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On March 29 2013 07:29 cDgCorazon wrote:
Prp, would you like to start your D2 over and contribute something to the discussion? I don't understand why you are worrying about how much KP the scum have, that's just stupid setup speculation as an excuse for not contributing anything.
I want to see some reads, whether you want to show them or not.
On March 30 2013 00:33 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2013 00:17 prplhz wrote:On March 30 2013 00:07 cDgCorazon wrote:On March 29 2013 06:39 cDgCorazon wrote:
Last but not least is Palmar. Looking through his filter again, I found a lot of posts talking about town reads while he was tunneling Grack. He made a lot of town reads (at least 6-7), and did not give very much explanation on many of them. However, the other stumbling block with Palmar is Grack's kill. If Palmar was scum, why would he kill his tunnel and the person that his primary scumhunting was on? I could see him being town from that, but his other actions have me worried. His random flip-flopping between Nisani and Sinani was really sketch as well, and his D1 play just worries me. This is what I said on Palmar before. That's why I had made that post thinking about Palmar's kill. Also in my filter (because you obviously aren't reading the thread): On March 29 2013 07:29 cDgCorazon wrote:
Prp, would you like to start your D2 over and contribute something to the discussion? I don't understand why you are worrying about how much KP the scum have, that's just stupid setup speculation as an excuse for not contributing anything.
I want to see some reads, whether you want to show them or not. Let me know when you are interested in actually trying. That makes no sense at all. You are worrying about Palmar's night kill because of a post you made where you talked about how Palmar could either be town or scum? I fail to see the connection. Rereading that post, why is it a "stumbling block" that Grackaroni was killed? It seems like you're regarding something you think points at Palmar being town as an obstacle. You are also berating me for setup speculation when you are doing the exact same thing in this post. The big difference though, is that your setup speculation is a conclusion that make absolutely no sense (either town or scum vig, no chance of KP) while my "setup speculation" is an interesting question. Prp, you are really grasping at nothing here. I just made a comment that explained the possible night kill. At least I didn't walk in and say "HEY GUYS, HOW MANY MAFIA DO YOU THINK THERE ARE?" which is basically you trying to shit up the thread. Grack being killed was making the Palmar read hard because he wasn't playing a very town-oriented game but scum Palmar would not attack his tunnel target. That was the part that was confusing me. I did not make any set-up speculation in the post you linked. I was wondering whether a town vig or a scum vig did the kill. That's a lot more valuable that mafia's KP. Let me know when you have actual points you want to make. Attacking me with this silly nonsense isn't doing you any favors.
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Ok that claim makes a ton more sense.
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On April 01 2013 01:43 Oatsmaster wrote:
Im bored again and its night.
Why dandel ion and OO? Seems incredibly weird especially with the 3 confirmed townies and marv.
This is actually an interesting question. And its 4 confirmed town + marv (Me, cora, Hapa, S&B). And yes, I am including Cora and myself in there because 1) if rayn is town, then he confirmed us as town with his "Mason check" thing and 2) if rayn is scum, then Cora and I can't be scum with him because that would be 5 scum (again, assuming Smurf actually is scum, which I'm like 99.9999% sure of).
So, I would never have lynched OO. He might not have been "confirmed" town, but something very very drastic would have had to have happened before I would have ever stopped fighting against lynching him.
Dandel was a weird kill though. I think most of us had him as a slight town read early (?), but towards the middle of day 2 I started thinking he might be scum because he hadn't really been doing a whole lot.
But Hapa and S&B. They are only confirmed town through each other. And we really have no idea if scum actually have 2 KP or not. It could have been an elaborate ploy, but if it is, then Hapa is literally playing the scum game of the year and 100000x better than he played scum in Mario and (what I remember of) Duel.
I'm really not sure why none of us were lynched. It doesn't make sense. Maybe they were random? Acro's role PM doesn't really say exactly how he rigs the votes.
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Um what overpowered town role is this?
multishot vigi.
Game has tons of masons.
Ok so by process of elimination.
Prp/sinani/smurf are scum
Unless hapa is playing the best game of his life.
Everyone else is either confirmed town by roles(Marv) Or claimed blue with no counterclaim.
Actually what did OO say about marv? (Checking now myself)
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How is it OP if there are 6 masons and one of them is scum?
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There could be more. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a scum who had access to our QT and wasn't posting. Might want to check someone in the group of Oats/Sinani/Prplhz to see if they have mason access.
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ok he said this
On March 30 2013 12:17 ObviousOne wrote:
Keirathi, trust me on Marv town.
This is not a joke, this is for serious.
If I could tell you exactly why, I would, but my role does not permit it.
