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Jesus Christ this is messy
on WoS
His blueclaim does not affect my opinion on his alignment. I still think he is pretty likely to be scum, but I am willing to wait to see if he is still alive tomorrow, which I think he will be.
on TPS
He doesn't seem to be a lynch candidate anymore.
So the lynch is in 6 hours and we need to lynch someone
Current popular candidates seem to be VE, BH, and Wiggles.
on VE
I don't think lynching VE is a good idea. Let's look at the most important facts here. He is a claimed vet who supposedly took a hit last night, and we only have 1 shot accounted for by Keirathi's death, when the prevailing opinion is that scum have 2KP. Furthermore, he outed the Mirror to the thread, which seems like a very silly move if he is scum. So was VE a veteran? Yes it seems likely.
Now, if VE was attempting to get converted, clearly he would not have posted the logs in the thread. VE isn't mentally retarded and I don't see why he would try to lose the game. Even if VE is scum, posting those logs is a terrible strategy IMO. Just because VE said the words "I accept" clearly doesn't mean he was actually converted. I expect he would have to PM the host or something.
So the logical conclusion is that VE did not think he would be joining the Mirror. So it seems silly to speculate "well... maybe he will be forced to join the Mirror". Furthermore, we don't even know for a fact that the Mirror is a threat to us. In fact, judging from the chat logs where the Mirror says VE should just play "townie" and that will hardly conflict with the mirror's objective, I think there's a good chance that the Mirror is not a huge threat to us. So lynching VE for the purpose of trying to damage some 3rd party seems silly to me.
In conclusion, lynching VE does not make a lot of sense to me. I think he is most likely a veteran, and that he may or may not be in the process of getting recruited to some third party which may or may not be a threat to us.
on BH
BH seems more likely to be mafia than VE. Nevertheless, he is a claimed blue and I'm not particularly keen on lynching him today.
In conclusion, asdfjerp. Part of me wants to lynch WoS because I think he gives us the best shot of hitting scum today. I think cosmicomics is decently likely to be scum. I suppose I could tolerate a Wiggles lynch, although I don't think he has the greatest chance of flipping scum.
Can somebody explain to me why there are so many votes on VE? Do you guys all think he is scum or third party or are you just voting him to resolve this mess?
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On March 21 2013 10:43 geript wrote:
DYH you really need to listen to the podcast.
What part? the part about how DrH want to find a way to make recruitment roles a thing again?
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Can somebody explain to me why there are so many votes on VE? Do you guys all think he is scum or third party or are you just voting him to resolve this mess?
Cause scum wants him dead simple.
And they want Wiggles dead, too.
In case of emergency, break the Coag.
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If I am wrong and The Mirror is a 3rd party recruitment role that requires people to go against their wincon in order to be recruited, then my problem is with DrH, because that just sounds absurd to me.
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What does everyone think about a coag lynch?
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Remember that I had no idea that it was a third party masoning until I was informed as much in the QT BY the Mirror.
It seems like a recruiting 3rd Party would just play off the masoning and recruit me in the night-phase like a dickhole instead of claim it to me. I think my meta is being used against me here.
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I have a town read on Coag. For what it's worth.
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Well if you could enlighten me on it I'm all ears cause if I see reason to push another lynch then I will.
You know my 3 fixed scumreads, it'd be them.
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On March 21 2013 10:53 DarthPunk wrote:
What does everyone think about a coag lynch?
Im not against it.
when he said he had a town read on WoS yesterdya, i queried him, because I wasnt sure if founded upon knowledge not known to town... or a good read.
IIRC he coudltn substantiate the read.
I can support the vote.
With VE.. i was against voting him for the 3P as of last night.. i still cant get past that he would do something like this that has basically polarised and derailed the thread for a good 10hrs now.. thats essentially worthy of a policy lynch in my opinion.
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On March 21 2013 10:52 DoYouHas wrote:
If I am wrong and The Mirror is a 3rd party recruitment role that requires people to go against their wincon in order to be recruited, then my problem is with DrH, because that just sounds absurd to me.
I agree there is something 'off' with that game mechanic. I am no expert on Dr H or game creation and I have not listened to this podcast, but it doesn't seem outside the realm of possibilities. Dr H did say there were 1 or 2 things out of the ordinary.
