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Wade Fell
Profile Joined February 2013
United States501 Posts
March 20 2013 23:25 GMT
#1861
On March 21 2013 08:24 TestSubject893 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2013 08:21 Wade Fell wrote:
On March 21 2013 08:20 TestSubject893 wrote:
On March 21 2013 08:10 Wade Fell wrote:
On March 21 2013 08:07 TestSubject893 wrote:
On March 21 2013 08:04 Wade Fell wrote:
I made like 900 cases against you D1, testsubject, and shut you down at every point. The fact of the matter is I can't slap down your crap if you're not posting.


I disagree. I'm not going to get into another fight with you over this. You've made it clear you can't have discussions with newer players without spamming.


That's not gonna stop me from defending myself against your poorly-veiled omgus.

Here are posts in which I say or explain your scumminess: (link)(link)(awesome link)(link)(link)(link)

then you stopped posting so I couldn't shoot you down more.


The last two of those you don't mention me other than just saying I'm scum. Only the "awesome link" contains any real reasoning and the others are just hyperbole. You're effectively just agreeing with me. I'm saying all you had very little argument against me and you come back with, "No, no, look, once I said 'not active enough' and these other times, I called you scum". You're telling me the self-proclaimed best scum hunter on TL bases his top scum read day one solely on "hasn't made any cases"? Please.


1) you're scum
2) i'm not the best scum hunter on tl, but I have like top 3 control
3) just because you, a scum player, find my arguments unconvincing doesn't mean they don't exist.
4) you'rescum


Oh, Oh, I can spam too, let me try.

BH, stop being so helpful.

Stop.

Stop.

Stop.

Stop.

Stop.

BH, please stop.

BH

BH

BH

BH

BeeAych Stahp

No, wait the opposite.


I get it, it's sarcasm because I'm super helpful and awesome and you've made like 3 posts all game
Politics is the Mind-Killer
TestSubject893
Profile Joined September 2009
United States774 Posts
March 20 2013 23:25 GMT
#1862
On March 21 2013 08:21 Wade Fell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2013 08:20 TestSubject893 wrote:
On March 21 2013 08:10 Wade Fell wrote:
On March 21 2013 08:07 TestSubject893 wrote:
On March 21 2013 08:04 Wade Fell wrote:
I made like 900 cases against you D1, testsubject, and shut you down at every point. The fact of the matter is I can't slap down your crap if you're not posting.


I disagree. I'm not going to get into another fight with you over this. You've made it clear you can't have discussions with newer players without spamming.


That's not gonna stop me from defending myself against your poorly-veiled omgus.

Here are posts in which I say or explain your scumminess: (link)(link)(awesome link)(link)(link)(link)

then you stopped posting so I couldn't shoot you down more.


The last two of those you don't mention me other than just saying I'm scum. Only the "awesome link" contains any real reasoning and the others are just hyperbole. You're effectively just agreeing with me. I'm saying all you had very little argument against me and you come back with, "No, no, look, once I said 'not active enough' and these other times, I called you scum". You're telling me the self-proclaimed best scum hunter on TL bases his top scum read day one solely on "hasn't made any cases"? Please.


1) you're scum
2) i'm not the best scum hunter on tl, but I have like top 3 control
3) just because you, a scum player, find my arguments unconvincing doesn't mean they don't exist.
4) you'rescum


Seriously though, your arguments were non-existent. Anyone who takes the time to look at those links will see that.
Wade Fell
Profile Joined February 2013
United States501 Posts
March 20 2013 23:26 GMT
#1863
On March 21 2013 08:25 TestSubject893 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2013 08:21 Wade Fell wrote:
On March 21 2013 08:20 TestSubject893 wrote:
On March 21 2013 08:10 Wade Fell wrote:
On March 21 2013 08:07 TestSubject893 wrote:
On March 21 2013 08:04 Wade Fell wrote:
I made like 900 cases against you D1, testsubject, and shut you down at every point. The fact of the matter is I can't slap down your crap if you're not posting.


