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as the rest of my ban got cancelled. | ||
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There might be some new player who thinks the game is already full because they don't know you. | ||
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On March 22 2013 12:52 JarJarDrinks wrote: Hey all, Don't worry I wont lurk @ all once the game starts rolling. Being how I've never played against any of y'all I have nothing to base any read off so I probably wont throw down a vote untill everyone's posted a bit. It's pretty interesting you say this. How do you propose we actually get the game going if everyone acts like this? | ||
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Why so defensive? Afraid of something? | ||
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I find it really odd that people post about Harry Potter stuff when there actually is something to talk to. That doesn't really qualify as "get the game going", does it? | ||
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Don't you find it odd that people do not talk anything relevant to the game when there is stuff to talk about? I understand people's first posts usually say nothing (or very little) but when there is something to talk about (in this case three votes and a FoS and at least one post i found interesting and worth questioning) there is no excuse to continue with posting something that does not help you find mafia. | ||
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On March 22 2013 22:28 TheRavensName wrote: I gotta agree that jarjars post and hostility might be a little suspicious... however I know I did something similar in the last nmm and ended up doing some pretty decent work so I see no reason to punish it till after other people show up. Day 1 is a scary and uncertain period for those unsure how to get the ball rolling. What's hostile in JarJar's posts? | ||
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On March 22 2013 23:03 Frorgon wrote: What's wrong Raven? You guys trying to cover each other's ass? If they are covering each other, why would JarJar point out Raven's suspicious actions? On top of saying "JarJar is hostile" - look at the the post: I gotta agree that jarjars post and hostility might be a little suspicious... however I know I did something similar in the last nmm and ended up doing some pretty decent work so I see no reason to punish it till after other people show up. Day 1 is a scary and uncertain period for those unsure how to get the ball rolling. - Raven "agrees with me" that JarJar is hostile. I have never implied i think JarJar is being hostile. Raven is basically saying i think JarJar is hostile which is a pure lie. Because i don't think so. - Raven is saying "JarJar might be suspicious but might not be". What's the point of saying so? Someone is suspicious or not. Mafia tends to do that because they would already know they are accusing a townie and it's easier to retract from your accusation if you give yourself an out in the first place. - "Day 1 is a scary and uncertain period for those unsure how to get the ball rolling". Spreading fear. There is no point saying this kinda stuff if you are town. We need discussion and you are not promoting it here at all. You are doing the opposite. This is not townielike at all. I think TheRavensName is mafia. | ||
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What you are saying in your post is either obvious or repeating stuff that other people have said. So you are not really saying much. Do you think TheRavensName is mafia or not at the moment? You pointed out something yet you lack the conclusion. | ||
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I called JarJar out because i found it odd he needed to tell everyone he isn't gonna lurk. I don't think that was a "bunch of shit". It also started the discussion. Why do you think calling out little stuff early on in the game is scummy? Because there is nothing but little stuff to start with. I thought the hostile meant his behaviour is hostile, not that the word hostile=scum. Why do you think Raven meant it that way? It's not sheeping if you agree with someone. I made the same observation he did and pointed it out (in addition i pointed out other stuff i found out scummy in Raven's post). Based on what JarJar has said i'm leaning town on him. He's being open and actually does shit that makes sense. What's your read on Raven? | ||
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Do you agree with me in my post where i told why i think Raven is scummy? If yes, why, if not, why? | ||
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On March 23 2013 00:19 virtu wrote: rayn: Not really repeating anything people have said, and if it was obvious then you wouldn't have been the one telling people to comment on the votes that have been made instead of saying hi and commenting on flavour. I dislike his post in it's entirety, but I'm not reading too much into it for now. What he's said in his defence is true (link) Omni does indeed step in and defend him here, for a very similar post and mistake. Passing this off as a townie mistake for now. The thing is. Look at what has happened. There are two people voting for me atm. For what? For me trying to figure out stuff. I like to vote, my vote will always be on a person i find out to be scummiest at the moment. I presented my case for people to discuss it and i am sticking with it until it's proven i am wrong or we find someone who is more scummy. I understand this might be a townie mistake, i just don't think it is. And using "what someone else did in some other game" isn't really a defence that convinces me. If Raven actually starts scumhunting, contributing and making observations that make sense i'm willing to reconsider my vote. If he is in fact town the best defence is to start finding mafia. So far the only person that's really caught my attention is ray, for how aggressive he's being, the speed of which he's exchanged his focus and vote. These are all points that have been brought up by others, but it's the only truly suspicious thing happening atm. @ray what do you hope to achieve by switching focus at the drop of a pin with your