Couple other things to note.
1. The Mirror seemed to imply that VE was already converted and that the hosts were just late in notifying. Maybe it is a press-ganged type of thing idk.
2. Nobody else seems to have noticed this but it looks significant to me
On March 21 2013 01:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
If you are town, you have quite the powerful role. But dare I muse, it cannot be without limit? To you I offer an impregnable shield, one who will not falter during the night. Hide behind he and you can gain for yourself immortality.
If you are scum, then you will play the part of the double agent. Use your former teammates at your disposal. Manipulate the scum team to your own devices? To be numbered among the greats such as Keyser Söze, Mr. Orange, William "Billy" Costigan, Jr. or Staff Sgt. Colin Sullivan. Perhaps, to live out the dream that could have been Bureaucracy?
Of course if you are neither, you already know my purposes, and that you are but a step behind. Pressure me, threaten me, do as you wish, for I know it is all but a meaningless bluff.
What is this neither town nor scum nor mirror-aligned role that the mirror refers to?
I remember from some casual real-time games I played on some website there was a town-aligned role that was able to combat third-party cultists and prevent people from getting converted. Maybe we have one of those who would be capable of saving VE?
This isn't really relevant to the lynch discussion but seems important.
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EBWOP
just realized that this mystery role cannot be town-aligned based on what the mirror says. Is there like a 4th party as well?
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On March 21 2013 10:59 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 10:53 DarthPunk wrote:
What does everyone think about a coag lynch? Im not against it. when he said he had a town read on WoS yesterdya, i queried him, because I wasnt sure if founded upon knowledge not known to town... or a good read. IIRC he coudltn substantiate the read. I can support the vote. With VE.. i was against voting him for the 3P as of last night.. i still cant get past that he would do something like this that has basically polarised and derailed the thread for a good 10hrs now.. thats essentially worthy of a policy lynch in my opinion.
Yeah this is basically what a coag lynch would boil down to. A town read for no real reason directly opposed to a very strong case.
Ugh I don't know. This game is hard.
VE how would you feel about a Goodkarma lynch?
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I'm almost caught up now but goddamn is this town retarded?
Why the fuck are we allowing all these lurkers who haven't done shit just pop up and try to point the goddamn thread in whatever direction they please?
If you guys are town you should be fucking ashamed of yourselves for being WORSE than useless; you're trying to fucking hinder our progress with your shitty, half-assed cases.
As far as I can tell we need to consolidate right now. It doesn't look as though Wiggles is going to bother coming back, so are we voting SCUM, or POSSIBLE 3RD PARTY??
I believe VE is ahead in the votes right now so if people want Wiggles lynched, better make your cases soon.
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WoS.. im still catching up on the thread, so am unfamiliar with why wiggles could be scum..
can you please provide some links to posts, i will prioritise reading them now. (im not even sure who has built cases on him, other than I think you?)
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Well maybe it's better to do like Ace said and simply let this wagon go through at this point. I have to go to bed now and can't stay around pushing a counterwagon for longer, so I'll enforce this one just to make sure that there arises no counterwagon I can't speak up against while I'm away.
Unvote
Vote: VisceraEyes
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And scib did you not read the thread?
You REALLY think my claim is fake? K.
Mocsta, shut up about glurio, he's useless and yes he's scummy we can lynch him after we figure out the rest of this clusterfuck we call a game.
Are we seriously talking about lynching Coag now too? Good lord.
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WoS can you tell me what your read of Coag and GK is please?
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Scib I'm voting VE for three reasons:
1. I don't trust him
2. I think he's 3P
3. I don't think we can get a good coherent alternate lynch
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On March 21 2013 11:08 WaveofShadow wrote:
And scib did you not read the thread?
You REALLY think my claim is fake? K.
Mocsta, shut up about glurio, he's useless and yes he's scummy we can lynch him after we figure out the rest of this clusterfuck we call a game.
Are we seriously talking about lynching Coag now too? Good lord.
I have read every page of the thread at least once, and I do in fact have major doubts about your claim, as I just said. Maybe I'm wrong though. We'll see D3 I guess.
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