I disagree. I'm not going to get into another fight with you over this. You've made it clear you can't have discussions with newer players without spamming.


That's not gonna stop me from defending myself against your poorly-veiled omgus.

Here are posts in which I say or explain your scumminess: (link)(link)(awesome link)(link)(link)(link)

then you stopped posting so I couldn't shoot you down more.


The last two of those you don't mention me other than just saying I'm scum. Only the "awesome link" contains any real reasoning and the others are just hyperbole. You're effectively just agreeing with me. I'm saying all you had very little argument against me and you come back with, "No, no, look, once I said 'not active enough' and these other times, I called you scum". You're telling me the self-proclaimed best scum hunter on TL bases his top scum read day one solely on "hasn't made any cases"? Please.


1) you're scum
2) i'm not the best scum hunter on tl, but I have like top 3 control
3) just because you, a scum player, find my arguments unconvincing doesn't mean they don't exist.
4) you'rescum


Seriously though, your arguments were non-existent. Anyone who takes the time to look at those links will see that.


almost as non-existent as your thread presence and "usefulness" during all of D1. You opted out of the town discourse! You didn't even push cases or votes (and you're only questionably doing that now), you talked about the "town atmosphere" and basically lollygagged. Anyone who reads your filter will say "wow bh is so sexy, so amazing, why haven't we lynched testsubj yet"
Politics is the Mind-Killer
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
March 20 2013 23:29 GMT
#1864
I wouldnt mind a TestSubject893 Lynch. hes pretty fucking useless.


Whats the verdict on those time stamps from VE? Are they tampered with or is it just TLs fucked up time system?
TestSubject893
Profile Joined September 2009
United States774 Posts
March 20 2013 23:29 GMT
#1865
On March 21 2013 08:26 Wade Fell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2013 08:25 TestSubject893 wrote:
On March 21 2013 08:21 Wade Fell wrote:
On March 21 2013 08:20 TestSubject893 wrote:
On March 21 2013 08:10 Wade Fell wrote:
On March 21 2013 08:07 TestSubject893 wrote:
On March 21 2013 08:04 Wade Fell wrote:
I made like 900 cases against you D1, testsubject, and shut you down at every point. The fact of the matter is I can't slap down your crap if you're not posting.


I disagree. I'm not going to get into another fight with you over this. You've made it clear you can't have discussions with newer players without spamming.


That's not gonna stop me from defending myself against your poorly-veiled omgus.

Here are posts in which I say or explain your scumminess: (link)(link)(awesome link)(link)(link)(link)

then you stopped posting so I couldn't shoot you down more.


The last two of those you don't mention me other than just saying I'm scum. Only the "awesome link" contains any real reasoning and the others are just hyperbole. You're effectively just agreeing with me. I'm saying all you had very little argument against me and you come back with, "No, no, look, once I said 'not active enough' and these other times, I called you scum". You're telling me the self-proclaimed best scum hunter on TL bases his top scum read day one solely on "hasn't made any cases"? Please.


1) you're scum
2) i'm not the best scum hunter on tl, but I have like top 3 control
3) just because you, a scum player, find my arguments unconvincing doesn't mean they don't exist.
4) you'rescum


Seriously though, your arguments were non-existent. Anyone who takes the time to look at those links will see that.


almost as non-existent as your thread presence and "usefulness" during all of D1. You opted out of the town discourse! You didn't even push cases or votes (and you're only questionably doing that now), you talked about the "town atmosphere" and basically lollygagged. Anyone who reads your filter will say "wow bh is so sexy, so amazing, why haven't we lynched testsubj yet"


Its almost like had more time unable to play this game than able to play it since it started.



Why can't you just have a level-headed discussion with people? Are you that full of yourself that you have to insult every newbie you interact with?
TestSubject893
Profile Joined September 2009
United States774 Posts
March 20 2013 23:30 GMT
#1866
On March 21 2013 08:29 Coagulation wrote:
I wouldnt mind a TestSubject893 Lynch. hes pretty fucking useless.


