch tomorrow.

This one wanted to literally last-minute vote switch to me 10 min to night post. Just a reminder. Is that what he always or just for the players he is incapable of discerning awful play from versus scum play from?


ah now we have the "my play was scummy because i am bad" card
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
March 28 2013 21:15 GMT
#1550
On March 29 2013 06:12 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2013 06:10 prplhz wrote:
On March 29 2013 06:08 prplhz wrote:
On March 29 2013 06:05 Hapahauli wrote:
Also, why do you think SnB is town? This feels a lot like his mafia-game in Chrono Trigger, where he couldn't sustain his activity past early D1.

I don't know about Chrono Trigger (I always avoid reading up on that game when it comes to meta because I don't understand the setup in the slightest) but I don't see him being less active in this game than in his other town games. On the other hand his posting has been a lot less meticulous than in his scum games and way more like his town game.

I also think it's a little early to conclude anything about his supposed failing activity.


Okay, defend ALL THE THINGS. That's cool and all, but who else would you suggest for a lynching? What reason could you possibly have to not disclose your reads right now?


maybe he's a DT and doesn't want his check to get framed?

Maybe he's scum and is going to kill you so he doesn't have to answer your question because we totally aren't going to make him answer this exact same stuff whether or not you're dead?

maybe he thinks scum will kill him if his reads are correct? (this one is unlikely)
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
March 28 2013 21:15 GMT
#1551
On March 29 2013 06:12 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2013 06:10 prplhz wrote:
On March 29 2013 06:08 prplhz wrote:
On March 29 2013 06:05 Hapahauli wrote:
Also, why do you think SnB is town? This feels a lot like his mafia-game in Chrono Trigger, where he couldn't sustain his activity past early D1.

I don't know about Chrono Trigger (I always avoid reading up on that game when it comes to meta because I don't understand the setup in the slightest) but I don't see him being less active in this game than in his other town games. On the other hand his posting has been a lot less meticulous than in his scum games and way more like his town game.

I also think it's a little early to conclude anything about his supposed failing activity.


Okay, defend ALL THE THINGS. That's cool and all, but who else would you suggest for a lynching? What reason could you possibly have to not disclose your reads right now?

I wouldn't suggest anybody for lynching. If I had a gun and I had to use it, I could probably come up with someone but luckily I don't.

Figure something out yourself to the second question. You want me to say that I'm not sure about my reads and I'd prefer to hold on to them for now? You want me to say that I'm a vigilante and I don't want to poke the scum I'm shooting in the thread before deadline? Should be pretty obvious that I don't want to talk about it so I'm not talking about it. No, asking me to talk about it is not going to change my mind.
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
March 28 2013 21:15 GMT
#1552
So you're Dismissing that your last minute vote switch attempt to me didn't have any real drive or purpose? FotM is tasty after all.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
March 28 2013 21:15 GMT
#1553
On March 29 2013 06:07 ObviousOne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2013 06:06 strongandbig wrote:
as for who I want to lynch tomorrow, I'm thinking obviousone.
Forget the retarded backandforth about his meta, here's why:
(1) the case on ryan was super scummy, both the tone and the reasoning.
(2) he's been grubbing for towncred, going back in his own filter and pointing out where he's been right to make sure we all know it, and doing things that are typically "townie looking things that don't help town." example: he posted that big block of bold text about consolidation, then completely dropped it when no one but me responded, then when we were looking at the last minute for someone to lynch, he quoted his own big block of text and was all like "this town sucks right now"
(3) most suspiciously - just look at the amount of effort versus content. He's putting a lot of text in the thread about how he's filtering this guy and that guy, how he's doing so much analysis, etctera. He's written all that text, and what cases or arguments has he actually made? A couple bullet points on Grack, and that terrible scummy case on Ryan. That's it.
So yeah that's who I want to lynch tomorrow.

This one wanted to literally last-minute vote switch to me 10 min to night post. Just a reminder. Is that what he always or just for the players he is incapable of discerning awful play from versus scum play from?


Why are you insinuating that your play was bad? What are you referring to?
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
March 28 2013 21:16 GMT
#1554
On March 29 2013 06:09 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2013 06:05 Hapahauli wrote:
Also, why do you think SnB is town? This feels a lot like his mafia-game in Chrono Trigger, where he couldn't sustain his activity past early D1.

