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ThePeashooter
Profile Joined March 2013
United States100 Posts
March 21 2013 00:18 GMT
#1901
20 pages in 10 hours. Something tells me someone was onto something.
TestSubject893
Profile Joined September 2009
United States774 Posts
March 21 2013 00:19 GMT
#1902
On March 21 2013 09:03 DoYouHas wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On March 21 2013 08:54 TestSubject893 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2013 08:44 DoYouHas wrote:
On March 21 2013 07:59 TestSubject893 wrote:
I want to apologize for my inactivity. Since I was last active I was shortly in the hospital and had to unexpectedly drive my sister across the state. I've got some things to say after my 30-page-read-a-thon.



1. So like 30 bajillion people claimed. WoS did so in just about the scummiest way possible and if he is town needs to think a little bit before acting that way next time. It seems to me we have no choice but to believe him for now, but if a scum were going to fake claim to save themselves WoS's claim is about as good as it gets for scum.



2. VE was on the scum list for me before any of this stuff went down, but something about his interactions with "The Mirror" just doesn't add up. I think the most likely scenario if that he is some form of anti-town and we've caught him in a lie. No matter what's actually going on, I don't think we have much choice but to kill him today.

##Vote: VisceraEyes



3. I find the fact that my inactivity caused BH to be less suspicious of me a huge scum tell for him. All game long I was in his top 2 for scum and then all of the sudden the time comes that he has to justify his reasoning and I'm no longer there. Its clear that he chose his targets before he came up with his reasoning and this makes no sense as town. BH is scum. Town BH is too talented to peg someone as scum for disagreeing with them on a single point during day 1.

I'm sure BH will rebut this point by pointing out how he's listed me since then and tell us all about how my inactivity is scummy, but none of those are excuses for having me in his top 2 scum all of D1 without being able to back it up. If he were a sincere town player he'd have been able to make a case on me to back those feelings up from D1 alone, but he couldn't even muster a paragraph.


1. - WoS's claim is the scummiest claim possible. 2 sentences later, it is about as good as it gets for scum. Either we have two very different interpretations as to what those things mean, or you just said that WoS's claim is both very bad and very good, barely a breath apart. Not to mention the ridiculously begrudging language you are using to describe believing the claim. Strike 1.

Apparently my wording is unclear. "WoS's claim is the scummiest claim possible." and "as good as it gets for scum." both mean the same thing to me. WoS's claim was summy. I use begrudging language, because it reflects my begrudging acceptance.... I'm not sure any of this counts against me in any way....

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2. - VE was on the scum list? Go into that more please. What originally caught your eye about VE? Did you have an opinion on cosmic's case? Who else besides VE and BH are on this scumlist? Does it bother you that the person you are voting for was tunneling your most consistent scumread (BH) for the better part of a day?

You seem to agree with me about 'The Mirror' not adding up. Why would you state your 'most likely' scenario without even referring to the extended conversation VE and I just had about possible explanations. Again you use the phrase 'no choice' as if you want no part in the blame for the VE lynch if it happens. YOU THINK that the most likely scenario has VE as an anti-town role, YOU cast your vote. Justify it, explain your logic, lead us in your thinking. If you have a most likely scenario, that means you considered less likely scenarios. What were they? by what criteria did you dismiss them? Strike 2.


I talk about this a here:
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On March 18 2013 12:52 TestSubject893 wrote:
VE made himself look pretty bad and has moved himself to a solid scumread in my book with his comments about town not being able to vote to influence behavior. I refuse to believe he has such a fundamental misunderstanding of the game that he believes that to be true.


It took him 40 pages to respond to DP's repeated questioning about that post and his logic has been inconsistent throughout the game.

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3. - You have a huge scum tell on BH, this scum tell is that he hasn't been consistently referring to you in his top scum reads while you essentially haven't been playing the game. This is your only reasoning. This isn't a case, this doesn't convince anyone you are right that are not already thinking BH is scum. You want to take the firm stance on BH, but you don't want to do the work, that is scummy. Strike 3.


No, the post I reference happened during night one. I had not been inactive very long at that point. And even if I had, my point still stands. He had me as his top read day 1 and can't justify it.


Ok, so I am guilty of the lazy case making in this instance (which by extension I can't get butt hurt about Coag's comment). However, I very much would like you to answer my questions and explain yourself on each of your sections much more thoroughly. Show me just how wrong I am.

I can answer the questions, but I'm not sure what else you want. I feel that I already showed you were wrong, lol.



Did you have an opinion on cosmic's case?

I liked it. He makes some good points

Who else besides VE and BH are on this scumlist?

Zare and GK aren't looking great in my eyes. Geript was on there at one point but has moved back toward null since.

Does it bother you that the person you are voting for was tunneling your most consistent scumread (BH) for the better part of a day?