Whats the verdict on those time stamps from VE? Are they tampered with or is it just TLs fucked up time system?


If you want to lynch people for being in the fucking hospital go right ahead.
Wade Fell
Profile Joined February 2013
United States501 Posts
March 20 2013 23:32 GMT
#1867
On March 21 2013 08:29 TestSubject893 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2013 08:26 Wade Fell wrote:
On March 21 2013 08:25 TestSubject893 wrote:
On March 21 2013 08:21 Wade Fell wrote:
On March 21 2013 08:20 TestSubject893 wrote:
On March 21 2013 08:10 Wade Fell wrote:
On March 21 2013 08:07 TestSubject893 wrote:
On March 21 2013 08:04 Wade Fell wrote:
I made like 900 cases against you D1, testsubject, and shut you down at every point. The fact of the matter is I can't slap down your crap if you're not posting.


I disagree. I'm not going to get into another fight with you over this. You've made it clear you can't have discussions with newer players without spamming.


That's not gonna stop me from defending myself against your poorly-veiled omgus.

Here are posts in which I say or explain your scumminess: (link)(link)(awesome link)(link)(link)(link)

then you stopped posting so I couldn't shoot you down more.


The last two of those you don't mention me other than just saying I'm scum. Only the "awesome link" contains any real reasoning and the others are just hyperbole. You're effectively just agreeing with me. I'm saying all you had very little argument against me and you come back with, "No, no, look, once I said 'not active enough' and these other times, I called you scum". You're telling me the self-proclaimed best scum hunter on TL bases his top scum read day one solely on "hasn't made any cases"? Please.


1) you're scum
2) i'm not the best scum hunter on tl, but I have like top 3 control
3) just because you, a scum player, find my arguments unconvincing doesn't mean they don't exist.
4) you'rescum


Seriously though, your arguments were non-existent. Anyone who takes the time to look at those links will see that.


almost as non-existent as your thread presence and "usefulness" during all of D1. You opted out of the town discourse! You didn't even push cases or votes (and you're only questionably doing that now), you talked about the "town atmosphere" and basically lollygagged. Anyone who reads your filter will say "wow bh is so sexy, so amazing, why haven't we lynched testsubj yet"


Its almost like had more time unable to play this game than able to play it since it started.



Why can't you just have a level-headed discussion with people? Are you that full of yourself that you have to insult every newbie you interact with?


I don't insult you at all in that quote. It's literal fact that you have been useless, and that you did avoid talking about anything of substance. That's just how it is, man. That's the truth. Unless you find me complimenting myself insulting, in which case I say: I'm just too sexy not to call myself sexy. I hope that you don't mind.
Politics is the Mind-Killer
Wade Fell
Profile Joined February 2013
United States501 Posts
March 20 2013 23:34 GMT
#1868
On March 21 2013 08:30 TestSubject893 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2013 08:29 Coagulation wrote:
I wouldnt mind a TestSubject893 Lynch. hes pretty fucking useless.


Whats the verdict on those time stamps from VE? Are they tampered with or is it just TLs fucked up time system?


If you want to lynch people for being in the fucking hospital go right ahead.


Ah yes, the "out of game excuse" for being absent. Will ignore.
Politics is the Mind-Killer
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22104 Posts
March 20 2013 23:37 GMT
#1869
Don't think TestSubject is scum, I like his early contributions. But I agree that the read isn't too reliable cause I have to go with so few, that only means that he has just commited himself to posting more in the future.