agressiveness? two or three more posts like that and you're going after half the thread. Do you think this is an effective way to find mafia? why? Early on it's effective to question people as much as possible. We get discussion and everyone needs to participate. I am not "switching my focus", voting for someone you think is mafia tells that you actually think they are mafia and you are not just being wishy-washy. I never really thought JarJar was mafia. Note that i voted him earlier than he posted. My vote being on him had nothing to do with what he said later. I just didn't bother to change my vote because voting for someone also pressures them to do things. Which JarJar then did. It's that simple. ------ Another note. There is no point in going after lurkers now. They will post later, if they don't, we lynch them. Period. Note that TheRavensName also noticed this, but a part of his case against me is me "Why did he drop Jar to focus on me instead of calling out more people who were lurking". I don't even know what to say.. So i am being voted for being aggressive (does aggressive = scum?), for trying to promote discussion and getting the discussion started and for voting for a person i think is mafia (with a case that noone has proven to be wrong). I don't care to defend myself because it's so silly. And yes, Frorgron's post is another thing that bothers me at the moment. I even asked him about it and i am expecting an answer when he comes back. | ||
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On March 23 2013 00:52 Rainbows wrote: Well I had the giant ass case on scum and he basically said I was wrong, super defended himself, and that I was scum for it. Anyway, I'm a bit confused as to Ray's intentions in all of these shennanies. @Ray I don't think Raven is scum solely based on the evidence given. Talk to me. Do you really believe he is scum atm? What about guys with zero pressure on them such as Frogon and Virtu? So easy for scum to hide in a shitfest such as this. Hell, what dost thou thinkest of ME? Atm i do. He should stop defending himself and start trying to find mafia instead. That's the best defence. I explained Frorgon in my earlier post. I don't understand why virtu (and you guys) think being aggressive = scum. Other than that he is questioning people at the moment. That's enough for me atm. Btw why exactly are you voting for him? You seem to be doing stuff and trying to figure out things. Nothing in your actions makes me think you are mafia atm. | ||
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On March 23 2013 01:34 Fishgle wrote: Here's my thoughts. Rayn and Raven voted for someone on very little evidence, almost immediately. Kinda trigger-happy. Nobodywonder FOS'd JarJar because he's was trying to avoid saying anything. That makes sense. Do you somehow know that nobodywonder FOS'd JarJar "because he's was trying to avoid saying anything"? Because that was not the impression i got from his FoS. But anyway, Krafla hasn't posted yet and it's usually the silent ones that are the killers. FOS nobodywonder or Frorgon has done nearly as little as Krafla. Why single out just Krafla? @Rayn, getting mafia is important, but you should realize that you get no vote if you're dead. Stop giving people reasons to vote for you. you're being needlessly aggressive and desperately trying to throw any blame off himself. But maybe you're just a cop. How exactly i'm giving people reasons to vote for me? Again, being aggressive =/= mafia. And wtf is that cop comment? That goes for the rest of you, too. The people we should be interrogating are: Frogon, virtu, Krafla, and myself. Let's not give people a free pass. Why are you leaving nobodywonder out of this list? And why is virtu there? And what is the purpose of the list in the first place? Everyone should be interrogated, noone less than others. | ||
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Arctic Daishi agreed on a vote because "other people suspected Kafla and that made him suspicious" which does not make sense. virtu says that what i have done is the only thing he finds suspicious (and later on labeled it as a reaction test). Makes sense from what i can tell. You are right about the GF thing. It's odd and i don't see how it helps because it's just a speculation. | ||
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On March 23 2013 02:31 Fishgle wrote: yea you're right. seems like more of a joke post now that I read it again. you're right. my bad. replace krafla with "all the lurkers" but being aggressive doesn't mean you're not mafia either. You're drawing tons of attention to yourself and creating a scene. I understand that the whole point of mafia is to actively figure out who the scum are, but you're pushing everyone's buttons, which most people won't like. And it might make you a target. I about forgot nobodywonder. And yea, I agree. Everyone should be interrogated equally, that was my point, and why I wrote the list. Krafla, frogron, and nobodywonder haven't been questioned at all yet. And whoever else I may have missed. What did you actually say with your post? "nobodywonder made a joke (which i personally think was not a joke, i think he found out the same thing in JarJar's post i did). raynpelikoneet may or may not be mafia. People should ask questions from each other and try to figure out who is mafia." Seems like you are attempting to contribute without actually contributing. | ||
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On March 23 2013 01:34 Fishgle wrote: Here's my thoughts. Rayn and Raven voted for someone on very little evidence, almost immediately. Kinda trigger-happy. Nobodywonder FOS'd JarJar because he's was trying to avoid saying anything. That makes sense. But anyway, Krafla hasn't posted yet and it's usually the silent ones that are the killers. FOS @Rayn, getting mafia is important, but you should realize that you get no vote if you're dead. Stop giving people reasons to vote for you. you're being needlessly aggressive and desperately trying to throw any blame off himself. But maybe you're just a cop. That goes for the rest of you, too. The people we should be interrogating are: Frogon, virtu, Krafla, and myself. Let's not give people a free pass. | ||