My problem with calling SnB scum outright is that I don't see that much difference between here and Personality. He was slightly more confident in his reads, but SnB is never particularly active on D1. If he starts giving good insights from now onwards, then he's probably town. If he keeps doing nothing except calling Drazerk and me scum, then he's scum. When he's scum he is eternally butthurt over HRM. When he's town he eventually gets over it.


this is actually pretty accurate. being butthurt over hrm is a really good excuse not to have real reads when im scum.

the drazerk thing is not alignment indicative though. i will rage at him as either alignment. it's like we have a special bond <3
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
March 28 2013 21:17 GMT
#1555
On March 29 2013 06:15 strongandbig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2013 06:12 Hapahauli wrote:
On March 29 2013 06:10 prplhz wrote:
On March 29 2013 06:08 prplhz wrote:
On March 29 2013 06:05 Hapahauli wrote:
Also, why do you think SnB is town? This feels a lot like his mafia-game in Chrono Trigger, where he couldn't sustain his activity past early D1.

I don't know about Chrono Trigger (I always avoid reading up on that game when it comes to meta because I don't understand the setup in the slightest) but I don't see him being less active in this game than in his other town games. On the other hand his posting has been a lot less meticulous than in his scum games and way more like his town game.

I also think it's a little early to conclude anything about his supposed failing activity.


Okay, defend ALL THE THINGS. That's cool and all, but who else would you suggest for a lynching? What reason could you possibly have to not disclose your reads right now?


maybe he's a DT and doesn't want his check to get framed?

Maybe he's scum and is going to kill you so he doesn't have to answer your question because we totally aren't going to make him answer this exact same stuff whether or not you're dead?

maybe he thinks scum will kill him if his reads are correct? (this one is unlikely)


With the DT thing, you should almost never check your scumreads or people you think you can get lynched. You should be checking null reads.

Whaddya think of our buddy prplhz anyway?
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
March 28 2013 21:18 GMT
#1556
On March 29 2013 06:17 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2013 06:15 strongandbig wrote:
On March 29 2013 06:12 Hapahauli wrote:
On March 29 2013 06:10 prplhz wrote:
On March 29 2013 06:08 prplhz wrote:
On March 29 2013 06:05 Hapahauli wrote:
Also, why do you think SnB is town? This feels a lot like his mafia-game in Chrono Trigger, where he couldn't sustain his activity past early D1.

I don't know about Chrono Trigger (I always avoid reading up on that game when it comes to meta because I don't understand the setup in the slightest) but I don't see him being less active in this game than in his other town games. On the other hand his posting has been a lot less meticulous than in his scum games and way more like his town game.

I also think it's a little early to conclude anything about his supposed failing activity.


Okay, defend ALL THE THINGS. That's cool and all, but who else would you suggest for a lynching? What reason could you possibly have to not disclose your reads right now?


maybe he's a DT and doesn't want his check to get framed?

Maybe he's scum and is going to kill you so he doesn't have to answer your question because we totally aren't going to make him answer this exact same stuff whether or not you're dead?

maybe he thinks scum will kill him if his reads are correct? (this one is unlikely)


With the DT thing, you should almost never check your scumreads or people you think you can get lynched. You should be checking null reads.

Whaddya think of our buddy prplhz anyway?

Do you think I'm scum Hapahauli?
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
March 28 2013 21:18 GMT
#1557
On March 29 2013 06:15 ObviousOne wrote:
So you're Dismissing that your last minute vote switch attempt to me didn't have any real drive or purpose? FotM is tasty after all.


if by "last minute vote switch attempt" you mean "one sentence" then yeah it didn't have much drive seeing as how it was only one sentence

however it did have a purpose - just to get people thinking about you and how you're probably scum
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
March 28 2013 21:19 GMT
#1558
On March 29 2013 06:15 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2013 06:07 ObviousOne wrote:
On March 29 2013 06:06 strongandbig wrote:
as for who I want to lynch tomorrow, I'm thinking obviousone.
Forget the retarded backandforth about his meta, here's why:
(1) the case on ryan was super scummy, both the tone and the reasoning.
(2) he's been grubbing for towncred, going back in his own filter and pointing out where he's been right to make sure we all know it, and doing things that are typically "townie looking things that don't help town." example: he posted that big block of bold text about consolidation, then completely dropped it when no one but me responded, then when we were looking at the last minute for someone to lynch, he quoted his own big block of text and was all like "this town sucks right now"
(3) most suspiciously - just look at the amount of effort versus content. He's putting a lot of text in the thread about how he's filtering this guy and that guy, how he's doing so much analysis, etctera. He's written all that text, and what cases or arguments has he actually made? A couple bullet points on Grack, and that terrible scummy case on Ryan. That's it.
So yeah that's who I want to lynch tomorrow.