Please stop spamming the thread and put huge quotes in spoilers thanks. You doing conversation like that only makes you both look like idiots and doesn't get anyone lynched.
/moderation

While I think VE is 3p by now I think we should try to hit scum today, but w/e
TestSubject893
Profile Joined September 2009
United States774 Posts
March 20 2013 23:40 GMT
#1870
BH is trying to make this about my character somehow and its not. Its about him coming to top scum reads with absolutely no backing. He has no response my point and instead resorted to personal attacks against me to change the topic. I should have avoided the shit throwing fight I knew was coming, but the fact that I didn't doesn't change my point. Wade Fell is scum
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
March 20 2013 23:41 GMT
#1871
On March 21 2013 08:30 TestSubject893 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2013 08:29 Coagulation wrote:
I wouldnt mind a TestSubject893 Lynch. hes pretty fucking useless.


Whats the verdict on those time stamps from VE? Are they tampered with or is it just TLs fucked up time system?


If you want to lynch people for being in the fucking hospital go right ahead.


OH OK SCUM NEVER GO TO HOSPITAL GEE WHAT WAS I THINKING.
TestSubject893
Profile Joined September 2009
United States774 Posts
March 20 2013 23:42 GMT
#1872
On March 21 2013 08:41 Coagulation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2013 08:30 TestSubject893 wrote:
On March 21 2013 08:29 Coagulation wrote:
I wouldnt mind a TestSubject893 Lynch. hes pretty fucking useless.


Whats the verdict on those time stamps from VE? Are they tampered with or is it just TLs fucked up time system?


If you want to lynch people for being in the fucking hospital go right ahead.


OH OK SCUM NEVER GO TO HOSPITAL GEE WHAT WAS I THINKING.


Well if we were gonna lynch people for not contributing you'd be at the top of list so I assumed that's not what you meant.
DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
March 20 2013 23:44 GMT
#1873
On March 21 2013 07:59 TestSubject893 wrote:
I want to apologize for my inactivity. Since I was last active I was shortly in the hospital and had to unexpectedly drive my sister across the state. I've got some things to say after my 30-page-read-a-thon.



1. So like 30 bajillion people claimed. WoS did so in just about the scummiest way possible and if he is town needs to think a little bit before acting that way next time. It seems to me we have no choice but to believe him for now, but if a scum were going to fake claim to save themselves WoS's claim is about as good as it gets for scum.



2. VE was on the scum list for me before any of this stuff went down, but something about his interactions with "The Mirror" just doesn't add up. I think the most likely scenario if that he is some form of anti-town and we've caught him in a lie. No matter what's actually going on, I don't think we have much choice but to kill him today.

##Vote: VisceraEyes



3. I find the fact that my inactivity caused BH to be less suspicious of me a huge scum tell for him. All game long I was in his top 2 for scum and then all of the sudden the time comes that he has to justify his reasoning and I'm no longer there. Its clear that he chose his targets before he came up with his reasoning and this makes no sense as town. BH is scum. Town BH is too talented to peg someone as scum for disagreeing with them on a single point during day 1.

I'm sure BH will rebut this point by pointing out how he's listed me since then and tell us all about how my inactivity is scummy, but none of those are excuses for having me in his top 2 scum all of D1 without being able to back it up. If he were a sincere town player he'd have been able to make a case on me to back those feelings up from D1 alone, but he couldn't even muster a paragraph.


1. - WoS's claim is the scummiest claim possible. 2 sentences later, it is about as good as it gets for scum. Either we have two very different interpretations as to what those things mean, or you just said that WoS's claim is both very bad and very good, barely a breath apart. Not to mention the ridiculously begrudging language you are using to describe believing the claim. Strike 1.

2. - VE was on the scum list? Go into that more please. What originally caught your eye about VE? Did you have an opinion on cosmic's case? Who else besides VE and BH are on this scumlist? Does it bother you that the person you are voting for was tunneling your most consistent scumread (BH) for the better part of a day?

You seem to agree with me about 'The Mirror' not adding up. Why would you state your 'most likely' scenario without even referring to the extended conversation VE and I just had about possible explanations. Again you use the phrase 'no choice' as if you want no part in the blame for the VE lynch if it happens. YOU THINK that the most likely scenario has VE as an anti-town role, YOU cast your vote. Justify it, explain your logic, lead us in your thinking. If you have a most likely scenario, that means you considered less likely scenarios. What were they? by what criteria did you dismiss them? Strike 2.