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What do you think of Frorgon's case on virtu, and his post about JarJar after that? | ||
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On March 23 2013 06:08 nobodywonder wrote: I think of things, what do you think on these things too? Well case on virtu is valid, virtu if town has terrible play, honestly I kind of want to curse virtu's play. hasn't done stuff besides defending and saying crazy stuff @Virtu are you town? haha at this pt, at least do a good job of pretending to be town. I don't think the case is valid at all. Frorgon is saying virtu is suspicious because he called out my aggressive behaviour. virtu later said it was to look for reactions from me. It's completely another thing if Frorgon believes his explanation or not, but the case presented this way has no merit because it's based on false pretenses. I also fail to see how virtu is being "overly defensive". He just called out Rainbow's bad comparsion of behaviour, i wouldn't label that as "overly defensive". idk about the post about Jar Jar. seems somewhat like a soft defense of Raven, but honestly I can't read too much into it right now. need some more input from frogron, raven and jarjar I don't understand why Frorgon thinks Raven and JarJar are both scum given what Raven said. First of all, you can't base JarJar's alignment on what Raven says about him. It only gives us clues about Raven's alignment. It's not uncommon for mafia to soft/hard defend townies to make them look worse in case the mafia guy flips. Second of all, do not make connection cases pre-flip, that's just dumb. So in my eyes Frorgon looks worse. | ||
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Why are you ignoring the fact that i called Frorgon out right after he made his post about you and JarJar? You should really read the whole thread and not only the parts that fit into your cases / suspicions. | ||
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On March 23 2013 07:35 TheRavensName wrote: Is this what your refering to each other? This is hardly calling him out. Your disagreeing with his post and then just walking away from it, instead of asking him why does he think we are covering each other when Jarjar has called me suspicious. Isn't that exactly what i am asking there? | ||
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On March 23 2013 07:52 TheRavensName wrote: But there is no follow up by you for the purpose of trying to get an answer out of him would be my point. But that's not true at all. I can't make Frorgon post when i want him to. It was a simple question i assumed he would answer the next time he posts. Which he did. I didn't buy his answer as i explained a couple of posts ago. And i think he is scummy. I'm not giving anyone a free pass but it definitely does not help i confront Frorgon or anyone about the same things they have not been able to answer to yet. That kinda stuff will only shit up the thread and does not help at all. So I'm nervous about accusing Ray even though he just seems to be swapping around randomly and changing his mind every 5 seconds on who he is convinced is scum.. Are you intentionally trying to make me look bad? The bolded part is a straight out lie. I have already explained i wanted to hear more from JarJar regarding his comment and about my vote on him. I am not swapping targets at all. I think you have a good chance of being mafia for reasons i have stated before and for trying to make me look bad for reasons which don't hold water. I think Frorgon is suspicious for reasons i have stated a couple of posts ago. Another person of interest for me is Fishgle whose post i think was pretty bad. Krafla has yet to post anything. So what should i do? Do you think me asking questions from people is "swapping targets"? Should i just be dead set on someone, tunnel them and ignore everything other said in thread? That's what you think? | ||
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Now it seems like Raven and ray are not too concerned with virtu's disdain for actual scumhunting. I will add ray that you seem to be fine with virtu posting to look for reactions, but in my case it's unacceptable, even though when it was done earlier in the game with less to go on. I don't really see a connection between the two these days either. So you should at least be consistent with your thoughts on that matter. Here's what i find different in your / virtu's reaction test: virtu said he was looking for my reactions. He did get a reaction from me. After that he said he agreed with me and his question to me was a reaction test. If virtu was mafia, why would he say it was a reaction test in the first place when he doesn't have to? He could just explain he noticed the same thing about me other people did and he is okay with my explanation and understands me better. There is no reason for him to lie "oh, it was a reaction test" when he can easily get away from the argument without lying. Don't get me wrong, this in no way proves virtu is definitely town. I'm just inclined to think this is more likely to be townie behaviour than mafia. The thing about your reaction test i don't understand is this. If you do reaction tests, you should have some kinda purpose behind this. If you think people you are testing are mafia, you should already have some kind of a clue what you expect them to answer. I don't see what you were trying to achieve with your comment. What is it that you were trying to get out from JarJar & Raven? And why do that with a comment that doesn't make sense in the first place? | ||
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Do you have anything to comment on virtu's defence on his case? What are your thoughts on Frorgon and Fishgle? nobodywonder: Why do you think the case on virtu is valid? You asked my thoughts on it, i posted them and you didn't comment on it any more. What are your thoughts on Frorgon and Fishgle? Frorgon: You said this: I'd get a gist about Raven based on his response and I think I was fairly successful in that. Comparing it to the previous game I'd say as of now he leans town for me. Can you explain a bit better your town read on Raven? How exactly does his behaviour in last game compared to this one comes up as town? Also, what do you think of Fishgle? Raven: What do you think of Fishgle atm? | ||
