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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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geript
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geript
10024 Posts
On March 21 2013 10:14 VisceraEyes wrote: It's not a stunt Vivax what the FUCK?! I'm JUST TRYING TO PLAY TRANSPARENTLY AND I GET SHIT ON FOR IT THIS IS FUCKING DUMB It's hard to get people to listen when you've cried wolf multiple times before. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
why are you letting glurio throw away a useless vote.. where he even provides a defense for the points he raised? so many things happeend this cycle.. and he fuckn throws it on me.. who was never under any serious consideration? like wtf...thats completely different justification to vivax chasing coag. | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
We should kill wiggles tonight, since i expect a lot more from him when he rolls town. Vivax there is not way i could write like "The mirror" does in that qt you seem to be mad at me because i called what you were doing and saying dumb. But it was and you need to come to terms with this. This game the effort you have put in has been orders of magnitude better than you did in the last two games and there is next to no chance that you are scum. maybe read this (post 228): http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/rXAf5L6B4Z4e6 Whilst i no longer think zarepath is scum your analysis of him was good. Do more of that. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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geript
10024 Posts
On March 21 2013 10:25 VisceraEyes wrote: If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine. You don't know the power of the DARK SIDE! | ||
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geript
10024 Posts
Your powers are weak old man! I am very disappoint in not being able to quote it exactly | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
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TranceStorm
1616 Posts
On March 21 2013 10:15 Vivax wrote: + Show Spoiler + On March 21 2013 10:11 TranceStorm wrote: Let's think of the game from a scum perspective. Scum want to remain 'under the radar' throughout the game. Therefore, you're presumption is incorrect because even though "others will find it easier to agree with their cases and hence see them positively" on the day of the lynch, being on the mislynch train is incredibly suspicious the following day. Hence, one approach that a mafia player could take is to make lots of cases against a couple of relatively scummy players who don't have much pressure on them and to avoid getting involved in lynches entirely by parking their votes on people who definitely won't get lynched. I'm reasonably certain that you are following this approach. No, being on the mislynch wagon with a load of other townies is no risk for them. Each of the townies on the wagon can't accuse them of that without accusing themselves, and outside townies can't accuse them without accusing other townies, it's the perfect example of blending in. You can be accused of your reasons to switch to it/join it, but not of pushing it or being on it. Sure, that is one approach for blending in. Behaving in the way that I have outlined is also another approach for blending in as well. In the one game I have played where I was mafia (a long time ago), everyone spread their votes between candidates. That is to say, scum won't all behave in the way that you have outlined. My argument is that you have behaved in the way that I have outlined and are worthy of a vote in the next day cycle. Anyways, I'll have to do a bit of work, but I'll be back in roughly 2 hours. | ||
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Vivax
22168 Posts
On March 21 2013 10:25 layabout wrote: The correct play is to lynch VE, we cannot trust that we can vig him and he posted logs of him joining a 3rd party. We should kill wiggles tonight, since i expect a lot more from him when he rolls town. Vivax there is not way i could write like "The mirror" does in that qt you seem to be mad at me because i called what you were doing and saying dumb. But it was and you need to come to terms with this. This game the effort you have put in has been orders of magnitude better than you did in the last two games and there is next to no chance that you are scum. maybe read this (post 228): http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/rXAf5L6B4Z4e6 Whilst i no longer think zarepath is scum your analysis of him was good. Do more of that. The thing is not just that, it's also that I feel you don't really have interest in pushing cases yourself or figure things out, but talk about a lot of other stuff, for which I could see you fit into 3rd party. Will not really go into detail about the things that give me that feeling since I have bigger fish to fry and you are low priority, if indeed (supposedly) KP-less third party. Then on the other hand you also looked a little like that in LX, but less I'd say. You seemed more eager to push your reads. If you're town I'd like you to help amplificate the message of cases you find good, or try to do so with your own, know what I mean? | ||
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DoYouHas
United States1140 Posts