3. - You have a huge scum tell on BH, this scum tell is that he hasn't been consistently referring to you in his top scum reads while you essentially haven't been playing the game. This is your only reasoning. This isn't a case, this doesn't convince anyone you are right that are not already thinking BH is scum. You want to take the firm stance on BH, but you don't want to do the work, that is scummy. Strike 3.

Vote: TestSubject893

PS. Sorry to hear about your RL issues, but you are scum.
Guts? Determination? $5?
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
March 20 2013 23:45 GMT
#1874
On March 21 2013 08:42 TestSubject893 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2013 08:41 Coagulation wrote:
On March 21 2013 08:30 TestSubject893 wrote:
On March 21 2013 08:29 Coagulation wrote:
I wouldnt mind a TestSubject893 Lynch. hes pretty fucking useless.


Whats the verdict on those time stamps from VE? Are they tampered with or is it just TLs fucked up time system?


If you want to lynch people for being in the fucking hospital go right ahead.


OH OK SCUM NEVER GO TO HOSPITAL GEE WHAT WAS I THINKING.


Well if we were gonna lynch people for not contributing you'd be at the top of list so I assumed that's not what you meant.



ok thats fine but mark my fucking words If your scum and you played the "i cant contribute cause im in the hospital" card then your probably the biggest dickhead I have ever seen in a mafia game. If your not scum then get well soon babycakes.
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
March 20 2013 23:48 GMT
#1875
DoYouHas For some reason you come in thread puke out a bunch of shit everyone wants to hear and then your gone again and no one fucking cares.
TranceStorm
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
1616 Posts
March 20 2013 23:50 GMT
#1876
I think the case against VE is pretty weak. First off, its pretty reasonable to assume that he is the Vet (at the moment). I highly doubt that mafia only had one kill last night given that the number of players in the game. Hence, we can trust VE on that claim there. If the night kills are consistently 1 for the next couple of days, then we have a problem.

As per the '3rd party thing', I find it difficult to imagine VE exposing everything if he were indeed a 3rd party. Let's say for a moment that VE had accepted the '3rd party offer', there would be no need to expose the fact that there is indeed a 3rd party! Why on earth would he do that? It doesn't make sense from a 3rd party perspective! It would be far better for a 3rd party player to simply fake some logs, say that the 'Mirror' player was being deliberately obtuse and let everything blow over.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22104 Posts
March 20 2013 23:54 GMT
#1877
What I miss there, trance, is that you don't say who you want lynched instead then while I'm constantly poking people to tell me exactly that (preferably regarding my choices obviously).
TestSubject893
Profile Joined September 2009
United States774 Posts
March 20 2013 23:54 GMT
#1878
On March 21 2013 08:44 DoYouHas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2013 07:59 TestSubject893 wrote:
I want to apologize for my inactivity. Since I was last active I was shortly in the hospital and had to unexpectedly drive my sister across the state. I've got some things to say after my 30-page-read-a-thon.



1. So like 30 bajillion people claimed. WoS did so in just about the scummiest way possible and if he is town needs to think a little bit before acting that way next time. It seems to me we have no choice but to believe him for now, but if a scum were going to fake claim to save themselves WoS's claim is about as good as it gets for scum.



2. VE was on the scum list for me before any of this stuff went down, but something about his interactions with "The Mirror" just doesn't add up. I think the most likely scenario if that he is some form of anti-town and we've caught him in a lie. No matter what's actually going on, I don't think we have much choice but to kill him today.

##Vote: VisceraEyes



3. I find the fact that my inactivity caused BH to be less suspicious of me a huge scum tell for him. All game long I was in his top 2 for scum and then all of the sudden the time comes that he has to justify his reasoning and I'm no longer there. Its clear that he chose his targets before he came up with his reasoning and this makes no sense as town. BH is scum. Town BH is too talented to peg someone as scum for disagreeing with them on a single point during day 1.