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I'm still keeping my vote on Raven. He's voting me for trying to figure out stuff (lol), and for changing my mind every 5 seconds (lie). He's also adding more fuel on me by saying i didn't confront Frorgon (which i did) and when i explained that he said i lack the conclusion (lie). Other than that he has done very litte. His other suspect is Frorgon but he doesn't seem to want to figure out where Frorgon's head is at. He says Frorgon is suspicious but he doesn't want to investigate in that matter further. Every other thing he has commented is "JarJar made a suspicious post but i don't think he is that suspicious". His play makes no sense from town point of view. | ||
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virtu said his suspicion on me was a reaction test later on. Do you not believe him? | ||
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What's bothering me the most at the moment that the good activity level we had early on in the game has dropped to basically zero. virtu disappeared last night. Fishgle made a post about what we should do and then he went back to lurk mode after i called him out for his post. He isn't even following his own advice!! Krafla is MIA. nobodywonder disappeared when we had some good discussion on last night. JarJarDrinks posted his case on you and stopped doing anything after that. It's basically we four here discussing the same topics over and over again. Again, i would really recommend you to not make connection cases pre-flip. You can't know for sure what anyone will flip unless you are mafia. Townies can defend mafiosi, it's not uncommon at all, and vice versa. After someone flips you need to look for who accused/defended them and for what reasons. Being wrong in itself is not scummy. Being wrong for wrong reasons (or for reasons that do not make sense) however is (like i feel that's the case with Raven here). | ||
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The thing about your reaction test i don't understand is this. If you do reaction tests, you should have some kinda purpose behind this. If you think people you are testing are mafia, you should already have some kind of a clue what you expect them to answer. I don't see what you were trying to achieve with your comment. What is it that you were trying to get out from JarJar & Raven? And why do that with a comment that doesn't make sense in the first place? | ||
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On March 24 2013 05:29 Fishgle wrote: Rayn, can you clarify what you mean by "raven [could be wrong] for the wrong reasons"? To me, it seems like all he's done is defend himself, and that to me isn't scummy. Earlier i said this: I'm still keeping my vote on Raven. He's voting me for trying to figure out stuff (lol), and for changing my mind every 5 seconds (lie). He's also adding more fuel on me by saying i didn't confront Frorgon (which i did) and when i explained that he said i lack the conclusion (lie). Other than that he has done very litte. His other suspect is Frorgon but he doesn't seem to want to figure out where Frorgon's head is at. He says Frorgon is suspicious but he doesn't want to investigate in that matter further. Every other thing he has commented is "JarJar made a suspicious post but i don't think he is that suspicious". His play makes no sense from town point of view. If you can't find out where those things have happened, you are clearly not reading the thread. I'm not going to quote half of my & Raven's posts just because you are too lazy to read. But the most suspicious to me is still rayn. He's been such a flurry of fingers that no one is looking at him (apart from Raven, I guess). Every time he has gotten called out, he carefully points a finger in a different direction. So, I still have my eye on you, rayn. What do you mean by "pointing a finger in a different direction"? I'm trying to figure out who is mafia, something that you know, includes questioning people and telling what do you think of them and watching out how people react to different things. If you think that's suspicious then you do. I think that's what playing mafia is about. But anyway. ##Vote:Rainbows If i am the most suspicious person why are you voting for Rainbows instead? | ||
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On March 25 2013 00:33 TheRavensName wrote: Its generally ill advised to post till late in the night, so you can't give the mafia a new target. But if you do it at the last second they likely won't have time to change it and you can safely make whatever case you wish. This way you also make it impossible to analyze why mafia hit the person they did. Good job there... | ||
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I'd rather base my reads on two phases than one and i can't figure out why you think that is worse. You are either mafia or really really stupid. | ||
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And a selfvote is definitely not a town tell. Because everyone thinks it is! Look at the time, he confidently comes back 1,5 hours before the lynch when it's already reasonable to assume a lot of people won't be here. Look at the post in itself. He's already confident he won't get lynched. He says "he'll try and make it up tomorrow". Well guess what Krafla. It's tomorrow now. You better start posting. | ||
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Why did you wait until now to come up with this? | ||
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Barring some very rare situations, selfvoting is like playing against your victory condition, whatever alignmnet you are. Unless you want to take a risk that people won't actually lynch you because "you're sorry" or "i'll make this up later" or whatever bullshit. There is no reason why Krafla shouldn't have voted a person he thinks is mafia, whatever he bases his vote on (fuck, even randomly voting for someone is better than a selfvote). He can't possibly think he himself is mafia if he is town. There is no excuse to let him live for what he did. | ||