The reason everyone starting jumping on VE is because he left his acceptance line in the logs, right? That means that everyone who initially jumped on VE is accepting that the 3rd party recruiting mechanic is based off getting players to choose an option that is against their current faction's win condition. I can't be the only one that finds that ridiculous in general and not at all likely for a 'normal' game? In fact, can anyone give me a 3rd party recruitment mechanic that doesn't involve standard press-ganging of people from their current faction that actually makes sense in the context of what was in those logs and isn't ridiculous to the point of not possibly being in a 'normal' game? And if the recruitment mechanic is in some way a press-gang mechanic, how is that supported at all by the log or the context? But what if VE was recruited from the start and they faked the logs? Not possible, if VE was recruited from the start we never would have gotten the initial post where he says he has been contacted by The Mirror. There are only 2 explanations that actually work with the given information. 1. VE is scum and fabricated the whole thing. I don't think this is true because it would be a high effort, high risk, low reward move. He had just claimed Vet, adding this on top doesn't make sense. 2. The Mirror is a mafia mason, and used that power to spread misinformation. It explains why the recruitment mechanics don't add up. It explains why VE was chosen, he had just outed the first person who masoned him. It explains why The Mirror didn't seem to care after VE outed him. I still have my couple points that don't add up pre-3p that pointed to VE being scummy, but if I am right about the 3p situation, and I think I am, it trumps all of my earlier suspicions. VE is town. I'm moving my vote to Wiggles, who seems to be the only other viable option. Unvote: TestSubject893 Vote: Mr. Wiggles | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On March 21 2013 10:40 layabout wrote: In LX i was more sure of my reads since people were posting too much, this game is a messy headache in a bag being beaten with a stick. I agree.. LX mighta been spammy.. but there was leadership This game doesnt have any leadership (yet) | ||
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geript
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Vivax
22168 Posts
I don't think Wiggles is scum. I have doubts VE could be third party and if he is he comes after scum. We should kill Coag, he's a big fat ? who doesn't contribute anything useful on purpose, if he is town we will never know, and if he is scum we won't either. So let's get rid of that dude. Enough of this "Leave it to the vigs policy", teach people how to play the game if they don't want their arse kicked by townies that don't want that type of player around. Do you want Coag around? | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
+ Show Spoiler [Glurio Mocsta context] + On March 21 2013 08:14 glurio wrote: What can i say i'm legit busy right now. I'm moving, and work in my new appartment 12h a day. After that i'm really tired so all i can do is read everything and vote accordingly. Yesterday i took the time to write a case on someone looking very scummy, no one even commented on it so i suspected no one read it. That pissed me off a bit and instead of pushing my case further i went to bed. Tomorrow the work in the new appartment should be finished so by D3 i should have much more time to spend on the game. Right now i find mocsta to be scummy. Mostly out of meta reasons though. He really doesn't seem like the kind of guy who wouldn't have finished reading the thread after replacing in. He usually is one of the most active and loud posters in the games, but here he didn't even bother to read everything so far? In most games it seems he's one of the players who spend the most time in the game, reading filters, posting stuff etc. But then again he said he is really busy with his life which i suppose can be true. I haven't made up my mind in the whole VE 3rd party situation. But before all that came up i didn't really want to lynch VE or WF tonight. Two claimed blues after all. On March 21 2013 08:56 glurio wrote: Ok i'll go with my gut feel and vote for Mocsta. I thought about the VE 3rd party situation and i can't convince myself he's scum. In my eyes most likely "the Mirror" is a scum mason and his line (3rd party join my cult and i'll get stronger) is just some well thought out scam to confuse town. No clue why he accepted the claim, that is the part that does not make sense, His vet claim seems legit, since (setup speculation) scum has most likely 2 KP with this many players and no one else claimed getting hit. (or saved, or jailed, or blocked) Since lynch time is really terrible for europeans (4 AM i think), i'll vote for mocsta and go to sleep. ##Vote: Mocsta On March 21 2013 08:59 Mocsta wrote: Go on. lets hear some legitimate reasons for my vote Glurio All your points raised before, you already excused as I was busy. So enlighten me. On March 21 2013 09:21 Mocsta wrote: Why are we letting Glurio come in and throw around useless votes, that he himself provided reasons for ineligibility? On March 21 2013 10:25 Mocsta wrote: motherfuckers.. i asked two or three times now. why are you letting glurio throw away a useless vote.. where he even provides a defense for the points he raised? so many things happeend this cycle.. and he fuckn throws it on me.. who was never under any serious consideration? like wtf...thats completely different justification to vivax chasing coag. | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
If you leave VE alive because of _________insert bullcrap here________add some nonsense__________ lynch wiggles. | ||
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
I think the Mirror is probably a third party. Did you read the OP? On March 09 2013 07:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote: It is possible that your win condition will change at some point during the game. If this event would infuriate you, do not sign up. Measures have been taken to make sure that if this happens, your play should not have to change very much. Try to see it as a new challenge. It would be in your best interest to PM me questions whenever you have them, no matter how trivial they may seem. Anyway, I too think that VE is a bad lynch today. See my next post. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
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