This one wanted to literally last-minute vote switch to me 10 min to night post. Just a reminder. Is that what he always or just for the players he is incapable of discerning awful play from versus scum play from?


Why are you insinuating that your play was bad? What are you referring to?

It's objectively bad in hindsight.
I wanted to lynch Grack. He was town.
I wanted to lynch Rayn. I've since changed my mind.
I wanted to lynch Kei. Mason claim lends itself to being town.
I've tunneled poor targets for poor reasons all of D1. I call it bad because it was wrong and especially when I disregarded Kei's request to talk it out.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
March 28 2013 21:20 GMT
#1559
On March 29 2013 06:18 prplhz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2013 06:17 Hapahauli wrote:
On March 29 2013 06:15 strongandbig wrote:
On March 29 2013 06:12 Hapahauli wrote:
On March 29 2013 06:10 prplhz wrote:
On March 29 2013 06:08 prplhz wrote:
On March 29 2013 06:05 Hapahauli wrote:
Also, why do you think SnB is town? This feels a lot like his mafia-game in Chrono Trigger, where he couldn't sustain his activity past early D1.

I don't know about Chrono Trigger (I always avoid reading up on that game when it comes to meta because I don't understand the setup in the slightest) but I don't see him being less active in this game than in his other town games. On the other hand his posting has been a lot less meticulous than in his scum games and way more like his town game.

I also think it's a little early to conclude anything about his supposed failing activity.


Okay, defend ALL THE THINGS. That's cool and all, but who else would you suggest for a lynching? What reason could you possibly have to not disclose your reads right now?


maybe he's a DT and doesn't want his check to get framed?

Maybe he's scum and is going to kill you so he doesn't have to answer your question because we totally aren't going to make him answer this exact same stuff whether or not you're dead?

maybe he thinks scum will kill him if his reads are correct? (this one is unlikely)


With the DT thing, you should almost never check your scumreads or people you think you can get lynched. You should be checking null reads.

Whaddya think of our buddy prplhz anyway?

Do you think I'm scum Hapahauli?


Not sure at all. You're a bit of a wild-card for me right now. Maybe null leaning-town.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
March 28 2013 21:21 GMT
#1560
On March 29 2013 06:19 ObviousOne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2013 06:15 Hapahauli wrote:
On March 29 2013 06:07 ObviousOne wrote:
On March 29 2013 06:06 strongandbig wrote:
as for who I want to lynch tomorrow, I'm thinking obviousone.
Forget the retarded backandforth about his meta, here's why:
(1) the case on ryan was super scummy, both the tone and the reasoning.
(2) he's been grubbing for towncred, going back in his own filter and pointing out where he's been right to make sure we all know it, and doing things that are typically "townie looking things that don't help town." example: he posted that big block of bold text about consolidation, then completely dropped it when no one but me responded, then when we were looking at the last minute for someone to lynch, he quoted his own big block of text and was all like "this town sucks right now"
(3) most suspiciously - just look at the amount of effort versus content. He's putting a lot of text in the thread about how he's filtering this guy and that guy, how he's doing so much analysis, etctera. He's written all that text, and what cases or arguments has he actually made? A couple bullet points on Grack, and that terrible scummy case on Ryan. That's it.
So yeah that's who I want to lynch tomorrow.

This one wanted to literally last-minute vote switch to me 10 min to night post. Just a reminder. Is that what he always or just for the players he is incapable of discerning awful play from versus scum play from?


Why are you insinuating that your play was bad? What are you referring to?

It's objectively bad in hindsight.
I wanted to lynch Grack. He was town.
I wanted to lynch Rayn. I've since changed my mind.
I wanted to lynch Kei. Mason claim lends itself to being town.
I've tunneled poor targets for poor reasons all of D1. I call it bad because it was wrong and especially when I disregarded Kei's request to talk it out.


Yeah but SnB is attacking you for none of those reasons.
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