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That's what is the problem this game. People are afraid to vote for actually scummy actions and in general afraid to make decisions (we had two people not voting at all). There is no way we are going to find scum if everyone is afraid of giving their opinion about things. I get you about keeping your vote on Frorgon. But how can Krafla say anything more scummy than anyone if people are okay with him saying nothing in the first place? That's the scummiest thing there is. Not saying anything at all. | ||
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On March 25 2013 04:36 TheRavensName wrote: I really wish I could read more into his self vote. I would have thought Mfia would jump on it if hes townie but I guess if they knew we were getting a townie anyways... maybe they didn't wanna risk suspicion. There was no reason for mafia to jump on Krafla if he is town. Mafia does not want unnecessary attention. They would be getting a townie lynched anyways. Unless me and you are both mafia and feared someone might throw a third vote on you. Which is really stupid to start with. There was obviously no reason for mafia to jump on Krafla if he was mafia. I think this does not need better explanation? It tells nothing about other people. It only tells that Krafla was unwilling to take a stance on this D1 lynch. | ||
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Just tell us who do you think is mafia and why. | ||
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I feel a bit better about Krafla after his post. I still don't like Raven for the reasons i stated on D1. And for our exchange on N1. I don't like Fishgle. His only contribution to the game is this post: + Show Spoiler + On March 24 2013 05:29 Fishgle wrote: Rayn, can you clarify what you mean by "raven [could be wrong] for the wrong reasons"? To me, it seems like all he's done is defend himself, and that to me isn't scummy. yea, I haven't been following my own advice. Woops. as for virtu, I really don't think there's any reason to vote for him. He has some vapid posts and then some angry defensive ones. Again, defending yourself doesn't make you guilty. Rainbow is tunneling too hard on virtu, and basically refuses to look at other options. I find that really odd. Virtu made 1 defensive post, in which he got clearly angry. And somehow it's gotten 2 votes on virtu, by himself and Frogron, who I think is also suspicious. Furthermore, he has strange bouts of language. "what does though thinkest of me?" ""Ahh! Yes! This fine TLer right here, he is advocating pro-town things!" "IF THIS IS YOUR PHILOSOPHY ON PLAYING TOWN, PLEASE LEAVE SIR" etc. Either he's normally that theatric, or it bubbles up whenever he bullshits. I think it's the latter. But the most suspicious to me is still rayn. He's been such a flurry of fingers that no one is looking at him (apart from Raven, I guess). Every time he has gotten called out, he carefully points a finger in a different direction. So, I still have my eye on you, rayn. But anyway. ##Vote:Rainbows What does it say: - I am suspicious because i question many people (lol) - Rainbows is suspicious because he want's virtu lynched and "is tunneling him" First of all, this is a contradiction. If it's scummy to question many people, how is it scummy to focus just on one person then? What should it be then? Like two people? or three? What the hell? Also this: You can't get more than one scum lynched per day. Why try to make multiple cases? If one of them is town, scum agree on it and you can't call them out after lynch because you fucking made the case. The most hilarious part is that he thinks i am the scummiest guy but he votes for Rainbows. I really wish everyone would contribute more on D2 because noone is really giving me strong town vibe. JarJar i had as almost certainly town before, but i didn't like his N1 posts. I also need to reread virtu's posts and the cases against him from D1, because it seems like a lot of people are suspicious of him. Rainbows and nobodywonder fall on slightly town category, both of them made at least some sense and had actual opinions that seemed like coming from a townie. Rainbows also made the case on virtu and it made sense when he summed it up. I think that cases are more likely to come from townies than from mafia @ D1. If i die i would really like you to re read my case on Raven. Also do not let Fishgle get away with that kinda shit he posted. And make people contribute. I felt like D1 was really inactive for most of the people. N1 was even worse. | ||
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First, this post of his, which i based my case on him on D1: On March 22 2013 23:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: - Raven "agrees with me" that JarJar is hostile. I have never implied i think JarJar is being hostile. Raven is basically saying i think JarJar is hostile which is a pure lie. Because i don't think so. - Raven is saying "JarJar might be suspicious but might not be". What's the point of saying so? Someone is suspicious or not. Mafia tends to do that because they would already know they are accusing a townie and it's easier to retract from your accusation if you give yourself an out in the first place. - "Day 1 is a scary and uncertain period for those unsure how to get the ball rolling". Spreading fear. There is no point saying this kinda stuff if you are town. We need discussion and you are not promoting it here at all. You are doing the opposite. This is not townielike at all. Then he tries to make me look bad. Look at this exchange: On March 23 2013 07:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: TheRavensName: Why are you ignoring the fact that i called Frorgon out right after he made his post about you and JarJar? You should really read the whole thread and not only the parts that fit into your cases / suspicions. On March 23 2013 08:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: But that's not true at all. I can't make Frorgon post when i want him to. It was a simple question i assumed he would answer the next time he posts. Which he did. I didn't buy his answer as i explained a couple of posts ago. And i think he is scummy. I'm not giving anyone a free pass but it definitely does not help i