Yes, but there's some a possibility that they are both anti-town but on different factions, so its not the end of the world. I'll reevaluate as new information becomes available, no need to blindly speculate now.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
March 21 2013 00:19 GMT
#1903
On March 21 2013 09:15 Vivax wrote:
As pointed out with the Bureaucreacy slip in the qt, The Mirror is probably layabout. This also is displayed by his lack of involvement in the game and certain anti-town traits I noticed.

I am still confident zarepath, GK and cosmicomics are scum. However, as I see it as of now there are the 2 wildcards I mentioned earlier:
Given Trancestorm's latest entrance and a look at his filter I feel he is a good candidate for one of the spots, in the other spot I see fitting either Coag, WF or kita. Coag obviously the guy I'm least sure about.

Fairly confident in saying that scum is pushing the Wiggles wagon currently, and VE is grasping at the most likely lynch according to common opinions to save his own hide right now.

Nah, 'cause I want Wiggles dead too.
I could see the layabout thing being right, but it could also be an obvious frame attempt.
Kita is not scum imo.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
March 21 2013 00:21 GMT
#1904
Why are we letting Glurio come in and throw around useless votes, that he himself provided reasons for ineligibility?
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
March 21 2013 00:21 GMT
#1905
Well it was pin-drop silent when DYH and I were talking...after he unvoted me the last time the thread freaked out. :/
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22252 Posts
March 21 2013 00:27 GMT
#1906
I've read about Wiggles being somewhat of a legendary early (mis-)lynch around these parts. I'd rather have Coag lynched than someone who clearly shows he's trying to do something productive and doesn't seem to fit into his scum-meta, I linked to YANMM in an earlier post with Wiggles being scum, go read it first.
TranceStorm
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
1616 Posts
March 21 2013 00:28 GMT
#1907
@Vivax I looked through your cases on the 3 players you listed Zarepath, GK, and cosmi, and I don't see why they are stronger candidates than my #3 lynch target Wiggles?

Speaking of which where is Wiggles and why has he not responded to any of the events of the day?
TranceStorm
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
1616 Posts
March 21 2013 00:30 GMT
#1908
On March 21 2013 09:15 Vivax wrote:
As pointed out with the Bureaucreacy slip in the qt, The Mirror is probably layabout. This also is displayed by his lack of involvement in the game and certain anti-town traits I noticed.

I am still confident zarepath, GK and cosmicomics are scum. However, as I see it as of now there are the 2 wildcards I mentioned earlier:
Given Trancestorm's latest entrance and a look at his filter I feel he is a good candidate for one of the spots, in the other spot I see fitting either Coag, WF or kita. Coag obviously the guy I'm least sure about.

Fairly confident in saying that scum is pushing the Wiggles wagon currently, and VE is grasping at the most likely lynch according to common opinions to save his own hide right now.

I disagree with your assessment that scum is pushing the Wiggles wagon. Imagine that you are scum member, and the leading lynch target is a vet who is getting flak for apparently converting into a 3rd party. You don't need to push any wagon in that situation! Just spread your votes around in that situation and you'll come out smelling like roses as you weren't involved in any mislynch.
ThePeashooter
Profile Joined March 2013
United States100 Posts
March 21 2013 00:31 GMT
#1909
On March 20 2013 23:44 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2013 23:42 zarepath wrote:
Wait, so Wave, you can DT somebody and you learn their role and their alignment?

Apparently so? There is a circumstance where I think this may not be true since again, my PM says nothing about alignment, but my rolecheck result surprised me.

To elaborate on this, since it's probably relevant. He got my role as "Fool" and one fool has already flipped so that must of struck him as odd. I'm still on page 79 so I have a bit to catch up on.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
March 21 2013 00:32 GMT
#1910
On March 21 2013 09:07 WaveofShadow wrote:
Kita, fuck re-evaluating, I viewed you as town after your case last night. What are your thoughts on being wrong?


lol would you like an apology?

It's one of those things that solves itself. If I was wrong, then it will be evident if you end up dead tomorrow. If you're still alive then you're probably a mafia rolecop and I'll push for your lynch once again. I find it quite unlikely that the mafia team would be willing to leave you alive with a second check in hopes that you would be mislynched. There would be too high a risk for a red check and a 1:1 trade.

As for today's lynch, Wiggles needs to get in here and tell us who he is voting for. He obviously shouldn't still be voting you, based on the reasons I just mentioned. I want to hear who he wants to lynch. I'd be willing to vote for him if we have the votes.

Any response to my question VE?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22252 Posts
March 21 2013 00:34 GMT
#1911
And I dis-disagree cause delaying a 3p lynch and putting a town lynch in first is convenient for scum, just means town has to use another day to lynch something else than scum later.

Anyway thinking about it, it's somewhat unlikely that The Mirror can convert as many people as he pleases, that would be OP, so I feel unsure about this lynch.