In other news, you just pointed out that Acro was pushing on Smurf, and I had a moment of clarity. There was no reason for a scum Acro to push a scum Smurf D1. I am dropping Acro for Smurf. You brought up his having a bullshit townread on prp. Let's talk about Smurf.
Extremely unclear, and it COULD BE(VERY UNLIKELY) that OO interpreted the info wrongly.
So conclusion, unless host is bastard host, Marv is town.
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On April 01 2013 01:56 Oatsmaster wrote:
Actually what did OO say about marv? (Checking now myself)
On March 30 2013 12:17 ObviousOne wrote:
Keirathi, trust me on Marv town.
This is not a joke, this is for serious.
If I could tell you exactly why, I would, but my role does not permit it.
On March 31 2013 07:00 Kurumi wrote:
ObviousOne the Setup Guy
Oh look! You are Qatol. The guy who does not play a lot, but balances a lot! It would be weird if you weren't balancing this one! The problem is, you are such a cool guy you balance pretty much every game, so you don't remember all the details about this one. At the start of every night you are going to be given an information about the setup, because you just remembered it! You win with Town when you kill the Scum! Did I mention that you can't ever claim that information in the THREAD? You probably should find a mason circle...
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On April 01 2013 01:59 Hapahauli wrote:
There could be more. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a scum who had access to our QT and wasn't posting. Might want to check someone in the group of Oats/Sinani/Prplhz to see if they have mason access.
I wish.
Honestly a themed game.
And I get VT.
Buddies for life eh Dandel Ion? <3
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@ Rayn
When are you allowed to make shots?
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On April 01 2013 01:59 Hapahauli wrote:
There could be more. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a scum who had access to our QT and wasn't posting. Might want to check someone in the group of Oats/Sinani/Prplhz to see if they have mason access.
That's why i want every town mason to claim. There is no harm shooting into non-masons as they can't die to my shots. If they are scum and have acces to mason QT they do die. No risk - possible profit!
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On April 01 2013 02:03 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Rayn
When are you allowed to make shots?
On anyone not in our masun QT: Normal night action -> end of the night.
On people in our mason QT: whenever
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What happens when you shoot someone not in a mason QT? Can you make a shot on someone w/out knowing if they're in one or not?
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well see ya guys tmr.
If marv/hapa/keir doesnt die. I would be extremely suprised.
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On April 01 2013 02:12 Hapahauli wrote:
What happens when you shoot someone not in a mason QT? Can you make a shot on someone w/out knowing if they're in one or not?
If i shoot someone who is not mason nothing happens.
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And yes, i can shoot without knowing if someone is mason or not. They are notified somehow about the the shot if they are not mason.
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Oh swell. So check someone in the non-confirmed pool (Sinani, Oats, prplhz) and shoot someone else. Maybe we can get lucky.
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On April 01 2013 01:48 marvellosity wrote:
The point is that mafia can bus with impunity with the vote rigger
Somehow I missed this post.
But thinking back, this is really the biggest reason that my Acro->sinani analysis falls apart. First off, when Acro made the case on sinani, it was pretty obvious that Smurf was still going to be lynched first. And Acro had no idea that the day would be a double lynch, because that was Palmar's night action (presumably).
Now, lets think about the vote rigger role itself. Presumably Acro asked Kurumi if using his power would affect both of the lynches. Which means 100% that yesterday was the day to use it (why lynch one townie for free, when you can lynch two?).
So, if Acro can affect both lynches, then pushing 2 of his teammates really isn't very risky. The vote rigging is anonymous, and even if the vote rigging "frames" his two teammates and they get lynched successively at a later point, Acro still looks good coming out of it because he was pushing them.
* isclaimer: The other side of that is Acro could "frame" 2 townies with the vote rigging too. Or 1 townie and 1 scum. This is all in a hypothetical where Acro himself didn't get lynched, ofc, but whoever the two town-chosen lynches were, they both come out of the rigged lynches looking much worse.
TL;DR - my analysis about sinani not being scum with Acro is irrelevant. I still don't think there is a ton that points to him actually being scum (the biggest being how hard Acro chainsaw defended him day 1), but I think it is a decent possibility again.
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On April 01 2013 03:09 Hapahauli wrote:
Oh swell. So check someone in the non-confirmed pool (Sinani, Oats, prplhz) and shoot someone else. Maybe we can get lucky.
I believe he can only do one at a time? Either check, or shoot. Not both?
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On April 01 2013 03:11 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2013 03:09 Hapahauli wrote:
Oh swell. So check someone in the non-confirmed pool (Sinani, Oats, prplhz) and shoot someone else. Maybe we can get lucky. I believe he can only do one at a time? Either check, or shoot. Not both?
Correct. If all masons claim shooting is the same thing as checking someone, except that if i find a liar they insta-die.
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