confront Frorgon or anyone about the same things they have not been able to answer to yet. That kinda stuff will only shit up the thread and does not help at all. After this he just drops the issue without even saying if he thinks i'm wrong or if he agrees with me. The accusation in the first place is a lie as i have pointed out very clearly in the quotes. This masterpiece is from N1: On March 25 2013 01:01 TheRavensName wrote: Analyze what? It leads to WIFOM. You make a case against a townie and then they shoot you,that townie is now instant suspect number one. I'm just giving you the explinations I was given when I asked last time why no one was talking at night. Things to notice: - Raven does not give out his reads at the end of N1. Seems like he would already know he is not going to get night killed. - He is trying to stall the discussion. There is no reason why we should not scumhunt on night phases. I never said everyone should scream who is scum before the last hour, there are other things you can do. Like find out who is scum by you know, interacting with people.. --- Other than that, he has done very litte. The only person other than me he has called out (and tbh even talked about so that he reaches some kinda conclusion) is Frorgon. Who flipped green already. He has no real opinions on anyone other than me, and i have already proven them wrong. ##Vote: TheRavensName | ||
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On March 25 2013 22:49 Rainbows wrote: @Ray You've been really aggro with your reads. I want your opinion of me this game. Talk with me. The fishgle flip doesn't make either of us look particularly good. A wifom bomb by the mafia perhaps on myself, but I have no idea where it puts you. What do you think of me, my child? Or, at least, my stance on raven / NW / virtu? The hit on Fishgle means that either you are mafia or it's WIFOM or mafia is trying to make virtu look better or some combination of those. It's impossible to know at this point so i'd rather not get too much into that. I think your case on virtu was something to look into after you summed it up. I definitely didn't see virtu in that light before. Your case on NW now also makes sense. That's a pretty wishy-washy answer from him. I still want to know what has changed now that you find NW more suspicious than virtu? After all all this information was on the table @ the end of D1 and your vote was on virtu then. What has changed? I don't really know your stance on Raven because i think you have not clearly told it. I just re-read your filter and couldn't find any mention of Raven that says what do you actually think of him besides the comment where you partially agree with me on him. So could you clarify the question? | ||
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On March 26 2013 04:07 Rainbows wrote: TRN seems like an iffy lynch for today. I think there is scum between virtu and NW if not both. I think the cases on raven are biased... Saying he is scum because he lynched frogon is stupid, and especially coming from NW considering he could have prevented the lynch. Guy lets frogon get lynched. Guy blames other guy for lynching frorgon. Seems, you know, legit. What's biased about my case on Raven? @ nobodywonder: What do you think about the case on virtu? What do you think about JarJar's analysis on the night hit and his vote on you? Where do you think he is wrong and why? | ||
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On March 26 2013 06:47 Rainbows wrote: The fact that youve been after him most of the game. Its kind of stupid tbh. I think raven is the townier than a bunch of ppl here but i think your confirmation biased is clouding your judgments. Of course i have been after him, because he is lying about stuff and i have proven it! Why is everyone ignoring that? He's also trying to stall the discussion, in the beginning of the game, and on N1. He is mafia and i don't understand why everyone just ignores that. Look at his defence. He doesn't even defend himself against my accusation, because he can't do it. Because i'm right! He's just whining about me and JarJar going after him from the beginning. Wtf? Ofc i will go after obv-scum like this from the beginning. I don't even know what the instant majority whine is about because i don't understand a single bit of that part. | ||
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On March 23 2013 04:40 virtu wrote: Out playing snooker, back in few hours, will post a bit before bed. On March 25 2013 20:51 virtu wrote: I work in IT, got called in and I lost the entire of yesterday to a network crash which involved replacing main switches, had to make a temporary network out of old switches until the new ones arrived etc. I'm terribly tired today but I obviously have a lot of catching up and making up to do, especially since I also learned that whilst I've lurked and read a lot of Mafia on TL, I'm not terribly good at it myself. Will be reading for a while, I'm also at work for the next 5 hours but I'll try and get some thoughts down, then when I get home I should have time to formulate some thoughts into posts before I fall into an abyss of sleep. Also - I was roleblocked last night. At least my patience is soon gone. You have given now two promises to post your thoughts. I can understand if something urgent comes up and i i'm willing to buy your first explanation, but it's been 10 hours since you said you would be posting in 5 hours... | ||
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On March 26 2013 22:43 JarJarDrinks wrote: I'll reread but I definately felt like people were banging on the fishgle is bad drum even before the night phase. That's what i felt like too, but nobody really said so, so people who are not reading observantly may have missed it. | ||
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On March 26 2013 23:30 Krafla wrote: Current votes at the moment if I can count. virtu 1 - Krafla NW 3 - Rainbows, JarJar, TRN TRN 2 - ray, nw So we're still waiting on a vote from virtu? Your vote is useless at the moment. We can switch to virtu if he fails to put something decent up when he posts. At this point there is no reason to have your vote on him. | ||