Let's vig-lynch Coag instead, else we will never be able to read him anyway and you can't leave everything to vigs.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
March 21 2013 00:34 GMT
#1912
I also didn't like how Wiggles responded to my case about Wave. Rather than pushing the idea himself, he asked for my confirmation to elaborate for him.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
March 21 2013 00:40 GMT
#1913
On March 21 2013 09:31 ThePeashooter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2013 23:44 WaveofShadow wrote:
On March 20 2013 23:42 zarepath wrote:
Wait, so Wave, you can DT somebody and you learn their role and their alignment?

Apparently so? There is a circumstance where I think this may not be true since again, my PM says nothing about alignment, but my rolecheck result surprised me.

To elaborate on this, since it's probably relevant. He got my role as "Fool" and one fool has already flipped so that must of struck him as odd. I'm still on page 79 so I have a bit to catch up on.

Alright you confirmed, so that's good.
What struck me as odd was that I didn't think I was going to get alignment with the role, yeah.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
TranceStorm
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
1616 Posts
March 21 2013 00:40 GMT
#1914
Wiggles is my preferred candidate at the moment. Call it sheeping or whatever you'd like, but I strongly oppose the VE lynch and therefore defer to my next best lynch candidate Wiggles. The fact that he hasn't come back since the events is super-problematic for me.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 21 2013 00:41 GMT
#1915
Honestly right now I'm not seeing a point in switching off VE. It's not like this whole problem is going to go away over night. Really all we'd be doing is pushing shit off until later. More than anything else, I want to know if we can actually trust what VE's been saying. He had been bouncing all over and now is "stuck" pushing for wiggles lynch despite wanting to lynch BH. I don't know VE well at all, but the fact that he's been up and down all game but is so almost stolid once this comes out doesn't make me feel any better about him at all.

If I had to pick a second option, then I'd choose Zare. There's no change from D1 in my books.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22252 Posts
March 21 2013 00:41 GMT
#1916
It's so easy to find people scummy who contribute when there are guys playing so obviously anti-town or trolling or invisible that you don't want to lynch them.

"The vigs will settle it" is not a valid attitude. Imagine if you have a whole bunch of such guys but not a vig for each one of them, which will likely be the case in most games. It doesn't look like we have vigs anyway,so it's in our hands.

Let's teach this kind of people how to play the game plz

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VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
March 21 2013 00:42 GMT
#1917
I didn't see any questions. If you're referring to the part about me outting the Mirror to the thread, here's what went down: I accepted his "offer" and then PM'd DocH saying I was done masoning him. Like, in the same breath basically. The reason I accepted his offer was to see if I could get any response in the thread, and I did it at a time after he had returned to the QT to respond so I knew he was around the thread. I was banking on him seeing my message and saying something in the thread that would confirm him TO ME but not to the thread BEFORE DocH sent him a message regarding my masonry being over.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
March 21 2013 00:42 GMT
#1918
Lol kita your case was good, no apology necessary just frustrated at my own play for making it easy for that entire bandwagon you started.

So are you saying you'd rather go for Wriggle today than VE?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
March 21 2013 00:45 GMT
#1919
On March 21 2013 09:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
And where the fuck is TPS. I hate the fact that I found out he's town, I almost want to lynch him for his uselessness anyway.

GK, thought re: questions I asked kita?
Sciberbia what about you?
How in the FUCK is town supposed to win this game when nobody DOES anything.



For now I'm staying on Wiggles. My vote will probably stay there unless Wiggles comes back and makes a convincing argument against what I had to say.


As for Viscera, I really don't know what to make of his mason log. It really doesn't seem to be a sensible move as scum to bring so much attention to himself like that. He could EASILY have edited out the part about accepting. He either was confident as scum that he wouldn't be a part of the group because it's a fabrication he made up, or maybe as town he really didn't have the oversight to think about it and just impulse posted it. There's a point against the latter possibility given he TOOK THE TIME TO EDIT OUT TIMESTAMPS. This guy's infamous for making fakeclaims as scum. But the piece of the puzzle that doesn't make sense to me is how this guy could possibly benefit from making all this shit up. He wasn't exactly under much pressure earlier in the day. So I really don't see any scum motive for popping in that mason log in the manner that he did. It could shit up the thread I guess, but the timing was absolutely terrible if he were scum. I would fully expect he'd play better than that. So I would say he's more likely town based off of that.

The rest of his play, however, has not given me the feeling that he's town. I mean he jumps his vote at times with little justification. Day one, he lurked the shit out of thread WHEN WE NEEDED TO CONSOLIDATE VOTES. This is profoundly anti-town. Yet I ask myself would a scum Viscera really be so careless in becoming the center of attention. No doubt, everything he's done recently is confusing. But I don't see how the mason log in particular is scum-motivated, which is why I don't want to lynch him today. Because even if he is town turned into third party (which several people here believe), I'd much rather lynch mafia.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
March 21 2013 00:46 GMT
#1920
Vivax, you aren't going to get support for a Coag lynch right now. Let a vigi handle it or leave it for tomorrow. We need to solve 1 problem at a time, not derail wagons.
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