I'm sure BH will rebut this point by pointing out how he's listed me since then and tell us all about how my inactivity is scummy, but none of those are excuses for having me in his top 2 scum all of D1 without being able to back it up. If he were a sincere town player he'd have been able to make a case on me to back those feelings up from D1 alone, but he couldn't even muster a paragraph.


1. - WoS's claim is the scummiest claim possible. 2 sentences later, it is about as good as it gets for scum. Either we have two very different interpretations as to what those things mean, or you just said that WoS's claim is both very bad and very good, barely a breath apart. Not to mention the ridiculously begrudging language you are using to describe believing the claim. Strike 1.

Apparently my wording is unclear. "WoS's claim is the scummiest claim possible." and "as good as it gets for scum." both mean the same thing to me. WoS's claim was summy. I use begrudging language, because it reflects my begrudging acceptance.... I'm not sure any of this counts against me in any way....

2. - VE was on the scum list? Go into that more please. What originally caught your eye about VE? Did you have an opinion on cosmic's case? Who else besides VE and BH are on this scumlist? Does it bother you that the person you are voting for was tunneling your most consistent scumread (BH) for the better part of a day?

You seem to agree with me about 'The Mirror' not adding up. Why would you state your 'most likely' scenario without even referring to the extended conversation VE and I just had about possible explanations. Again you use the phrase 'no choice' as if you want no part in the blame for the VE lynch if it happens. YOU THINK that the most likely scenario has VE as an anti-town role, YOU cast your vote. Justify it, explain your logic, lead us in your thinking. If you have a most likely scenario, that means you considered less likely scenarios. What were they? by what criteria did you dismiss them? Strike 2.


I talk about this a here:
On March 18 2013 12:52 TestSubject893 wrote:
VE made himself look pretty bad and has moved himself to a solid scumread in my book with his comments about town not being able to vote to influence behavior. I refuse to believe he has such a fundamental misunderstanding of the game that he believes that to be true.


It took him 40 pages to respond to DP's repeated questioning about that post and his logic has been inconsistent throughout the game.

3. - You have a huge scum tell on BH, this scum tell is that he hasn't been consistently referring to you in his top scum reads while you essentially haven't been playing the game. This is your only reasoning. This isn't a case, this doesn't convince anyone you are right that are not already thinking BH is scum. You want to take the firm stance on BH, but you don't want to do the work, that is scummy. Strike 3.


No, the post I reference happened during night one. I had not been inactive very long at that point. And even if I had, my point still stands. He had me as his top read day 1 and can't justify it.
TranceStorm
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
1616 Posts
March 20 2013 23:56 GMT
#1879
Now as per the WoS reveal that he is the rolecop. I don't still don't trust him, but this means that I should vote elsewhere today. If he truly is the rolecop, then the mafia cannot afford to let him live in the next couple of days.

Incidentally, this means that I was completely wrong on TPS, who cannot be scum, given that:
a) if WoS is the cop, then obviously TPS is town and
b).if WoS is lying, TPS was one of the first to jump onto WoS, which I doubt mafia would do so quickly.
glurio
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany597 Posts
March 20 2013 23:56 GMT
#1880
Ok i'll go with my gut feel and vote for Mocsta.

I thought about the VE 3rd party situation and i can't convince myself he's scum.
In my eyes most likely "the Mirror" is a scum mason and his line (3rd party join my cult and i'll get stronger) is just some well thought out scam to confuse town.
No clue why he accepted the claim, that is the part that does not make sense,

His vet claim seems legit, since (setup speculation) scum has most likely 2 KP with this many players and no one else claimed getting hit. (or saved, or jailed, or blocked)

Since lynch time is really terrible for europeans (4 AM i think), i'll vote for mocsta and go to sleep.

##Vote: Mocsta
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