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On March 27 2013 00:55 JarJarDrinks wrote: Time for what though? To explain himself better? Do these posts really seem like they're from someone that is gonna be able to be talked out of thinking Virtu is scum: I mean, yesterday we vote virtu to win the game. Today you're not gonna vote for him because it's unreasonable to do so without first giving him time to respond? Look JarJar. The thing is that there is no benefit of voting virtu now. If one of the other candidates is mafia and virtu is town the votes tell us much more about everyone. Because mafia needs to do something about where virtu is eventually gonna put his vote. If we vote for virtu now we ignore this information source. We can vote for virtu later if he fails to show up or does not do townie stuff when he appears. | ||
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On March 27 2013 04:24 Krafla wrote: Ooh I'm glad you said this! So you're definitely not a cop then. Excellent. Please explain your first post; I believe this is a scum slip right from the start. You throw down a fake blue breadcrumb, that you're a 1shot watcher, to give you something to come back to later in the game. But hang on a minute, this game doesn't have any 1-shot roles. Whoops, guess I can't carry on this charade, lets hope no one spots it. Okay, wtf is this? | ||
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I would be okay with lynching virtu as well. He's fucking useless. | ||
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On March 27 2013 06:52 TheRavensName wrote: I don't understand about nything else... how does that make me a one shot watcher as opposed to an actual watcher? It's stupid as hell but i don't see him doing that if he was mafia. Unless he is trying some incredible stunt noone will be able to see.. | ||
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On March 27 2013 06:58 TheRavensName wrote: Well before you go Ray, can I get an explination as to why you think I'm scummier then NW/ I haven't actually seen a comparison between the two yet or much of a comment on NW at all from you. People you think are town think I'm town, but no one has come out as saying NW is town... You even asked him a question he has yet to answer. You straight out lied about me questioning Frorgon. You could have done a lot more, i even told you that "the best way to defend yourself is to find us scum". You have not been interested in finding scum in the latter part of D1 and on D2. Whenever you question other people it's because someone has said something about you. It's fucking scummy. NW at least seems to be trying sometimes. | ||
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On March 27 2013 08:18 nobodywonder wrote: ^ That is if Virtu is going to modkilled at this pt. That guy should really post soon. So lemme just make sure. Mods, will Virtu be mod-killed if he doesn't post D2? Anyways, I say no nail because you are just twisting my words and reasons. So you lynch me cuz I'm a lurker. Nope, I've been active and trying to find scum. I have to say screw you. You have not been "active and finding scum". If raven is lynched and flips town who is mafia? | ||
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On March 27 2013 09:10 Rainbows wrote: BECAUSE NOBODYWONDER IS FUCKING SCUM YOU IDIOT!!!!! Raven is displaying way more townie qualities than this guy. Raven is emotional, but in townie way imo. He actually does things and fights cases against him. Raven looks like he gives a shit about this game. You said it yourself -- nobodywonder hasnt done fuck all but jerk it to geript and sheep a case on raven. Like holy hell if you think raven is scummier than this guy you're blind. Id rather lynch scum today, k? Seriously. Fuck you. Emotional, maybe yes. THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HIM LYING! OR NOT DOING SHIT? rly, are you his scumbuddy? | ||
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On March 27 2013 09:24 Rainbows wrote: Carelessness. Mistakes. You act like its something sinister. How often are scum REALLY caught in lies? WHEN THERE IS A FUCKING TONIE WHO KNOWS YOU ARE LYING! | ||
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JArJAr and Krafla: Why are you unable to see Raven is mafia? | ||
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On March 27 2013 10:31 TheRavensName wrote: By that logic if I had gotten lynched and flipped green, you'd be guilty then? No, because i'm town after all. And i don't think you're gonna flip town. | ||
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On March 27 2013 11:13 JarJarDrinks wrote: So me or ray get hit tonight obv. Maybe they go after Virtu instead but I think they leave him alone since he seems to have gone inactive. If there's a townie among Rainbows/Raven/Krafla then they surely aren't gonna go after him since the lynch is gonna come from this group. So in short: any roleblocker should choose from Rainbows/Raven/Krafla. Any Healer should choose from Me/Ray/Virtu. What makes you think any sane scum would hit virtu tonight if he is town? | ||
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I can't be much online today. I might make a post late tonight if i have enough time to reread all filters and actually think about stuff. I really didn't think Krafla would die, that threw me a bit off. | ||
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On March 28 2013 22:46 JarJarDrinks wrote: This statement only makes sense coming from someone that knows that Ray and I are both town. Yeah and that. | ||
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On March 28 2013 23:02 TheRavensName wrote: Please explain this without the double negative that is aggrivating my head. rofl sorry. With no reasoning. | ||
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On March 28 2013 13:51 TheRavensName wrote: I will post a case on Ray tomorrow, my head is hurting too much to read anymore right now. Plus I would like to see feedback first as well as any responses from him. I know that if him and Jarjar are scum its going to be impossible for me to live without Virtu coming back anyways. On March 28 2013 14:16 TheRavensName wrote: ##Vote:JarjarDinks Sleepy time now Point of this vote: Hope whoever checks this first votes for him and isn't one of the mafia. On March 28 2013 15:41 TheRavensName wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Rainbows Elaborate please. How is there reasoning and how are you not calling us all mafia? | ||
