Idk, a lot of prplhz's D2 posts include questioning people about scum KP and it seems like he is legitmately trying to catch scum with his questions. Might be a well planned claim from scum. If prplhz is town the targets make sense if some things just match. There is no reason for N2 to kill a blue role or target anyone other than Smurf basically.

prplhz were you trying to kill Palmar or give him a gun? Why exactly did you target Palmar N1?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 31 2013 22:15 GMT

#2351

what would pirate be?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 31 2013 22:16 GMT

#2352

Also if prplhz is in fact town it does not automatically mean scum have 1 KP, they might have shot Palmar aswell.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 31 2013 23:11 GMT

#2374

i had no read on palmar n1. he was townie early but he didn't care much about lynch (saying "i can lynch anybody" and then in the end he just kind of meh'd while we lynched into 6%) and he wasn't active at night so i thought i'd give him and gun and see what happened. if he looked scum on d2 then i could just give him another gun (would kill him). i didn't at all predict that he was blue.

Excuse me but following your logic from N1 (gunning Palmar) why did you give the gun to Smurf? Why not sinani and if he does not die you kill him the next night? Smurf was anyways gonna get lynched today and you 100% knew it.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 31 2013 23:16 GMT

#2376

On April 01 2013 08:13 marvellosity wrote:

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That's why he did it to Smurf, silly.

No it's not. This way we have no way of knowing if prplhz's claim is legit. Had he gunned sinani he could have proved his claim on N3 by regunning sinani -> kill him. Smurf hangs anyways today.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 31 2013 23:24 GMT

#2378

Look at it this way:

If prplhz is town he knows there are three scum in me/Oats/Smurf(almost confirmed)/sinani. Smurf hangs anyway today. If he guns sinani he either flips red, flips green or lives. He can kill sinani on N3. If he flips red good, if he flips green prplhz knows me and Oats are scum. Hell he can even kill me by gunning me the next night.

His logic in giving Smurf a gun makes no sense.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 31 2013 23:24 GMT

#2379

EBWOP: Flips green -> Flips blue

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Finland43270 Posts

March 31 2013 23:30 GMT

#2381

But he said he used that logic in giving Palmar the gun. Why does he not use the same logic here and assumes sinani can shoot?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 31 2013 23:37 GMT

#2383

What i am saying is prplhz either:
1) assumed Palmar could not shoot on N2 but somehow now assumes sinani can on N3 if he gave him the gun
2) gave out a KP to a possible scum!Palmar without further thinking on N1.

Either way i can't see how this is in anyway townie behaviour.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 31 2013 23:38 GMT

#2384

On April 01 2013 08:35 Keirathi wrote:
I honestly have no idea. But I don't think it matters, either.

You check prplhz tonight. Prplhz gives a gun to sinani.

We have a mislynch to give anyways. Lynch Sinani -> Oatsmaster -> prplhz and we win.

You are right but the fact that we have the game pretty much solved does not mean we should stop playing until the game is won.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 31 2013 23:45 GMT

#2386

On April 01 2013 08:38 marvellosity wrote:

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You're mistaking suboptimal play for mafia play, methinks

I know for example i myself have done many things this game that are suboptimal play. Like i was completely lost on N1, and when D2 started i took a full re-look at what happened on D1 and threw every read i had to the trash can because i was obviously on the wrong track regarding the whole game.

But i do not think this is suboptimal play. This is really bad play or mafia. I don't care if prplhz is right or wrong in his logic but the fact that he is suddenly using very different logic on a thing that could confirm him as town makes this very fishy.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 31 2013 23:52 GMT

#2392

Probably used the power on noone if that's possible.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 31 2013 23:53 GMT

#2393

On April 01 2013 08:50 prplhz wrote:
also i'm sure you can find something more scummy about killing a townie blue palmar n1 than "why didn't you try to repeat it n2"

But the point is if sinani flipped blue by now you would know who the rest of the scumteam is!!

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

April 01 2013 00:04 GMT

#2398

On April 01 2013 08:59 marvellosity wrote:

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Yes, and you left a claimed mafia vote-rigger liar alive on a double lynch day with 2 mafia up for the lynch. Whatever thought process you're criticizing, it's a much less egregious sin than that I'm afraid.

So you are saying that as i made a mistake i am not allowed to tell why i think people are scummy?
Fine, let's just sit and hold hands and see if we win or lose.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

April 01 2013 00:05 GMT

#2401

On April 01 2013 09:02 prplhz wrote:
i wouldn't know the rest of the scum team and playing it safe was a better idea than taking huge risks for flimsy evidence.

Can you explain how you think there can be scum outside me/Oats/sinani/Smurf?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

April 01 2013 00:28 GMT

#2404

On April 01 2013 09:08 marvellosity wrote:

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That's not what I'm saying at all. You're criticising a thought process on his Night 2 action and generally calling his actions "not townie behaviour". Ostensibly your action in leaving a mafia alive who could lynch two townies instead of 2 mafia is the single most scum-motivated move in the thread other than the vote rigging itself.

I didn't know how Acro's role worked. His claim in QT could have been a fake claim, even from a townie. He could have been able to only switch one lynch in a different way. I would have shot him/Smurf anyways come N2 unless 2 scum had been lynched (in case acro was town and directed the lynch on him to scum). I was out and had not time to think about it but i definitely did not expect a powerful role that allowed two townies dead D2. Had i shot Acro and had he flipped town on D2 that would have been a disaster. I know i made a big mistake but i did not have enough time to think it through so that's what i did think then.

Choosing Smurf night 2 is simply not scummy at all. Giving a gun to Palmar was potentially scummy but potentially just misguided. I'm basically saying you're being a little hypocritical, as you should have some empathy with a townie who didn't use his role in the absolute best manner.

I know in itself it's not scummy. But prplhz gave gun to Palmar on N1 using logic:
Give gun -> flip blue/red or no flip -> If Palmar lives and if scummy on N2 -> kill him.

Now prplhz here must assume (as town) that rest of the scum are in me/sinani/Smurf/Oats. Smurf will flip this day. If Smurf flips red, last two scum are in me/sinani/Oats. Think about it. Give gun to sinani -> shoot him on N3 (scum dies). If sinani somehow flips blue on D3 start -> shoot me on N3 (scum dies). Either way there is only one scum left on D4 or prplhz knows who the 2 last scum are -> he can even shoot me on N4.

The weird change of his logic is bothering me. There is nothing "safe" in giving the gun to Smurf, he would kill scum anyways on N3 (or know the rest of the scumteam). Why play it "safe" when you can figure the game out instead with pretty much no chance of losing? Unless prplhz thought he was gonna get shot on N2, which is ridiculous in itself.