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virtu claimed being roleblocked on N1. That means either scum has a roleblocker or virtu is mafia lying and mafia infact has a GF. Town does not have a roleblocker since i am green. Rainbows claims a green check on Raven & virtu. This can't be true unless one of them is a GF. If one of them is a GF that would have to be virtu (because there is no way scum have 2 roles and town has 1). GF vs cop makes sense, but then there is the roleblock claim. So this is impossible. One of the claims has to be true and the other one has to be false. Rainbows is mafia with virtu/Raven, i don't know which one of them, but that's for tomorrow. Rainbows is trying to convince one of the townies to vote with him for scum victory. There is no way his checks can be true since i am green unless the mafia are JarJar and virtu and virtu did lie about being roleblocked on N1. I don't think mafia has played this kinda powerplay. ##Vote: Rainbows | ||
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On March 29 2013 22:18 virtu wrote: No I don't think it's possible both are true. Explain why it's impossible. | ||
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On March 29 2013 22:35 virtu wrote: Why does doctor vs roleblocker make sense? why doesn't cop + rb? For that to happen Rainbows/you/Raven had to be all town. I know i am town so that's impossible. | ||
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On March 29 2013 23:14 virtu wrote: I've already explained it - Because I don't think both of them are town. Really, that's all the effort you are willing to put into this? | ||
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On March 29 2013 23:17 TheRavensName wrote: Well Jarjar, your so certain Ray is town but... have you ever considered maybe both claims ARE true? What if Virtu rolled GF and Ray rolled Mafia Roll blocker? What are your thoughts on Ray being a lier? He lurked pretty hard after the cop claim till you started to doubt it. That's pretty damn bad assumption right there. There is no way mafia has both GF and roleblocker. And if that was true why the fuck would we not use our roleblock and have the GF instead claim being roleblocked? That's like the stupidest thing to do when you can actually prevent roles from acting instead. | ||
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You attempting to question me (by the way, all you've done all game is ask people questions, which at first glance looks quite useful, but a lot of what I'm reading looks like attempts to divert the conversation, distract etc), doesn't suddenly make Rainbows claim look fake and JarJar's real. It's distracting only if you don't make conclusions from your questions. I think i have been clear to offer my thoughts after people have answered me - i mean, i ask question, they answer, i make conclusions from the answers and point them out in thread. My reason behind the question is this. If you are town you can easily come up with any possible scum combos assuming Rainbows/JarJar are both telling the truth and have a reasonable answer (if you think it's possible or not). If you are mafia it's much harder because you do not want to out your scumbuddy and you want to lynch a townie this phase and other players might see the flaws in your logic. That's what i was after. Now it's irrelevant becauase you dodged the question already and threw the ball back at me by discrediting my playstyle. | ||
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On March 29 2013 23:50 TheRavensName wrote: Because your play style has worked out so well so far... Lets Tunnel Raven and let some myslynches happen while I push another myslynch cause I don't think you should scum hunt more then one person at a time! I can't lynch more than one scum in a day and you have been obv-scum from the beginning. There is no reason for me to vote for anyone else. And saying i have not been fighting against the other lynches is just bullshit. I have been very clearly trying to lynch you from D1 because you are scum, and besides that i have trying to figure out who is another person who is mafia. I found that out today. | ||
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On March 30 2013 11:07 WaveofShadow wrote: Dat fakeclaim. GG scum, y'all are lucky I wasn't in tharrrrr kk Sign up for Nomral LXI!! I wanna play with you guys againnnn Oh fuck that fakeclaim. It made my head hurt so fucking much! I literally took at least an hour to think how i have to respond to that without bussing Rainbows, came into a conclusion that it was impossible and was like... "NOOOOOOOOOO, WTF YOU JUST DID??"!?!?" | ||
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On March 30 2013 11:06 Frorgon wrote: Well after reading the QT it looks like Ray was pulling a lot more strings than I thought. Hard to tell who is MVP now, good job to both of you. But 20 games on another site! No chance for us noobs! haha That forum is really really inactive. It's like 50% of people posting once or twice per phase and others more. Last game (13 ppl) we had there was as much posts for the whole game than this game had on N1. | ||
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On March 30 2013 11:56 Rainbows wrote: So yeah, basically the game was really inactive, etc etc. Be more active etc etc. I would have played totally different but nobody wanted to post much sooooo.... yeah. I wonder how the game would have went if Raven got lynched instead of NW. The thing is what you can do based on players and how they think. If (as scum) other players allow you to do full 180's or 720's it doesn't matter. You just have to beat those players - not observers or people telling how "they could have figured out everything" after the game. It's always dependant of the playerbase, it doesn't even matter if you are town or scum. You need to push your agenda (convince people to do stuff you want them to do). That's what i think. | ||
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